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calimary

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75. "Swallow your fucking pride and walk away." If only.
Sun Jul 21, 2013, 07:34 PM
Jul 2013

There's the problem. THIS ^^^^^^^ !!!

Any wonder why so many of us (probably vast majority female) here on DU and elsewhere immediately go to the gun-as-penis analogy. Can't help it. It just seems incredibly and glaringly obvious to me. Overcompensation. And in Zimbo's case, when you have a soft, flabby, reckless, cowardly weasel who claims it's he himself who's screaming like a little girl when claiming he was in fear of his life, clings to that frickin' gun, has a record (unfortunately not presented in court) of using brute force and/or brute strength to "settle" disputes or assert dominance, and plays pretend-cop when he's found unacceptable as real police material... Can't overpower an opponent with the MMA coaching on which he's spent HOURS, what was it - three days a week? What's he doing in all that time, drawing pictures of it? And he can't overpower an opponent and hold him there while waiting for police - he has to settle it once and for all, with a totally arbitrary excuse, banking on "it's his word against mine, and dead men tell no tales"?

I mean, think about it. Where else could you go to try to explain that, than directly to pathological, anti-social, and in this case CRIMINAL overcompensation?

Mind you, I AM NO SHRINK!

Even so, I think this guy is such a psychological MESS that IMO he can very much indeed be expected to strike again. He won't be able to stop himself, because he can't help it. It's just part of the genuinely damaged being he presently is. I don't know if he got that way specifically by external treatment or factors not in his control when he was younger, or whether that's just what's been in him from the beginning. But I think he's gonna get himself in trouble again. Just like O.J. did. O.J. beat the rap, too, but he's still gonna stay in prison to the end of his days. Because he proved to be the kind of individual who either can't, or won't, stay out of trouble. Either within himself or because he's always drawn to troublesome people or conditions. And, same as with O.J., at least before his last misadventure in Las Vegas not too many years back, I suspect Zimbo has a sense of renewed and enhanced entitlement. A jury just said what he did was okay. Not a problem at all. We'll buy the "self-defense" thing. Free to go, son. Nothing more to see here. Everyone move along now. Seems to me that also enhances his chances of being involved in another calamity. He's now been shown that he can do something like that and get a pass. I can imagine feeling pretty damn cocky after coming out on top of that one. And that can make you get sloppy - and fuck up.

It is probably true that Blacks aren't successful with SYG. dkf Jul 2013 #1
Trayvon Martin shouldn't have had an unfair verdict against HIM. CakeGrrl Jul 2013 #2
You don't know what the outcome would have been had it continued. dkf Jul 2013 #5
Apparently, in your world, only armed people should be allowed to defend themselves... Humanist_Activist Jul 2013 #7
That is wat I drew from the post. The question that looms and remain unanswered by the bluestate10 Jul 2013 #15
According to some here black people have no right to protect ourselves from harm. JRLeft Jul 2013 #36
Being followed, in and of itself, does not constitute a grave threat Flatulo Jul 2013 #65
He did. If he had grabbed the gun and shot Zimmerman... dkf Jul 2013 #26
So basically who wins is innocent? n/t Humanist_Activist Jul 2013 #28
In a fight over life or death, and by law, yes. dkf Jul 2013 #30
Where was the life or death struggle here, Zimmerman got a bloody nose and scratches... Humanist_Activist Jul 2013 #37
Medieval. Might makes right. yardwork Jul 2013 #64
if! heaven05 Jul 2013 #46
Hogwash Major Nikon Jul 2013 #12
Trayvon had the right to use deadly force to protect HIMSELF. kestrel91316 Jul 2013 #54
Sorry, Zman caused this, the right wing legislature's gun laws allowed it, a bigoted jury Hoyt Jul 2013 #3
Exactly etherealtruth Jul 2013 #19
That is ridiculous. All states have a right to self defense in their laws. dkf Jul 2013 #27
Yes, but they do not have the right to kill if there are other solutions. Mass Jul 2013 #31
What other solution was there? dkf Jul 2013 #32
you completely disgust me CatWoman Jul 2013 #40
my heaven05 Jul 2013 #47
+100 billh58 Jul 2013 #50
Bingo. That person disgusts most of DU most of the time. kestrel91316 Jul 2013 #55
If you need to attack me personally, I guess that means you can't refute the assertion. dkf Jul 2013 #59
+1000 Mass Jul 2013 #60
Here's the problem metalbot Jul 2013 #58
yeah heaven05 Jul 2013 #82
Under the exact same conditions, except that Z was Black and Martin was White/Peruvian... MrScorpio Jul 2013 #4
No...this discussion would not be even taking place HipChick Jul 2013 #6
And why isn't THAT the inequity. dkf Jul 2013 #17
I would have made the same judgment given the evidence as presented. dkf Jul 2013 #13
Exclude yourself from the jury... You weren't there in the first place MrScorpio Jul 2013 #16
Do I know how racist people in Florida are? dkf Jul 2013 #21
Well, isn't that a tacit admission that Zimmerman's verdict was the result of a racist perspective? MrScorpio Jul 2013 #34
No. The way they apply it towards blacks is racist. dkf Jul 2013 #35
Look, you can't have it both ways MrScorpio Jul 2013 #38
The Zimmerman verdict was the correct one. dkf Jul 2013 #39
I'm saying that a Manslaughter conviction would have been appropriate regardless of the shooter MrScorpio Jul 2013 #42
No. What does empathy with Trayvon have to do with the... dkf Jul 2013 #51
If you don't understand how any of this matters... MrScorpio Jul 2013 #57
Honestly you make no sense to me whatsoever. dkf Jul 2013 #63
catwoman heaven05 Jul 2013 #70
??? heaven05 Jul 2013 #48
You distort the OP's message. The message was that the law that allowed Zimmerman to bluestate10 Jul 2013 #10
There wasn't anything illegal in what was done prior to the confrontation. dkf Jul 2013 #14
Again, you are mixed up. bluestate10 Jul 2013 #20
No. You can't beat up someone for following you. dkf Jul 2013 #22
Actually, under "Stand Your Ground', you CAN beat up someone for following you, if you ET Awful Jul 2013 #52
It doesn't matter what YOU believe, it's what a 'reasonable person' would have believed. Flatulo Jul 2013 #69
he heaven05 Jul 2013 #49
In the 10 years I've been here independentpiney Jul 2013 #25
interesting AND disgusting CatWoman Jul 2013 #41
You are correct. That person has NEVER taken the liberal view of a single kestrel91316 Jul 2013 #56
It ain't MIRT. Apparently the admins think it's all fine. Kingofalldems Jul 2013 #61
Truthfully azurnoir Jul 2013 #66
I have to wonder if there's some large donations behind that star of theirs independentpiney Jul 2013 #68
maybe heaven05 Jul 2013 #43
Blacks who don't SYG also often imprisoned. Blacks who *anything* often imprisoned. cthulu2016 Jul 2013 #8
There is an economic component. bluestate10 Jul 2013 #24
30% to 3% leftyohiolib Jul 2013 #9
the entire criminal justice system is deeply racist limpyhobbler Jul 2013 #11
Exactly...anyone who is in denial of that HipChick Jul 2013 #18
+1 gollygee Jul 2013 #23
The Florida billh58 Jul 2013 #67
The root is the system is racist and black folks are more likely to be under the hammer in any TheKentuckian Jul 2013 #29
In May Florida (surprise!) Marissa Alexander got 20 years for firing a warning shot into the ceiling B Stieg Jul 2013 #33
tell heaven05 Jul 2013 #45
I hear you. I'm starting to spot DU's "Cracker Trolls" too B Stieg Jul 2013 #71
the heaven05 Jul 2013 #44
Zimmermans life wasn't being threatened Peaceplace80 Jul 2013 #53
See, this is where I get really confused. calimary Jul 2013 #62
The problem with SYG laws... Flatulo Jul 2013 #72
"Swallow your fucking pride and walk away." If only. calimary Jul 2013 #75
I heaven05 Jul 2013 #81
My personal take on it is what would have been legal for a policeman jimboss Jul 2013 #76
Welcome to DU, jimboss. calimary Jul 2013 #80
What's baffled me about this whole case from the get-go, is that Zimmerman set into Flatulo Jul 2013 #73
K and R BainsBane Jul 2013 #74
Message auto-removed Name removed Jul 2013 #77
We have a tradition here on DU of posting links for stories that we refer to in our posts MrScorpio Jul 2013 #78
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