In the discussion thread: Here Come the Drone Wars in America -- The Public vs. Overzealous Police [View all]
Response to Pholus (Reply #3)
Mon Jul 22, 2013, 12:00 PM
intaglio (8,170 posts)
4. Either typical confussion from someone who has no idea
or a deliberate attempt to cloud the matter by classing Predator drones with all other semi-autonomous machines
Firstly, Predator drones are not what is being discussed, they are impervious to the primitive weapons available to the general public and are not used in the role being discussed. This is partly because they are too big and expensive
Secondly, the "drones" that are being discussed are small, no more than a meter across (or 2 meters long for aquatic data collectors), and are comparatively cheap, they need not even be airborne. They are here, now, and in the hands of many, many people; hobbyists, photographers, environmental scientists, marine biologists, architects, engineers. These machines cannot be uninvented nor can they be banned without infringing on the freedoms of amateurs who can build them from scratch as well as researchers who find them essential for their work and soldiers who are, probably, already using them for reconnaissance.
I used the word Luddite deliberately because, although they were individually justified, the Luddites could not see how mechanisation improved the life of all. The Luddites would have all cloth hand hand spun and weaved or knitted. The fabrics you wear every day are cheaper, of finer quality and wear better precisely because the Luddites failed in their aims. BTW don't try and distract by mentioning sweat shops in Bangladesh because even if the industry was moved back "onshore" and prices quadrupled, you would still be able to afford more than one pair of trousers or a shirt a year.
What I object too is people wailing about how life was once simpler and wishing to return to whatever golden age they regard as ideal.
Well, sorry but life was never "simpler" and people have never minded their own business. If you truly believe that then you ignore the vast swathes of data collected about ordinary people by the FBI and SOE/CIA since their inception. Indeed the security and police services of all countries have always done such gathering and some were more effective than others.
Too many people on this board exhibit real shock when they realise that what they believe is private is not whereas others know there has never been such privacy. If you walk outside then you are instantly subject to surveillance be it by friends, neighbours, security cameras, geographic and geological mapping, dash cams (private and police) even satellites.
The current attempt to instill panic about "scary drones" is similar to the nonsensical paranoia about internet privacy. Sorry, but I have been using the internet in the region of 25 years and have known for all that time that it has never been private. In the same way I have known for the whole of my adult life that once outside my door I have no reason to expect or receive privacy.
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