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anomiep

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88. The article

Mon Jul 15, 2013, 11:56 AM

Jul 2013

I'm not sure it's making clear whether or not that 70% includes people being convicted of lesser felonies than they were charged with.

If that is the case, you'd be comparing 78% vs. 70%

The number of convictions of CHL holders is far, far lower than the general population, so this would tend to indicate that the arrest rate is likely also far, far lower.

And this points out another problem with your initial statement. Your initial claim appears to be that statistically he won't be convicted - that may be true for the crime for which he was arrested/charged, but your own statistics show only a 22% chance that he walks scot free.

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Black, 17, and Shot Dead by Concealed Carry Permit Holder in Florida (spoiler: not Zimmerman) [View all] Robb Jul 2013 OP

And he will be convicted ceonupe Jul 2013 #1

I don't think so JustAnotherGen Jul 2013 #2

Do Not Think He Will Walk erpowers Jul 2013 #12

And he had no injuries Yo_Mama Jul 2013 #17

and Trayvon was just walking down the sidewalk Horse with no Name Jul 2013 #20

Lack of Witnesses erpowers Jul 2013 #29

But the first hand witness JustAnotherGen Jul 2013 #36

On the other hand,,,, Cryptoad Jul 2013 #39

I will JustAnotherGen Jul 2013 #23

I lived in Jax for a time. Disgusting-ass place. I was in a band and got beat up because... BlueJazz Jul 2013 #30

now you can just shoot all four of them leftyohiolib Jul 2013 #61

LOL! BlueJazz Jul 2013 #67

Ha! JustAnotherGen Jul 2013 #78

LOL!! Lucky Luciano Jul 2013 #97

yeah, open fire into a car full of teenagers because "I thought they had a gun!" anneboleyn Jul 2013 #109

I've lived south of Jax for nearly forty years. I'll agree. I don't like Jacksonville. That said, 1monster Jul 2013 #87

+1... I've seen this story play out... Blue_Tires Jul 2013 #74

Glad you stopped by JustAnotherGen Jul 2013 #76

On and one more piece of dirt JustAnotherGen Jul 2013 #79

It's the new segregation taking over. zeemike Jul 2013 #85

You can make those claims or learn the law. Your choice. cthulu2016 Jul 2013 #25

"a reasonable person" Autumn Colors Jul 2013 #34

I'm pretty sure "law" these days has nothing to do with Blue_Tires Jul 2013 #89

+1. nt Robb Jul 2013 #92

Good for you gopiscrap Jul 2013 #54

Statistically, no, he won't. Robb Jul 2013 #4

+1 JustAnotherGen Jul 2013 #5

Static ts about crimes are misleading ceonupe Jul 2013 #8

"Arrest data for Texas CHL holders indicate that violent crime is not a consequence of handgun ... hack89 Jul 2013 #27

And a tidbit that wont go over well with many here! nt 7962 Jul 2013 #95

What are the statistics for the general population? anomiep Jul 2013 #31

Conservatively, 70%. Robb Jul 2013 #38

Ok anomiep Jul 2013 #43

The article anomiep Jul 2013 #88

+1 uponit7771 Jul 2013 #48

Don't hit the humpers with facts!-NT Anansi1171 Jul 2013 #65

I agree, very different facts. He said there was a gun, and not even a small one, 7962 Jul 2013 #13

Here is the CNN link ceonupe Jul 2013 #51

OK, I thought your original post meant that the original story 7962 Jul 2013 #96

I seriously doubt it. NOLALady Jul 2013 #33

I hope you're right and I'm wrong, but . . . Jack Rabbit Jul 2013 #37

I have no confidence that this will happen uponit7771 Jul 2013 #47

he saw what he thought was a shotgun, he had reasonable grounds to think his life was in danger. HiPointDem Jul 2013 #99

makes alot of diffrence ceonupe Jul 2013 #100

I forgot about that story - North Georgia, right? Ruby the Liberal Jul 2013 #101

One claims he was with the shooter and did not do it ceonupe Jul 2013 #105

Okay - thanks Ruby the Liberal Jul 2013 #107

Her only crime ceonupe Jul 2013 #108

The big, glaring, massive difference though Number23 Jul 2013 #112

Very different case wercal Jul 2013 #3

good thing Herbert Mullin didn't operate in FL: he, too, genuinely thought the MisterP Jul 2013 #32

Do you think that 'genuine thought' is reasonable? anomiep Jul 2013 #45

This is false, the jury will have to deliberate on a ABSURD proffeing of "reasonable fear" uponit7771 Jul 2013 #50

Sorry you can't see the differences in this case wercal Jul 2013 #58

Unfortunately it's the same inept prosecutors office on this case as the Zimmerman case bigdarryl Jul 2013 #6

I think he gets convicted justanaverageguy Jul 2013 #7

Disagree JustAnotherGen Jul 2013 #14

Ask yourself this justanaverageguy Jul 2013 #24

I would HAVE to believe him JustAnotherGen Jul 2013 #28

are you being sarcastic?? justanaverageguy Jul 2013 #44

No - I'm serious JustAnotherGen Jul 2013 #53

"I don't know if they were trying to stash something in the car...." Robb Jul 2013 #18

Gun owners kill normal people. nt onehandle Jul 2013 #9

Why haven't we heard more about this situation? lynne Jul 2013 #10

Future defense attorney: He thought he saw a shotgun CanonRay Jul 2013 #11

Exactly JustAnotherGen Jul 2013 #15

+1 uponit7771 Jul 2013 #52

I've always said I wouldn't go either - even if matthews Jul 2013 #106

I'll bet money this guy gets time. cherokeeprogressive Jul 2013 #16

I wonder how many went hunting this weekend BainsBane Jul 2013 #19

With the exception of no prior call to the police, its pretty close. He's guilty and after.... marble falls Jul 2013 #21

This Dunn asshole fled from the scene after he shot those kids up MrScorpio Jul 2013 #22

I agree MrScorpio JustAnotherGen Jul 2013 #26

What the white jury will see: "the kids had a shotgun, and after geek tragedy Jul 2013 #60

The Phantom Shotgun Defense MrScorpio Jul 2013 #64

The Gungeoneers were already inventing ways to acquit the guy: geek tragedy Jul 2013 #69

Jeez, Louise. nt MrScorpio Jul 2013 #70

Not surprised at all, and I'm guessing they'll be the first ones to celebrate... Blue_Tires Jul 2013 #72

That's a must-read thread right there. Thanks for posting it. Robb Jul 2013 #73

Yep, with the group mod leading the way. His standard: geek tragedy Jul 2013 #75

They enjoy defending their own to the bitter end Blue_Tires Jul 2013 #91

Yep, if blacks are insufficiently respectful towards white, summary execution. nt geek tragedy Jul 2013 #93

Oh wow JustAnotherGen Jul 2013 #81

even knowing that THE KIDS NEVER LEFT THE CAR, here's the Gungeoneer standard: geek tragedy Jul 2013 #82

"WHAT IF IT WAS JUSTIFIED?" Holy damn shit. Number23 Jul 2013 #111

Different case. Different facts. DirkGently Jul 2013 #35

Kicking for future. yourout Jul 2013 #40

I predict a not guilty verdict. Blackford Jul 2013 #41

The racists are celebrating! It's open season! This guy will walk.. mountain grammy Jul 2013 #42

Why I wonder 1st degree murder Boom Sound 416 Jul 2013 #46

Because he willfully murdered another human being with malice nt geek tragedy Jul 2013 #62

Understood. Boom Sound 416 Jul 2013 #68

talked about this case since it happened angrychair Jul 2013 #49

He'll walk. White jurors will have an image of a car full of black teens, geek tragedy Jul 2013 #55

It sounds like the police did a better job investigating avebury Jul 2013 #56

Disgusting from the links comments page MillennialDem Jul 2013 #57

yeah, it's par for the course Blue_Tires Jul 2013 #94

I remember reading about this skeewee08 Jul 2013 #59

I believed Zim should have been found not guilty Boom Sound 416 Jul 2013 #63

he'll heaven05 Jul 2013 #66

This is why we need to teach our minority children to carry and AIM... LaydeeBug Jul 2013 #71

Too many witnesses HockeyMom Jul 2013 #77

that's legal isn't it? bowens43 Jul 2013 #80

The defense will claim that the kids disposed of the shotgun kestrel91316 Jul 2013 #83

Or, make the case about whether geek tragedy Jul 2013 #84

They can't, the cameras were on...BUT in a Man slaughter case the JURY can ONLY deliberate on what uponit7771 Jul 2013 #90

Dunn made a mistake Turbineguy Jul 2013 #86

Consider anomiep Jul 2013 #98

I assume nothing after that bullshit from Saturday... Blue_Tires Jul 2013 #104

I didn't ask anyone to assume anything anomiep Jul 2013 #110

Oh dear, he 'thought' he saw a shotgun Rex Jul 2013 #102

Just when I thought the Freepers couldn't be more demonic. kalisto2010 Jul 2013 #103