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Snowden has publicly claimed he will be tortured or killed. Holder has assured Russia he won't [View all] Recursion Jul 2013 OP

Speaking of crazy, it will be fun to see how many respond to your OP Vinnie From Indy Jul 2013 #1

Holder won't ? warrant46 Jul 2013 #29

Our government since 2001 has not been very above board and transparent. Cleita Jul 2013 #2

And I think that's crazy Recursion Jul 2013 #3

You can see the future? Cleita Jul 2013 #5

No, he really won't Recursion Jul 2013 #9

Here's the difference. Paranoia is about fear of something that doesn't exist, like we are suddenly Cleita Jul 2013 #16

+100 FirstLight Jul 2013 #19

Please to read: Fire Walk With Me Jul 2013 #43

Did you mean to reply to my post? Recursion Jul 2013 #44

Just read the information and if you're open-minded, the rest of the article at the link. Fire Walk With Me Jul 2013 #49

I've read it several times this month. Please elaborate Recursion Jul 2013 #50

Most obviously, you haven't. Giving up as those who reject facts high-five. n/t Fire Walk With Me Jul 2013 #53

Glad to know you can't back up your claim Recursion Jul 2013 #54

You're going on Ignore because your "communication" style IS recursion. Nothing you do not want Fire Walk With Me Jul 2013 #62

Having personally serve on a jury for a federal trial I know they have trials in federal courts. Thinkingabout Jul 2013 #63

Do you think he would be free to speak to the public? reusrename Jul 2013 #65

He would face criminal penalties for disclosing classified info Recursion Jul 2013 #71

I guess you don't know what a gag order is. reusrename Jul 2013 #77

I do know what gag orders are and who Sibel Edmonds is Recursion Jul 2013 #93

Why are you being so cute about this? reusrename Jul 2013 #94

Edmonds is still allowed to speak out. For that matter she told everything to the press years ago Recursion Jul 2013 #95

If Bush and Cheney were put on trial, I might believe you. Otherwise, your mere assertion HardTimes99 Jul 2013 #66

Nor has it been too civilized to torture and assassinate non-combatants. Tierra_y_Libertad Jul 2013 #4

The history is there and cannot be denied. eom Cleita Jul 2013 #6

Hell, it's not even "history". The force feeding and drone wars continue. Tierra_y_Libertad Jul 2013 #10

Yes it's very much the present. Cleita Jul 2013 #12

Funny that. 99Forever Jul 2013 #7

There's no way he's getting executed or tortured. Besides, the media will be JaneyVee Jul 2013 #8

Until they are no longer interested and looking at something else.eom Cleita Jul 2013 #11

Then The Blame Is With Snowden's Attorneys... KharmaTrain Jul 2013 #18

I have thought for a while now there was a relationship somehow with libertarians, probably will Thinkingabout Jul 2013 #36

A Bigger Irony... KharmaTrain Jul 2013 #55

Good thoughts, perhaps all the Snowden fans should show transparency. Thinkingabout Jul 2013 #58

An Exercise In Futility... KharmaTrain Jul 2013 #61

I am all for investigating the crimes Snowden has committed, whether or not he acted alone or is Thinkingabout Jul 2013 #64

I Want Justice... KharmaTrain Jul 2013 #68

A trial? RobertEarl Jul 2013 #82

Holder was wrong to absolve Bushco and expect to be treated as if Bush had Bluenorthwest Jul 2013 #13

Holder legally represented some in the Death Squad truedelphi Jul 2013 #74

uh huh. And who is to say Snowden wouldn't end up "suicided" in his jail cell quinnox Jul 2013 #14

Can always give him a new Mercedes and run him into a tree. Downwinder Jul 2013 #22

The US government had no problem torturing once and no torturers have bee prosecuted Fumesucker Jul 2013 #15

Did the new talking point just come out? This is now about not prosecuting Cheney? Recursion Jul 2013 #17

Yoo didn't answer my question Fumesucker Jul 2013 #21

I could care less about Snowden; I have said multiple times I hope he quietly gets asylum somewhere Recursion Jul 2013 #24

Laws are meaningless unless some effort, however slight, is made to enforce them Fumesucker Jul 2013 #25

AYFKM? FirstLight Jul 2013 #47

totally! FirstLight Jul 2013 #23

+1000 Cleita Jul 2013 #28

Russia is Good, St snowden says so. "Bad USA Cha Jul 2013 #20

K&R. Best of luck to you. They really come out of the woodwork when a thread like this is started. AllINeedIsCoffee Jul 2013 #26

This is hilarious Cali_Democrat Jul 2013 #27

The problem isn't Holder. It's our reputation. davidn3600 Jul 2013 #30

We ARE the biggest bully on the playground. bunnies Jul 2013 #79

Well RobertEarl Jul 2013 #87

Holder must be the one in the wrong!!!!!!11 treestar Jul 2013 #31

it's torture to see Putin try to show off his manliness... Whisp Jul 2013 #69

Depends what you mean by torture. LittleBlue Jul 2013 #32

+1000 nt FirstLight Jul 2013 #52

When the worst about America isn't true BeyondGeography Jul 2013 #33

And the US Navy claimed to have been fired upon by the Vietnamese Navy... cherokeeprogressive Jul 2013 #34

Holder may have said that, but... TheProgressive Jul 2013 #35

Both Obama and Holder have said that order would be illegal unless he were actively in arms... Recursion Jul 2013 #37

Obama has claimed the right to kill anybody anytime for reasons he deems... TheProgressive Jul 2013 #39

Wrong. Rand Paul asked and Holder answered Recursion Jul 2013 #40

Denying it is all the proof needed that it must be true, Progressive dog Jul 2013 #38

Three years of solitary confinement for PFC Manning before a hint of a trial. Fire Walk With Me Jul 2013 #41

The judge agreed it was too restrictive, and he has been in GP for years Recursion Jul 2013 #42

Careful. That really really sounds like tacit approval. But wait, there's more! Fire Walk With Me Jul 2013 #45

This message was self-deleted by its author Recursion Jul 2013 #46

Paulbot? You're a jerk to get personal. Can't address a single issue I've presented? Call names. Fire Walk With Me Jul 2013 #48

Sorry. I was out of line. Recursion Jul 2013 #60

EXACTLY!!! FirstLight Jul 2013 #56

That is utterly wrong--he was in Quantico for 8 months. Quantico is single-cell, only. He was then msanthrope Jul 2013 #109

Just another lie by the Lie and Spy Snowden, we have already established he lies on regular basis. Thinkingabout Jul 2013 #51

as long as there is a promise of no torture or death penalty I cannot imagine why ANYONE would Douglas Carpenter Jul 2013 #57

Our country shouldn't have to make assurances. It should be assumed. backscatter712 Jul 2013 #59

Can people who believe the shit like this that spews from that Snowden douchebag baldguy Jul 2013 #67

Does Holder admit that waterboarding is torture, and that the US has tortured other captives? quakerboy Jul 2013 #70

Eric Holder - Death Squad defender - truedelphi Jul 2013 #76

I hope he gets a guarantee that Russia won't too... Historic NY Jul 2013 #72

Homewardbound with Greenwald Iliyah Jul 2013 #73

he knows he won't be tortured arely staircase Jul 2013 #75

Yes. bunnies Jul 2013 #78

If you were Snowden RobertEarl Jul 2013 #80

I f I were Snowden arely staircase Jul 2013 #81

Eh? RobertEarl Jul 2013 #83

a poem by: arely staircase arely staircase Jul 2013 #84

He doesn't have time to worry RobertEarl Jul 2013 #86

traitors arely staircase Jul 2013 #88

So you would just lynch? RobertEarl Jul 2013 #89

fools arely staircase Jul 2013 #90

Sounds like babbling RobertEarl Jul 2013 #92

I'd just like to comment on the tone of this thread, which was Bluenorthwest Jul 2013 #85

The US does not torture. They use "enhanced interrogation techniques". Incitatus Jul 2013 #91

Not for several years now (nt) Recursion Jul 2013 #96

Saying that torture doesn't occur is extremely disconnected from reality Corruption Inc Jul 2013 #97

Where is the US currently torturing people? Recursion Jul 2013 #100

The UN says Manning's treatment is at least near torture. former9thward Jul 2013 #106

No judge said it was OK. Recursion Jul 2013 #107

Years ago? former9thward Jul 2013 #108

Two years ago. That's "years". Recursion Jul 2013 #110

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Killed no, tortured...oh yeah that will happen. Rex Jul 2013 #99

Holder isn't to be believed 99th_Monkey Jul 2013 #101

And we're back in Paul land Recursion Jul 2013 #102

I agree that it is ironic 99th_Monkey Jul 2013 #103

you keep using that word... FirstLight Jul 2013 #104

Anyone who axiomatically distrusts the government Recursion Jul 2013 #105

Putin will keep him as a bargaining chip customerserviceguy Jul 2013 #111