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In the discussion thread: Texas Teacher Suspended for 'Go Back to Mexico' Comment [View all]

Fri Feb 17, 2012, 05:17 PM

EFerrari (163,986 posts)

27. There are a lot of bi-lingual nativists out there, especially out here.

Fluency is really beside the point.

My pilot bigot brother-in-law was fluent in three languages, may his berth in Hell not discomfit too many other souls. He never lost an opportunity to use what he thought my ethnicity was to try to make me feel uncomfortable. He just did it in fluent Spanish.

This lady may have been having a really rotten day, that happens. But if there is a bigger problem, she's gotten the feedback she needs to attend to it. And the Latino kids have gotten a bit of support, too. Maybe everybody wins out of this one.

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167 replies	Author	Time	Post
Texas Teacher Suspended for 'Go Back to Mexico' Comment [View all]	Newsjock	Feb 2012	OP
Having read the article, I'm siding with the teacher on this one;	LeftinOH	Feb 2012	#1
If you can't deal with difficult kids without racism, don't teach school in Texas. n/t	EFerrari	Feb 2012	#7
We should be grateful	Baby Bear	Feb 2012	#28
And taking that out on kids is wrong. n/t	EFerrari	Feb 2012	#29
Yep. God knows why this is so difficult for some people to grasp. (nt)	Posteritatis	Feb 2012	#59
hey efarrari	arely staircase	Feb 2012	#74
I said something similar in #27.	EFerrari	Feb 2012	#77
Main focus missed	hermily	Feb 2012	#159
I love this reply...	TeeYiYi	Feb 2012	#113
I'm not sure this was racism	Yo_Mama	Feb 2012	#34
A solid assessment n/t	MrBig	Feb 2012	#43
It's probably the oldest nativist slam in this part of the country.	EFerrari	Feb 2012	#44
Mexican is not a race	Kellerfeller	Feb 2012	#57
Nativism is a form of racism, yes. n/t	EFerrari	Feb 2012	#65
Only if you completely redefine the word	Kellerfeller	Feb 2012	#110
Of course it was. I don't see your problem.	EFerrari	Feb 2012	#112
Nice job of splitting hairs	Major Nikon	Feb 2012	#132
uh, no mexican isnt a race but most mexicans are a mix of indigenous american and european, therefor	arely staircase	Feb 2012	#89
If the black person continually said "I'm Rwandan"	Kellerfeller	Feb 2012	#109
Wrong. Identifying racism isn't racism.	EFerrari	Feb 2012	#117
There is a huge difference	Kellerfeller	Feb 2012	#122
Yes, there is from her other comments related in the article.	EFerrari	Feb 2012	#123
"go back to mexico" has for my entire lifetime been a racist statement. a quite common one at that	arely staircase	Feb 2012	#126
This post was hidden by jury decision.	4whomthebelletrolls	Feb 2012	#64
Teachers are human. Her comment was a response to his comment and not racist.	Honeycombe8	Feb 2012	#85
You couldn't be more wrong about her comment	EFerrari	Feb 2012	#116
"Mexican" is not a race.	boppers	Feb 2012	#149
Yes, nativism is a form of racism. n/t	EFerrari	Feb 2012	#151
I posted this before scrolling down (and seeing your plea to stop laboring this point).	boppers	Feb 2012	#152
Agree	hermily	Feb 2012	#158
Yes!!!!	hermily	Feb 2012	#160
Welcome to DU, hermily.	EFerrari	Feb 2012	#161
she should have sent him directly ro the office to get the form	arely staircase	Feb 2012	#53
I don't think TX provides alternative teaching materials & forms in different languages.	Honeycombe8	Feb 2012	#94
no, the forms in spanish were available in the office, the story says. nt	arely staircase	Feb 2012	#96
Oh, I missed that sentence. It says she tried to tell him to go get it from the office...	Honeycombe8	Feb 2012	#98
im a school teacher and i get the feeling the kid was being a total jackass	arely staircase	Feb 2012	#102
I vote "jack ass" too. Seen it too many times myself.	BeHereNow	Feb 2012	#121
It's in the article	tammywammy	Feb 2012	#97
Me, too. If it's not a pattern and onetime frustration comment, give her a pass.	Honeycombe8	Feb 2012	#84
She didn't have ANY forms or those just in English	HockeyMom	Feb 2012	#2
texas doesn't have bilingual education	MrsBrady	Feb 2012	#73
here is her rate my teacher page	sammytko	Feb 2012	#3
transferred to another school	sammytko	Feb 2012	#5
She's 63, so started her teaching career in her late 30s?	sammytko	Feb 2012	#6
If she started teaching the day she turned 20, she started in 1969.	EFerrari	Feb 2012	#13
She's been a teacher for 23 years....	sammytko	Feb 2012	#15
Oh, yeah, you're right.	EFerrari	Feb 2012	#16
My grandmother started a teaching career in earnest at about 40 or so	The Genealogist	Feb 2012	#52
Any white American who says this should be exiled to England without trial.	saras	Feb 2012	#4
Why England? Or are you lumping	Johnson20	Feb 2012	#20
For the irony challenged, that's the same as calling all Latinos "Mexicans". n/t	EFerrari	Feb 2012	#30
Except	MrBig	Feb 2012	#31
Yeah, we have a real problem with people of French descent being told	EFerrari	Feb 2012	#39
I think you missed my point	MrBig	Feb 2012	#42
it isnt the same	arely staircase	Feb 2012	#75
I think it is the same, if you're talking about a kid who speaks only French...	Honeycombe8	Feb 2012	#86
the history of anti mexican bigotry in texas and the dirth of comparable francophobia	arely staircase	Feb 2012	#95
I live in TX near where that school district is. There is no anti-Mexican bigotry here...	Honeycombe8	Feb 2012	#99
then congratulations for living in the only town in texas with no anti mexican bigotry	arely staircase	Feb 2012	#101
You're off topic. This is about one remark by one person in response to one remark by	Honeycombe8	Feb 2012	#120
No, it's not the same because the American Southwest was never France. nt	EFerrari	Feb 2012	#162
Regardless, being Irish I was offended by it.	Johnson20	Feb 2012	#35
Yes, regardless of the context, that would make sense. nt	EFerrari	Feb 2012	#37
That escapes me, please explain the context in which bigotry is OK	Johnson20	Feb 2012	#51
my celtic dad despised being called anglo nt	arely staircase	Feb 2012	#92
my favorite thing i when people call me and other mexican americans spanish	arely staircase	Feb 2012	#103
I know, lol.	EFerrari	Feb 2012	#105
from the office	arely staircase	Feb 2012	#124
We board horses here and most of our boarders	EFerrari	Feb 2012	#128
that sounds like a lot of fun, really	arely staircase	Mar 2012	#167
What do you do with a kid that says this?	Gman	Feb 2012	#48
send him to the office to get the form	arely staircase	Feb 2012	#93
BS. The teacher did nothing wrong	Gman	Feb 2012	#8
I agree. You are right. n/t	RebelOne	Feb 2012	#9
No, he's not right. Using nativist slams on kids entrusted to your care is wrong.	EFerrari	Feb 2012	#26
I disagree	MrBig	Feb 2012	#32
+1 n/t	tammywammy	Feb 2012	#38
How does what the kid said mitigate her remark, exactly?	EFerrari	Feb 2012	#45
Not mitigate, but puts it in some context	MrBig	Feb 2012	#49
Well, in context of that particular nativism, it's akin to a teacher	EFerrari	Feb 2012	#69
I disagree	MrBig	Feb 2012	#104
You are comparing language used by an insider to language used by an outsider.	EFerrari	Feb 2012	#107
99 times out of 100 you are correct	MrBig	Feb 2012	#139
Also	MrBig	Feb 2012	#140
Shirley Bunn is not a Latina.	EFerrari	Feb 2012	#142
A picture?	MrBig	Feb 2012	#153
Actually, my coloring is a lot like hers and unless I self-identify	EFerrari	Feb 2012	#154
I have a friend who can relate...	MrBig	Feb 2012	#155
Wrong? Yes. Fireable offense? Give me a break.	joeglow3	Feb 2012	#61
If you read my posts, you'll see I haven't advocated for that. n/t	EFerrari	Feb 2012	#68
This post was hidden by jury decision.	4whomthebelletrolls	Feb 2012	#60
Coincidently, I'm not.	EFerrari	Feb 2012	#67
That poster is no longer with us	cyberswede	Feb 2012	#70
"Mexico" is not the same thing as the "N" word. Totally different.	Honeycombe8	Feb 2012	#88
No way.	Drahthaardogs	Feb 2012	#90
Oh, geeze. "Go back to Africa", "go back to Mexico".	EFerrari	Feb 2012	#163
By forcing the situation, you mean, the kid asked for something he needed?	EFerrari	Feb 2012	#11
There is no defending this kid so stop trying	Gman	Feb 2012	#47
Wait, so a kid asks for a form he is legally entitled to	EFerrari	Feb 2012	#72
This message was self-deleted by its author	Gman	Feb 2012	#82
Why do you think the school district is legally require to provide alternate books & forms	Honeycombe8	Feb 2012	#91
The article specifically says he was disruptive.	Drahthaardogs	Feb 2012	#100
Gman said the boy is indefensible. That's over the top.	EFerrari	Feb 2012	#131
Yeah, I have taught Jr. High	Drahthaardogs	Feb 2012	#134
Speaking of a big dose of reality	EFerrari	Feb 2012	#135
Not sure how you meant it but...	Drahthaardogs	Feb 2012	#137
" If you want to call that "bad", fine. It's early adolescence"	EFerrari	Feb 2012	#138
Bad child. Difficult what to say about the teacher.	sibelian	Feb 2012	#10
Out of curiosity, how do you know this is a bad child?	EFerrari	Feb 2012	#12
Well, the article says as much...	sibelian	Feb 2012	#36
What bad behavior does the article describe?	EFerrari	Feb 2012	#40
I'm nonplussed. Do you believe that I have chosen sides against the child?	sibelian	Feb 2012	#55
A distinction without a difference. n/t	EFerrari	Feb 2012	#79
Seems more the opposite to me.	TheKentuckian	Feb 2012	#156
You don't teach kids how to behave in your classroom	EFerrari	Feb 2012	#164
Granted, I'm saying the response (poor as it was) need not be fueled by bigotry	TheKentuckian	Feb 2012	#165
I don't know the lady.	EFerrari	Feb 2012	#166
That kid seems like trouble, I'm siding with the teacher on this one too.	Obamacare	Feb 2012	#14
She's referred to them as the Mexican Mafia.	sammytko	Feb 2012	#17
This isn't the first occurence of her making a negative comment about Hispanics. n/t	EFerrari	Feb 2012	#19
I'm not sure where your knowledge of this teacher is coming from, EFerrari.	sibelian	Feb 2012	#62
The OP. n/t	EFerrari	Feb 2012	#66
so that would be...	sibelian	Feb 2012	#76
How would that be excluding anything?	EFerrari	Feb 2012	#78
Bilingual paperwork is available in the AISD.	w8liftinglady	Feb 2012	#18
If this teacher has been in that district, or anywhere in Texas	MineralMan	Feb 2012	#21
As I said, I am bilingual.(English/Spanish)	w8liftinglady	Feb 2012	#22
I know you are, and that's muy excelente.	MineralMan	Feb 2012	#23
Understood.	w8liftinglady	Feb 2012	#24
Texas - It's a whole other country.	MineralMan	Feb 2012	#25
There are a lot of bi-lingual nativists out there, especially out here.	EFerrari	Feb 2012	#27
bien dicho nt	arely staircase	Feb 2012	#87
Comment from a freeper, WTF!!	Obamacare	Feb 2012	#33
I am siding with the teacher because she should not be faced with losing her job over one comment.	Riley18	Feb 2012	#41
I would have been irritated, too.	Quantess	Feb 2012	#46
From a larger picture point of view	MrBig	Feb 2012	#50
She needed administrative support-	BeHereNow	Feb 2012	#119
Yes, but	MrBig	Feb 2012	#141
I'll R#6 (or whatever) and K this even without reading the o.p. nt	UTUSN	Feb 2012	#54
Why is that not allowed?	Rex	Feb 2012	#130
Looks like a Republican website.	gulliver	Feb 2012	#56
is this from a right wing news site?	newspeak	Feb 2012	#143
Aaaahh, it's good to know that every day I can wake up, log into DU and have my faith in.....	PavePusher	Feb 2012	#58
Dismissiveness is not an argument. nt	EFerrari	Feb 2012	#80
Reading the headline, I agreed with firing her	TheCruces	Feb 2012	#63
Having dealt with kids like this one- I'm with the teacher.	BeHereNow	Feb 2012	#71
I'm sorry, BHN, this whole post is a slur on Mexican Americans	EFerrari	Feb 2012	#81
Note that he didn't say "Every Mexican-American kid had gang family members"....	PavePusher	Feb 2012	#83
I'm a she- and thank you for pointing that out	BeHereNow	Feb 2012	#108
To be fair, a lot of the gangs did not originate in Mexico....	PavePusher	Feb 2012	#115
You are so correct-	BeHereNow	Feb 2012	#118
Your post generalized from a boisterous kid	EFerrari	Feb 2012	#133
You are myopic in your perceptions EF.	BeHereNow	Feb 2012	#144
No, I'm not myopic in the least.	EFerrari	Feb 2012	#145
What?	BeHereNow	Feb 2012	#146
I think we're done here. nt	EFerrari	Feb 2012	#147
Wow- just wow.	BeHereNow	Feb 2012	#148
Perhaps I should clarify that my post is about a small segment of students.	BeHereNow	Feb 2012	#106
How? The kid said he was Mexican,	Kellerfeller	Feb 2012	#111
No worries. We live in a complicated culture out here	EFerrari	Feb 2012	#114
I think many people are actively denying nuance and context...	LanternWaste	Feb 2012	#125
It reminds me of "no talk" rules in dysfunctional families	EFerrari	Feb 2012	#127
He is the child, she is the adult.	Rex	Feb 2012	#129
I can't believe some posters are defending this!?	ecstatic	Feb 2012	#136
Amazing that so many of the replies here	Vattel	Feb 2012	#150
California Mexio? New Mexico Mexico? Texas Mexico? Arizona Texas?	LiberalFighter	Feb 2012	#157

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