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Flatulo

(5,005 posts)
72. The problem with SYG laws...
Sun Jul 21, 2013, 05:52 PM
Jul 2013

Two guys get into a fight over a parking space. Both are armed. Each is getting in some good punches, and each is getting concerned that he might lose the fight and get his ass kicked.

Whoever draws first and kills the other can righteously claim self defense. It comes down to a quick-draw contest.

The SYG laws as written are stupid. I have no problems with people legitimately defending themselves from getting beaten to death by a gang, but it has to be made more clear that you have an obligation to DE-escalate if humanly possible. Swallow your fucking pride and walk away.

It is probably true that Blacks aren't successful with SYG. dkf Jul 2013 #1
Trayvon Martin shouldn't have had an unfair verdict against HIM. CakeGrrl Jul 2013 #2
You don't know what the outcome would have been had it continued. dkf Jul 2013 #5
Apparently, in your world, only armed people should be allowed to defend themselves... Humanist_Activist Jul 2013 #7
That is wat I drew from the post. The question that looms and remain unanswered by the bluestate10 Jul 2013 #15
According to some here black people have no right to protect ourselves from harm. JRLeft Jul 2013 #36
Being followed, in and of itself, does not constitute a grave threat Flatulo Jul 2013 #65
He did. If he had grabbed the gun and shot Zimmerman... dkf Jul 2013 #26
So basically who wins is innocent? n/t Humanist_Activist Jul 2013 #28
In a fight over life or death, and by law, yes. dkf Jul 2013 #30
Where was the life or death struggle here, Zimmerman got a bloody nose and scratches... Humanist_Activist Jul 2013 #37
Medieval. Might makes right. yardwork Jul 2013 #64
if! heaven05 Jul 2013 #46
Hogwash Major Nikon Jul 2013 #12
Trayvon had the right to use deadly force to protect HIMSELF. kestrel91316 Jul 2013 #54
Sorry, Zman caused this, the right wing legislature's gun laws allowed it, a bigoted jury Hoyt Jul 2013 #3
Exactly etherealtruth Jul 2013 #19
That is ridiculous. All states have a right to self defense in their laws. dkf Jul 2013 #27
Yes, but they do not have the right to kill if there are other solutions. Mass Jul 2013 #31
What other solution was there? dkf Jul 2013 #32
you completely disgust me CatWoman Jul 2013 #40
my heaven05 Jul 2013 #47
+100 billh58 Jul 2013 #50
Bingo. That person disgusts most of DU most of the time. kestrel91316 Jul 2013 #55
If you need to attack me personally, I guess that means you can't refute the assertion. dkf Jul 2013 #59
+1000 Mass Jul 2013 #60
Here's the problem metalbot Jul 2013 #58
yeah heaven05 Jul 2013 #82
Under the exact same conditions, except that Z was Black and Martin was White/Peruvian... MrScorpio Jul 2013 #4
No...this discussion would not be even taking place HipChick Jul 2013 #6
And why isn't THAT the inequity. dkf Jul 2013 #17
I would have made the same judgment given the evidence as presented. dkf Jul 2013 #13
Exclude yourself from the jury... You weren't there in the first place MrScorpio Jul 2013 #16
Do I know how racist people in Florida are? dkf Jul 2013 #21
Well, isn't that a tacit admission that Zimmerman's verdict was the result of a racist perspective? MrScorpio Jul 2013 #34
No. The way they apply it towards blacks is racist. dkf Jul 2013 #35
Look, you can't have it both ways MrScorpio Jul 2013 #38
The Zimmerman verdict was the correct one. dkf Jul 2013 #39
I'm saying that a Manslaughter conviction would have been appropriate regardless of the shooter MrScorpio Jul 2013 #42
No. What does empathy with Trayvon have to do with the... dkf Jul 2013 #51
If you don't understand how any of this matters... MrScorpio Jul 2013 #57
Honestly you make no sense to me whatsoever. dkf Jul 2013 #63
catwoman heaven05 Jul 2013 #70
??? heaven05 Jul 2013 #48
You distort the OP's message. The message was that the law that allowed Zimmerman to bluestate10 Jul 2013 #10
There wasn't anything illegal in what was done prior to the confrontation. dkf Jul 2013 #14
Again, you are mixed up. bluestate10 Jul 2013 #20
No. You can't beat up someone for following you. dkf Jul 2013 #22
Actually, under "Stand Your Ground', you CAN beat up someone for following you, if you ET Awful Jul 2013 #52
It doesn't matter what YOU believe, it's what a 'reasonable person' would have believed. Flatulo Jul 2013 #69
he heaven05 Jul 2013 #49
In the 10 years I've been here independentpiney Jul 2013 #25
interesting AND disgusting CatWoman Jul 2013 #41
You are correct. That person has NEVER taken the liberal view of a single kestrel91316 Jul 2013 #56
It ain't MIRT. Apparently the admins think it's all fine. Kingofalldems Jul 2013 #61
Truthfully azurnoir Jul 2013 #66
I have to wonder if there's some large donations behind that star of theirs independentpiney Jul 2013 #68
maybe heaven05 Jul 2013 #43
Blacks who don't SYG also often imprisoned. Blacks who *anything* often imprisoned. cthulu2016 Jul 2013 #8
There is an economic component. bluestate10 Jul 2013 #24
30% to 3% leftyohiolib Jul 2013 #9
the entire criminal justice system is deeply racist limpyhobbler Jul 2013 #11
Exactly...anyone who is in denial of that HipChick Jul 2013 #18
+1 gollygee Jul 2013 #23
The Florida billh58 Jul 2013 #67
The root is the system is racist and black folks are more likely to be under the hammer in any TheKentuckian Jul 2013 #29
In May Florida (surprise!) Marissa Alexander got 20 years for firing a warning shot into the ceiling B Stieg Jul 2013 #33
tell heaven05 Jul 2013 #45
I hear you. I'm starting to spot DU's "Cracker Trolls" too B Stieg Jul 2013 #71
the heaven05 Jul 2013 #44
Zimmermans life wasn't being threatened Peaceplace80 Jul 2013 #53
See, this is where I get really confused. calimary Jul 2013 #62
The problem with SYG laws... Flatulo Jul 2013 #72
"Swallow your fucking pride and walk away." If only. calimary Jul 2013 #75
I heaven05 Jul 2013 #81
My personal take on it is what would have been legal for a policeman jimboss Jul 2013 #76
Welcome to DU, jimboss. calimary Jul 2013 #80
What's baffled me about this whole case from the get-go, is that Zimmerman set into Flatulo Jul 2013 #73
K and R BainsBane Jul 2013 #74
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We have a tradition here on DU of posting links for stories that we refer to in our posts MrScorpio Jul 2013 #78
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