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27. Comment #5 does not discuss the death of the grandson....
Thu Jul 18, 2013, 04:06 AM
Jul 2013

The following articles square with the NYT opinion piece, and it seems unclear that Ibrahim al-Banna was actually killed. So, is there more that you have found wrong in the NYT opinion piece?

I'll append my other questions, too:

Who is the uncle who "has put out misinformation in the past," and what was the misinformation?

Lastly, how do you know what you are saying is true? Do you have citations for the sources?


The Drone That Killed My Grandson
By NASSER al-AWLAKI
Published: July 17, 2013

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The missile killed him, his teenage cousin and at least five other civilians on Oct. 14, 2011, while the boys were eating dinner at an open-air restaurant in southern Yemen.

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http://www.nytimes.com/2013/07/18/opinion/the-drone-that-killed-my-grandson.html


Inside America's Dirty Wars
How three US citizens were killed by their own government in the space of one month in 2011.
Jeremy Scahill April 24, 2013 | This article appeared in the May 13, 2013 edition of The Nation.

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As Abdulrahman mourned, the boy’s family members in Shabwah tried to comfort him and encouraged him to get out with his cousins. That was what Abdulrahman was doing on the evening of October 14. He and his cousins had joined a group of friends outdoors to barbecue. There were a few other people doing the same nearby. It was about 9 pm when the drones pierced the night sky. Moments later, Abdulrahman was dead. So, too, were several other teenage members of his family, including Abdulrahman’s 17-year-old cousin Ahmed.

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http://www.thenation.com/article/173980/inside-americas-dirty-wars#ixzz2ZNe1TnlQ


The Lethal Presidency of Barack Obama
by Tom Junod - Esquire

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On that night, though, they were all celebrating Abdulrahman's last night in his ancestral village near the Arabian Sea. He had been waiting for Yemen's political unrest to die down before heading home. Now the way seemed clear, the roads less perilous, and he was saying goodbye to the friends he'd made. There were six or seven of them, along with a seventeen-year-old cousin. It was a night lit by a bright moon, and they were sitting around a fire. They were cooking and eating. It was initially reported that an Al Qaeda leader named Ibrahim al-Banna was among those killed, but then it was reported that al-Banna is still alive to this day. It was also reported that Abdulrahman al-Awlaki was a twenty-one-year-old militant, until his grandfather released his birth certificate. There is the fog of war, and then there is the deeper fog of the Lethal Presidency. What is certain is only this: that a drone crossed the moonlit sky, and when the sun rose the next morning, the relatives of Abdulrahman al-Awlaki gathered his remains — along with those of his cousin and some teenaged boys — so that they could give a Muslim funeral to an American boy.

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http://www.esquire.com/features/obama-lethal-presidency-0812-5


How a U.S. Citizen Came to Be in America’s Cross Hairs
By MARK MAZZETTI, CHARLIE SAVAGE and SCOTT SHANE
Published: March 9, 2013

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Then, on Oct. 14, a missile apparently intended for an Egyptian Qaeda operative, Ibrahim al-Banna, hit a modest outdoor eating place in Shabwa. The intelligence was bad: Mr. Banna was not there, and among about a dozen men killed was the young Abdulrahman al-Awlaki, who had no connection to terrorism and would never have been deliberately targeted.

It was a tragic error and, for the Obama administration, a public relations disaster, further muddying the moral clarity of the previous strike on his father and fueling skepticism about American assertions of drones’ surgical precision. The damage was only compounded when anonymous officials at first gave the younger Mr. Awlaki’s age as 21, prompting his grieving family to make public his birth certificate.

He had been born in Denver, said the certificate from the Colorado health department. In the United States, at the time his government’s missile killed him, the teenager would have just reached driving age.

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/03/10/world/middleeast/anwar-al-awlaki-a-us-citizen-in-americas-cross-hairs.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0

Why isn't the family filing a wrongful death suit? The suit filed by CCR is sure to be dismissed, msanthrope Jul 2013 #1
Maybe, just maybe, when enough people realize that people in foreign countries are human, just like RC Jul 2013 #2
+1,000,000 n/t Catherina Jul 2013 #6
I agree. If only people would put themselves in the place of those being oppressed and killed. kelliekat44 Jul 2013 #46
The grandfather is NOT telling the truth. The boy was in a CAR with known terrorists. Tx4obama Jul 2013 #3
This message was self-deleted by its author Hissyspit Jul 2013 #5
FYI: The article that you reference concerns Anwar al-Awlaki (the son) not Abdulrahman al-Awlaki xocet Jul 2013 #24
Yeah. You're right. Hissyspit Jul 2013 #31
Is their any heinous act by the government that you won't defend? [n/t] Maedhros Jul 2013 #7
There is a difference between defending something and not wanting to see misinformation. n/t Tx4obama Jul 2013 #9
There is no good reason to let facts get in the way of a good emotional rant... Pelican Jul 2013 #10
Oh good. The US doesn't know who their blowing up. That's even better. Gravitycollapse Jul 2013 #11
Which parts of the NYT opinion piece are false? xocet Jul 2013 #14
There are lots of things not correct Tx4obama Jul 2013 #16
Comment #5 does not discuss the death of the grandson.... xocet Jul 2013 #27
It seems that you did not read the articles too closely, so it is very hard to defend your position. xocet Jul 2013 #32
This message was self-deleted by its author xocet Jul 2013 #26
K&R LittleBlue Jul 2013 #4
To which 'murderers' are you referring here? nt geek tragedy Jul 2013 #36
The men who murder with red buttons LittleBlue Jul 2013 #41
So, do you think Obama should be impeached or just extradited to the Hague? geek tragedy Jul 2013 #43
If I'm honest LittleBlue Jul 2013 #44
He personally approved the strike on Anwar al Awlaki. geek tragedy Jul 2013 #45
When a child dies LittleBlue Jul 2013 #48
What should I be outraged over tonight: This or a Rolling Stone cover? Hmmm... Comrade Grumpy Jul 2013 #8
liar, liar, grandson's pants on fire! Pretzel_Warrior Jul 2013 #12
Wow. Hissyspit Jul 2013 #17
you're welcome Pretzel_Warrior Jul 2013 #18
Didn't thank you. Hissyspit Jul 2013 #19
now I see how you got 40K posts Pretzel_Warrior Jul 2013 #20
Since 2004? Hissyspit Jul 2013 #21
it wasn't creepy. it was a riff off the fact that the guy is lying in his editorial Pretzel_Warrior Jul 2013 #23
perhaps you can take the time to outline those lies? frylock Jul 2013 #33
What are the lies? leftstreet Jul 2013 #47
knr Douglas Carpenter Jul 2013 #13
Abdulrahman's father was part of al Queda, and al Queda has killed children in its attacks. pnwmom Jul 2013 #15
Yes, and Anwar al-Awlaki believed children should be raised 'on the love of Jihad' Tx4obama Jul 2013 #25
In post# 1, I asked why had the family filed such a lawsuit--as opposed to a wrongful death action. msanthrope Jul 2013 #42
So, you would hold the USA to the same standard as al-Qaeda? That is just brilliant! xocet Jul 2013 #28
No, as I said, we didn't kill the son deliberately. pnwmom Jul 2013 #29
Jeremy Scahill: Killing Anwar al-Awlaki Douglas Carpenter Jul 2013 #22
Holder's letter explaining why al-Awlaki was legally targeted: pnwmom Jul 2013 #30
Sure. A letter trumps the Constitution and it was an accident, anyway. Octafish Jul 2013 #37
The letter doesn't trump the Constitution. pnwmom Jul 2013 #39
Yes. The President can target Americans if they are deemed enemy combatants, and they are non- msanthrope Jul 2013 #40
Does that include journalists? Octafish Jul 2013 #49
Reminds me of the Tsaernaev family. nt AllINeedIsCoffee Jul 2013 #34
K&R No words for this. woo me with science Jul 2013 #35
Post removed Post removed Jul 2013 #38
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