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Showing Original Post only (View all)NOW It IS About Snowden. [View all]
They made it about Snowden, despite all the efforts to make it about the issues. To most people, it WAS about the issues.But they insisted, the smears, the lies, the talking points, you can always recognize a talking point by how many times it is repeated.
They failed, they tried the 'ballerina' smear, people laughed.
Then there were the 'boxes in the garage' and people laughed even louder.
Because these smear campaigns are so familiar now.
We know this is going to happen and in fact it was predicted two minutes before it began. Right here on DU airc.
Failure doesn't stop them. It costs big money for these smear campaigns.
Not everyone is paid of course, but they can always count on the freebies. Good business always thinks of the bottom line so the fewer paid operatives the better.
HB Gary's planned smear campaign against Glenn Greenwald which was exposed by Anonymous, forever buried all doubt that this is big business for the Private 'Security' Contractors.
So each day after every failure, they sent out more talking points, and every day they got sillier and sillier.
And then a strange thing happened. Rather than turning people AGAINST Snowden, they turned him into an International hero!
THEY did that. THEY insisted on it in fact!
The whole campaign BACKFIRED!
So now, we ALL want to talk about Snowden, to hear what HE has to say.. And people who might not have bothered before ARE listening, because they made him famous.
And he is impressive, when he speaks for himself, people are saying. Daniel Ellsberg is impressed and he should know, better than anonymous people all saying the same boring things on the internet.
If they had ignored Snowden, the world wouldn't be marching in the streets to protect him.
Foreign nations wouldn't be offering him asylum, no one would be thinking about him.
They PERSONALIZED him. They created an image. Not the one they were trying to create, but one that has caused people all the over the world to root for him.
From Hong Kong:
To Missouri, to Denver, to NYC, to London, to Latin America.
He is DAVID fighting GOLIATH. THAT is what they have done:
Just like we rooted for Salman Rushdie. THEY tried to demonize him, they issued a Fatwa on him. People who would never have heard of him, became protective of him. They wanted to save him!! If they had IGNORED him, no one would have ever read his book, which was terrible anyhow, and no one would have wanted to save him.
So let's keep talking about Snowden. It's working, for HIM.
And people are talking about Snowden, all over the world.
They are asking 'what he do' and and when they do, they learn about the information he is releasing.
So when you can't stop them, USE them. After all they are using our tax dollars to pay for all this so we may as well get some use out of it!
Or you could alwys support this man:
'Snowden is a traitor'
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WE could, and we will. They cannot stop that, but if they want to make it about Snowden
sabrina 1
Jul 2013
#2
King is the one who said 'we count the votes' meaning I guess, Republicans. They own the voting
sabrina 1
Jul 2013
#111
funny, I started a thread yesterday about HOW the FBI/NSA accesses lines. Sank like a stone
KittyWampus
Jul 2013
#22
Well, that's because THEY made it about Snowden. So if you want to get attention for
sabrina 1
Jul 2013
#38
There may be great products for puppies, but at all costs "they" will deny any
R. Daneel Olivaw
Jul 2013
#129
You're not suggesting that they would be selling our data to Big Corps, and whoever else wants
sabrina 1
Jul 2013
#132
It is so curious that there is a movement to do just that on a "Democratic" message board.
R. Daneel Olivaw
Jul 2013
#106
Good point. They will have to redirect and expand their smears toward the public now.
reformist2
Jul 2013
#4
And the more they do that, the more desperate they look and the more we wonder 'what are they
sabrina 1
Jul 2013
#5
Be more specific because when election season rolls around as it always does, we will be
sabrina 1
Jul 2013
#136
Lol, I wondered if you were serious or not, but you never know these days on Du so
sabrina 1
Jul 2013
#138
It's not POLICY hen you call Obama a NAZI, a "Corporatist", an "Authorarian"
ConservativeDemocrat
Jul 2013
#160
You know as well as I do that "calling out" other posts is against DU rules
ConservativeDemocrat
Jul 2013
#182
The "you" in that context was clearly not intended to be personal to "bvar22"
ConservativeDemocrat
Jul 2013
#186
And there it is again, the personalization of issues, 'your hero' v 'our hero'.
sabrina 1
Jul 2013
#135
I've seen that one. And Ellsberg too. I can't keep up with the Liberals who have been trashed
sabrina 1
Jul 2013
#131
More Germans supported prosecuting their Whistle Blowers also, they were wrong. They fell
sabrina 1
Jul 2013
#9
What makes you think anyone is different from them? The point of the lessons that were
sabrina 1
Jul 2013
#56
We ARE different in some ways, smarter maybe in that we keep up appearances while
sabrina 1
Jul 2013
#77
Those who forget history are doomed to repeat it. Never forget, it is one of the more recent
sabrina 1
Jul 2013
#42
I get the impression you dont like whistle-blowers. And what's your definition of "progressive"? nm
rhett o rick
Jul 2013
#70
So you believe the state is always right? Never a time to challenge the authoritarian state?
rhett o rick
Jul 2013
#171
I see a lot of the same trends in the US now that were present in Germany in the 1930s.
JDPriestly
Jul 2013
#172
Would you agree that Eastern Europe during the Soviet period were paranoid states?
JDPriestly
Jul 2013
#178
Do you know what the Nazis did to those who dared to speak out against them?
sabrina 1
Jul 2013
#148
These people choose submission to authority. When you challenge their authority figure or state,
rhett o rick
Jul 2013
#74
It takes a "Constitutional Scholar", and 5 "Strict Constructionists" Supreme Court Justices
Demeter
Jul 2013
#10
I haven't met a Snowden fan here yet. I have met and read several individuals
R. Daneel Olivaw
Jul 2013
#114
And the Surveillance State is still the issue, no matter how much effort is put into trying to
sabrina 1
Jul 2013
#130
What's the difference? Both offended their governments, both were pursued by their governments
sabrina 1
Jul 2013
#44
And then there was Awlaki's 16 yr old son, droned to death on his way to a party.
sabrina 1
Jul 2013
#154
The analogy fit pretty well, and hit close to the bone from the sound of it.
R. Daneel Olivaw
Jul 2013
#115
You have not yet reached enlightenment. Please continue, Proud Liberal Dem.
R. Daneel Olivaw
Jul 2013
#127
See Bradley Manning. Tortured, kept in solitary confinement until the UN and State Dept
sabrina 1
Jul 2013
#133
It sounds like he was mentally unstable and being kept under suicide/prevention of injury watch
Proud Liberal Dem
Jul 2013
#157
That lie, told to try to cover the treatment when it received world wide comdemnation,
sabrina 1
Jul 2013
#162
Actually, I'll side with Snowden over traitor Peter King. It's still about SPYING and LYING.
chimpymustgo
Jul 2013
#23
Yes, I forgot about that one, that he gave secrets to the Chinese etc. Without a shred of
sabrina 1
Jul 2013
#37
The Chinese are spying on everyone also and most likely knew all of this anyhow..
sabrina 1
Jul 2013
#47
I still don't get it, will have to look it up. Thanks though. Also I thought she
JaneyVee
Jul 2013
#35
Before I had time to figure it out, they had moved quickly to the next one on the list. Things
sabrina 1
Jul 2013
#50
'Not on Social Media'!! That's an interesting little item considering the claims that they had found
sabrina 1
Jul 2013
#183
Snowden is a traitor because he turned on the lights and exposed what the government is doing
Tierra_y_Libertad
Jul 2013
#40
I guess TT never heard of the KKK in Virginia... or will he create one about it?
Amonester
Jul 2013
#41
Did anyone say that crime should be ignored? I think we are saying the OPPOSITE. CRIME
sabrina 1
Jul 2013
#46
I hope so too, but since actually, it seems they do let them grow their foolish stupidity
Amonester
Jul 2013
#48
Or maybe they are not surveilling all this data to catch terrorists. Maybe it is 'data mining' to be
sabrina 1
Jul 2013
#49
we apply the principle of accountability to powerless, and the principle of forgiveness to powerful
nashville_brook
Jul 2013
#60
I didn't want to go overboard as some people are a bit sensitive about whose side they are
sabrina 1
Jul 2013
#72
Snowden didn't release anything that was not already known to foreign intelligence services
Fumesucker
Jul 2013
#124
I don't think I agree with you that nothing can be done to stop all this surveillance. All this is
sabrina 1
Jul 2013
#144
I think I know why Snowden quit his job, went to Hong Kong and blew the whistle.
JDPriestly
Jul 2013
#83
Sabrina thank you so much for laying out such a clear argument about why to keep talking about
midnight
Jul 2013
#92
I know, it's incomprehensible that they could be this stupid. Don't they know from history, our
sabrina 1
Jul 2013
#142
I have deep, mad respect for him. Ever since I read of his activities for Madre Tierra years ago
Catherina
Jul 2013
#150
Yes, that was disgusting and proved beyond a doubt the complete dishonesty of those
sabrina 1
Jul 2013
#161
You're so welcome. I stand firmly by his side, and yours, and others on the same wavelength
Catherina
Jul 2013
#164
Snowden's a hero, and a big symbol. I'm fine with him being a lightning rod.
backscatter712
Jul 2013
#159