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Response to intaglio (Reply #22)

Tue Jul 23, 2013, 11:43 AM

23. I think, though, you are missing the point

As far as all of those being able to be used against someone - sure, but you have to go through the courts to get them and show cause (ie, they can't just use those sources without a reason).

The easier it is for the authorities to monitor you directly the less they have to show cause since they are the source. Let me give you an example from recent news events:

Black boxes in cars. You can tie those into the government and if you go 1mph over the speed limit you get a ticket (you are breaking the law). There is a good, and recent, article on them here: http://www.nytimes.com/2013/07/22/business/black-boxes-in-cars-a-question-of-privacy.html?pagewanted=all

And they are not always accurate (see the above article).

Low cost drones patrolling the highways night and day can tell the speed of a car as well. This will not only create a huge revenue stream for cities but, as I noted before, could well be used to selectively harass a person (which, again, as noted before is not something that is cost efficient with a helicopter - from fuel, to crews, to insurance, etc).

Drones can be useful for helping find lost people, aiding the police on raids by monitoring a home from above, etc - so I don't object to them having them in such cases. But with anything we need to be wary of the how and why of what they do.

And given stories I have posted in the past many times we damn well have a right to be suspicious of intent.

Let's be clear on one thing - people break laws every day. Hell, we don't even know all of the laws (try reading the ohio revised code some time, I have spent hours during so). A personal scenario as an example:

My mom dropped me off at the creek so I could go fishing (many years back). I had two poles and was baiting one (bottom fishing) mom cast one out for me and decided to have a quick smoke before she left. I cast mine out and we stood there talking and the game warden showed up. Gave her a ticket (over 100 bucks) for fishing without a license. He had been sitting under the overpass at i-270 by the creek and said he saw her cast it out.

Technically I guess he was correct, but all she was doing was getting my line in before leaving. I could see it if I had a lure on and she cranked it back in I suppose.

Add some drones into our daily lives patrolling the skies everywhere and the simplest of things we do is going to be scrutinized and turned into cash for the city/state (at the very least).

Driving down the highway and a piece of paper slips out your window? That's a fine. Drop your speed a few seconds after passing a new speed limit sign? A fine.

The problem is trust and abuse of power. And being an ex cop I can tell you there were more than a few folks in power I knew that abused their power daily (and the things they did? Well, they got away with a lot - although one of the directors did get jail time most got away with things you and I would not - but then we don't get to watch them and every move they make. Cops and politicians take care of their own more times than not, and I have personally benefited from that on several occasions).

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