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groovedaddy

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Mon Feb 20, 2012, 01:31 PM Feb 2012

Is there a "right to lie?" [View all]

XAVIER ALVAREZ is a liar. Even the brief filed on his behalf in the United States Supreme Court says as much: “Xavier Alvarez lied.” It informs us that he has told tall tales about playing hockey for the Detroit Red Wings, being married to a Mexican starlet and rescuing the American ambassador during the Iranian hostage crisis. But as the brief reminds us, “none of those lies were crimes.”

Another of his falsehoods, however, did violate the law. In 2007, while introducing himself at a meeting of a California water board, he said that he was a retired Marine who had been awarded the Medal of Honor (both lies). He was quickly exposed as a phony and pilloried in the community and press as an “idiot” and the “ultimate slime.”

But his censure did not end there. The federal government prosecuted him under the Stolen Valor Act, which prohibits falsely claiming to have been awarded a military medal, with an enhanced penalty (up to a year in prison) for claiming to have received the Medal of Honor. Mr. Alvarez was convicted but appealed to the United States Court of Appeals for the Ninth Circuit, which held that the act violated the First Amendment.

The government has taken the case to the Supreme Court, which is scheduled to hear arguments this week. The question before the court is not whether there is a constitutional “right” to lie. Rather, it’s a question about the scope of the government’s power over individuals — whether the government can criminalize saying untrue things about oneself even if there is no harm to any identifiable person, no intent to cheat anyone or gain unfair advantage, no receipt of anything of value and no interference with the administration of justice or any other compelling government interest.

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/02/20/opinion/is-there-a-right-to-lie.html?_r=1&nl=todaysheadlines&emc=thab1

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Is there a "right to lie?" [View all] groovedaddy Feb 2012 OP
Someone who purports to be a Medal of Honor winner does MADem Feb 2012 #1
Only if he had filed for those benefits MattBaggins Feb 2012 #4
I think arrest is over the top in any instance. MADem Feb 2012 #5
I wonder how many actually were there who lie about their experiences? The most recent example groovedaddy Feb 2012 #10
It's witnesses and superiors who make the MOH happen--the servicemember doesn't put themselves up MADem Feb 2012 #11
MOH nominations are rigorously vetted pinboy3niner Feb 2012 #12
Some interesting facts on the MOH groovedaddy Feb 2012 #13
That shows the reform, 100 years ago, to rigorous examination of nominees pinboy3niner Feb 2012 #14
This message was self-deleted by its author Tesha Feb 2012 #2
Black programs are lies? customerserviceguy Feb 2012 #6
This message was self-deleted by its author Tesha Feb 2012 #8
I do, I just had to have a bit of fun there! n/t customerserviceguy Feb 2012 #9
Yes, there is. Some specific lies to obtain advantage may be forbidden by law. 2ndAmForComputers Feb 2012 #3
Lies that are not told to defraud or defame are free speech. NYC Liberal Feb 2012 #7
not if someone else has a 'material interest' in the truth of the statement flexnor Feb 2012 #15
So, what actual harm did the guy do? Tierra_y_Libertad Feb 2012 #16
Which I guess is the op-ed writers point: this should not be against the law. n.t groovedaddy Feb 2012 #17
Fox News went to court on this very issue and the court ruled they did indeed Bandit Feb 2012 #18
They wouldn't be the propaganda machine they are without that ruling! n.t groovedaddy Feb 2012 #19
it should not be illegal, per se flexnor Feb 2012 #20
You know the meme malaise Feb 2012 #21
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