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In reply to the discussion: NOW It IS About Snowden. [View all]LiberalLovinLug
(14,144 posts)93. You missed the point
The OP is saying that its the State itself that has made Snowden into a hero (or anti-hero). Either way in their shift to focus the attention on the man and not "the creeping in of the police state", their hope was to demonize him so that anything associated with him would be dismissed and ignored. Instead, in spite of their best efforts, most Americans, and most citizens of the world do not think he is a demon, but support what he has done.
All this has in fact created a platform for discussion on those very topics. This OP is simply about that phenomenon. There are other threads that deal with the actual leaks themselves.
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WE could, and we will. They cannot stop that, but if they want to make it about Snowden
sabrina 1
Jul 2013
#2
King is the one who said 'we count the votes' meaning I guess, Republicans. They own the voting
sabrina 1
Jul 2013
#111
funny, I started a thread yesterday about HOW the FBI/NSA accesses lines. Sank like a stone
KittyWampus
Jul 2013
#22
Well, that's because THEY made it about Snowden. So if you want to get attention for
sabrina 1
Jul 2013
#38
There may be great products for puppies, but at all costs "they" will deny any
R. Daneel Olivaw
Jul 2013
#129
You're not suggesting that they would be selling our data to Big Corps, and whoever else wants
sabrina 1
Jul 2013
#132
It is so curious that there is a movement to do just that on a "Democratic" message board.
R. Daneel Olivaw
Jul 2013
#106
Good point. They will have to redirect and expand their smears toward the public now.
reformist2
Jul 2013
#4
And the more they do that, the more desperate they look and the more we wonder 'what are they
sabrina 1
Jul 2013
#5
Be more specific because when election season rolls around as it always does, we will be
sabrina 1
Jul 2013
#136
Lol, I wondered if you were serious or not, but you never know these days on Du so
sabrina 1
Jul 2013
#138
It's not POLICY hen you call Obama a NAZI, a "Corporatist", an "Authorarian"
ConservativeDemocrat
Jul 2013
#160
You know as well as I do that "calling out" other posts is against DU rules
ConservativeDemocrat
Jul 2013
#182
The "you" in that context was clearly not intended to be personal to "bvar22"
ConservativeDemocrat
Jul 2013
#186
And there it is again, the personalization of issues, 'your hero' v 'our hero'.
sabrina 1
Jul 2013
#135
I've seen that one. And Ellsberg too. I can't keep up with the Liberals who have been trashed
sabrina 1
Jul 2013
#131
More Germans supported prosecuting their Whistle Blowers also, they were wrong. They fell
sabrina 1
Jul 2013
#9
What makes you think anyone is different from them? The point of the lessons that were
sabrina 1
Jul 2013
#56
We ARE different in some ways, smarter maybe in that we keep up appearances while
sabrina 1
Jul 2013
#77
Those who forget history are doomed to repeat it. Never forget, it is one of the more recent
sabrina 1
Jul 2013
#42
I get the impression you dont like whistle-blowers. And what's your definition of "progressive"? nm
rhett o rick
Jul 2013
#70
So you believe the state is always right? Never a time to challenge the authoritarian state?
rhett o rick
Jul 2013
#171
I see a lot of the same trends in the US now that were present in Germany in the 1930s.
JDPriestly
Jul 2013
#172
Would you agree that Eastern Europe during the Soviet period were paranoid states?
JDPriestly
Jul 2013
#178
Do you know what the Nazis did to those who dared to speak out against them?
sabrina 1
Jul 2013
#148
These people choose submission to authority. When you challenge their authority figure or state,
rhett o rick
Jul 2013
#74
It takes a "Constitutional Scholar", and 5 "Strict Constructionists" Supreme Court Justices
Demeter
Jul 2013
#10
I haven't met a Snowden fan here yet. I have met and read several individuals
R. Daneel Olivaw
Jul 2013
#114
And the Surveillance State is still the issue, no matter how much effort is put into trying to
sabrina 1
Jul 2013
#130
What's the difference? Both offended their governments, both were pursued by their governments
sabrina 1
Jul 2013
#44
And then there was Awlaki's 16 yr old son, droned to death on his way to a party.
sabrina 1
Jul 2013
#154
The analogy fit pretty well, and hit close to the bone from the sound of it.
R. Daneel Olivaw
Jul 2013
#115
You have not yet reached enlightenment. Please continue, Proud Liberal Dem.
R. Daneel Olivaw
Jul 2013
#127
See Bradley Manning. Tortured, kept in solitary confinement until the UN and State Dept
sabrina 1
Jul 2013
#133
It sounds like he was mentally unstable and being kept under suicide/prevention of injury watch
Proud Liberal Dem
Jul 2013
#157
That lie, told to try to cover the treatment when it received world wide comdemnation,
sabrina 1
Jul 2013
#162
Actually, I'll side with Snowden over traitor Peter King. It's still about SPYING and LYING.
chimpymustgo
Jul 2013
#23
Yes, I forgot about that one, that he gave secrets to the Chinese etc. Without a shred of
sabrina 1
Jul 2013
#37
The Chinese are spying on everyone also and most likely knew all of this anyhow..
sabrina 1
Jul 2013
#47
I still don't get it, will have to look it up. Thanks though. Also I thought she
JaneyVee
Jul 2013
#35
Before I had time to figure it out, they had moved quickly to the next one on the list. Things
sabrina 1
Jul 2013
#50
'Not on Social Media'!! That's an interesting little item considering the claims that they had found
sabrina 1
Jul 2013
#183
Snowden is a traitor because he turned on the lights and exposed what the government is doing
Tierra_y_Libertad
Jul 2013
#40
I guess TT never heard of the KKK in Virginia... or will he create one about it?
Amonester
Jul 2013
#41
Did anyone say that crime should be ignored? I think we are saying the OPPOSITE. CRIME
sabrina 1
Jul 2013
#46
I hope so too, but since actually, it seems they do let them grow their foolish stupidity
Amonester
Jul 2013
#48
Or maybe they are not surveilling all this data to catch terrorists. Maybe it is 'data mining' to be
sabrina 1
Jul 2013
#49
we apply the principle of accountability to powerless, and the principle of forgiveness to powerful
nashville_brook
Jul 2013
#60
I didn't want to go overboard as some people are a bit sensitive about whose side they are
sabrina 1
Jul 2013
#72
Snowden didn't release anything that was not already known to foreign intelligence services
Fumesucker
Jul 2013
#124
I don't think I agree with you that nothing can be done to stop all this surveillance. All this is
sabrina 1
Jul 2013
#144
I think I know why Snowden quit his job, went to Hong Kong and blew the whistle.
JDPriestly
Jul 2013
#83
Sabrina thank you so much for laying out such a clear argument about why to keep talking about
midnight
Jul 2013
#92
I know, it's incomprehensible that they could be this stupid. Don't they know from history, our
sabrina 1
Jul 2013
#142
I have deep, mad respect for him. Ever since I read of his activities for Madre Tierra years ago
Catherina
Jul 2013
#150
Yes, that was disgusting and proved beyond a doubt the complete dishonesty of those
sabrina 1
Jul 2013
#161
You're so welcome. I stand firmly by his side, and yours, and others on the same wavelength
Catherina
Jul 2013
#164
Snowden's a hero, and a big symbol. I'm fine with him being a lightning rod.
backscatter712
Jul 2013
#159