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MineralMan

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4. We don't need all women to do it.

Fri Feb 17, 2012, 02:17 PM

Feb 2012

We just need a bunch of them to vote against those morons. And according to the most recent polls, it's working.

Nobody can ever convince everyone to do anything. It's not necessary.

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Some progressives are too confident in women not supporting anti-birth control candidates [View all] Green_Lantern Feb 2012 OP

Sounds like someone is off base here. I'm a retired middle class woman with no cause to shraby Feb 2012 #1

I was an Independent for 30 years HockeyMom Feb 2012 #2

see that's the thing Green_Lantern Feb 2012 #5

That's because they have the good insurance the Repubs want to deny people muriel_volestrangler Feb 2012 #39

we can't just hope they'll have empathy Green_Lantern Feb 2012 #42

They have the cover; they know it's a good thing muriel_volestrangler Feb 2012 #45

so let's just assume that and only go after liberals? Green_Lantern Feb 2012 #51

Now you seem to be advocating reacting to public opinion muriel_volestrangler Feb 2012 #55

No...I'm saying we need to tell voters even conservatives why progressive benefit everyone Green_Lantern Feb 2012 #57

I'm not saying it'll work on all middle class women... Green_Lantern Feb 2012 #3

When 98% of all women use them? HockeyMom Feb 2012 #20

I agree it's do as I do not as I say... Green_Lantern Feb 2012 #22

I am 70 and I am angry. They have no right to make these moral judgements against women. I am jwirr Feb 2012 #16

We don't need anger we need to be proactive Green_Lantern Feb 2012 #19

So why can't we do both? jwirr Feb 2012 #21

we can be motivated by anger Green_Lantern Feb 2012 #23

Absolutely. jwirr Feb 2012 #24

Another 70 year old who will be right there with you. kiranon Feb 2012 #30

Your post makes me smile. So true. If men think about it they would be the ones fighting for birth jwirr Feb 2012 #32

We don't need all women to do it. MineralMan Feb 2012 #4

the polls are a progressive weakness Green_Lantern Feb 2012 #8

Obama designed the rules saying all insurance must cover birth control muriel_volestrangler Feb 2012 #40

Obama is the one who balked and put in the religion exemption... Green_Lantern Feb 2012 #43

He changed the rules so that all women will be covered muriel_volestrangler Feb 2012 #46

he could have just done that in the first place Green_Lantern Feb 2012 #52

Huh? What exemption are you saying he put in? muriel_volestrangler Feb 2012 #54

there was an exemption for religious institutions in the original requirement Green_Lantern Feb 2012 #60

That's churches themselves, not church-run hospitals, universities and so on muriel_volestrangler Feb 2012 #62

an ideal world? Green_Lantern Feb 2012 #69

Are you sure that includes the religions themselves? muriel_volestrangler Feb 2012 #80

Birth Control is a losing issue for the GOP. mick063 Feb 2012 #6

I like Rachel but she can be naive Green_Lantern Feb 2012 #11

I don't know - there are some signs already of a backlash against the Republicans on this.... yellowcanine Feb 2012 #7

You underestimate the impact of this GOP theater. AtomicKitten Feb 2012 #9

only if the issues are debated at face value Green_Lantern Feb 2012 #13

The GOP is tone deaf on women's issues and I agree they use subterfuge AtomicKitten Feb 2012 #15

Santorum is a gift to us Green_Lantern Feb 2012 #18

It effects men too -- are you too confident in men too? justiceischeap Feb 2012 #10

depends on the man Green_Lantern Feb 2012 #17

Until they end up paying child support justiceischeap Feb 2012 #34

You're not confident enough that women will stand up for their own well-being against the GOP. FarLeftFist Feb 2012 #12

no I'm not Green_Lantern Feb 2012 #14

Lots of things "could" happen and nobody can predict the future Proud Liberal Dem Feb 2012 #44

I agree the GOP going too far right may just hurt them.. Green_Lantern Feb 2012 #53

2004 was much different Proud Liberal Dem Feb 2012 #58

Male Vasectomies SHOULD be covered too HockeyMom Feb 2012 #25

insurance would oppose covering that without copay Green_Lantern Feb 2012 #26

My husband's in '84 was outpaitent and had a co-pay HockeyMom Feb 2012 #27

My wife really pestered me to become a "sport model" mick063 Feb 2012 #28

Guys, your woman will really appreciate it, during MENOPAUSE HockeyMom Feb 2012 #29

Do you have a link where republicans are framing on the issue of "free" birth control? CTyankee Feb 2012 #31

No, I was saying they are framing it as a handout... Green_Lantern Feb 2012 #49

And what I am trying to tell you is that women hear what you have just said and think CTyankee Feb 2012 #50

oh, definitely on Santorum I agree Green_Lantern Feb 2012 #56

and if he is the repub. nominee for president, what will other republicans do? CTyankee Feb 2012 #68

If Santorum gets nominated I bet he'll focus on the economy and be more general on Green_Lantern Feb 2012 #70

do you honestly believe that the Dems will let him run only on the economy? CTyankee Feb 2012 #81

I think you missed the point DearAbby Feb 2012 #33

This is the critical point! I don't know if the OP is male or female but CTyankee Feb 2012 #35

+++ to both this and the post to which is being replied. salin Feb 2012 #36

and that's why the right is not overtly saying to ban birth control.. Green_Lantern Feb 2012 #41

Oh, but they ARE overtly saying to ban birth control... CTyankee Feb 2012 #47

as I said before Santorum is a different story... Green_Lantern Feb 2012 #64

I agree. They couldn't go over the cliff any more dramatically IMO... CTyankee Feb 2012 #67

insult or not...the frame of slutty women has worked for the right.. Green_Lantern Feb 2012 #37

You keep on saying how effective their strategy is...I am beginning to wonder about CTyankee Feb 2012 #48

I'm not glad when they are effective.. Green_Lantern Feb 2012 #61

It seems to me that the RW is only effective when they can marginalize issues to their CTyankee Feb 2012 #65

Maybe but I never thought I'd hear a letter about contraception read at church either Green_Lantern Feb 2012 #72

and I'll bet you weren't the only Catholic who thought that! CTyankee Feb 2012 #74

I said it was a free commercial for Obama... Green_Lantern Feb 2012 #76

Really? Rex Feb 2012 #59

it worked enough to reelect Bush.. Green_Lantern Feb 2012 #63

No, the 'lockdown' in Ohio worked to get Bush relected Rex Feb 2012 #66

Thank you. n/t myrna minx Feb 2012 #38

If Santorum is the candidate they can be confident marlakay Feb 2012 #71

a President cannot ban birth control without Congress Green_Lantern Feb 2012 #73

What evidence, relative to this particular context, LanternWaste Feb 2012 #75

what do you mean? trend towards what? Green_Lantern Feb 2012 #77

Historical voting trends for women in the past 35 years are contrary to this statement... LanternWaste Feb 2012 #78

I never said additional female voters.. Green_Lantern Feb 2012 #79

If they don't gain voters then what is the concern? TheKentuckian Feb 2012 #82