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108. That's the problem. Obama is irrelevant to the rightward drift.
Sun Jul 7, 2013, 07:12 PM
Jul 2013

Certainly as irrelevant as Snowden is.

Those who support these policies have much to gain by making it about him. The ensuing clusterfuck allows the rightward drift to continue unabated.

I don't care who is occupying the White House. It has to stop. The fact that the current President is not stopping it is unsurprising.

no, he has not Skittles Jul 2013 #1
So true! cthulu2016 Jul 2013 #13
Obama is extremely intelligent Skittles Jul 2013 #17
agreed n/t RainDog Jul 2013 #24
WQe have divided ourselves, refusing to deal with facts and information that we don't like. nt kelliekat44 Jul 2013 #215
Sure, he's "smart." duffyduff Jul 2013 #92
well, Dubya proves that education does not equal intelligence Skittles Jul 2013 #107
So he "Chooses" to use his intelligence Against the Middle Class FreakinDJ Jul 2013 #121
how he "chooses" to use his intelligence is an entirely different matter Skittles Jul 2013 #122
Deception is a choice FreakinDJ Jul 2013 #125
Post removed Post removed Jul 2013 #139
go back to the freak republic Skittles Jul 2013 #143
He's gone. uppityperson Jul 2013 #161
I hate it when they aren't even entertaining Skittles Jul 2013 #162
+ a gazillion. nt Mojorabbit Jul 2013 #142
you know what's funny about all this? RainDog Jul 2013 #241
well you like me then Skittles Jul 2013 #273
Here come the nondonors to supply you with affirmation, Mike...eom Kolesar Jul 2013 #2
Non donors mick063 Jul 2013 #8
I'm a donor...and I totally agree with him. loudsue Jul 2013 #33
Donor here, but with a correction. Obama POLICIES especially on some issues, not all sabrina 1 Jul 2013 #158
Gee, pecwae Jul 2013 #171
Does having enough discretionary income... NCTraveler Jul 2013 #228
We certainly do pretend relevance when none exists. LanternWaste Jul 2013 #256
What does not donating have to do with this? bigwillq Jul 2013 #271
That's all you got? Egalitarian Thug Jul 2013 #306
They call it "separating the wheat from the chaffe" mick063 Jul 2013 #3
Well I knew I believed. zeemike Jul 2013 #9
Who showed you? A RW troll who thinks Ron Paul is "dreamy" and a serial Obama basher? ucrdem Jul 2013 #16
Ron Paul is an ass mick063 Jul 2013 #30
There is an army of apologists that show up every time someone criticizes Obama. loudsue Jul 2013 #41
And this thread proves the OP is correct. mick063 Jul 2013 #50
I think they've driven a lot of people away from Obama with their tactics. Marr Jul 2013 #96
Not just when "someone" criticizes Bobbie Jo Jul 2013 #133
Good point, they should discuss what a nice smile/family/doggie he has... Demo_Chris Jul 2013 #167
Thanks for the example, "Demo" Chris Bobbie Jo Jul 2013 #175
Good post. Demit Jul 2013 #178
maybe we should just dehumanize him and his family. That'll get us what we want bigtree Jul 2013 #253
Maybe we should concern ourselves with the job he is doing, the principles he follows.... Demo_Chris Jul 2013 #268
I was determined that you not have your way in electing Mitt bigtree Jul 2013 #270
Weak argument accusing me of supporting a Republican, but I guess it's all you have. nt Demo_Chris Jul 2013 #274
waste of time trying to deconstruct such an ignorant premise bigtree Jul 2013 #278
Again, it is kin to with us or against us. zeemike Jul 2013 #34
It's even simpler. Snowden and Greenwald lied. ucrdem Jul 2013 #42
And I am sure you know a lie when you see it, zeemike Jul 2013 #57
It's not all that hard. Snowden was slicing baloney all the way ucrdem Jul 2013 #59
Well don't give your secrets away zeemike Jul 2013 #68
How about Clapper? Do you condemn him for lying? Marr Jul 2013 #98
A "misleading response" from Clapper is a lie from Obama. Divernan Jul 2013 #117
Exactly. Just more rabble rousing. I don't believe his crap for a second. Anyone paying attention okaawhatever Jul 2013 #104
+1000!!! Walk away Jul 2013 #233
Thank you...Rep. Grayson. busterbrown Jul 2013 #111
I'm reminded of ... GeorgeGist Jul 2013 #4
No one is saying 'You are either with Obama or against him.' randome Jul 2013 #5
Yes, remarkable: Like PROPOSING Chained CPI to throw millions of seniors into poverty. loudsue Jul 2013 #44
zeemike, how hard would it be for posters here to at least pretend to respect the guy? ucrdem Jul 2013 #6
I have seen no one here disrespect him zeemike Jul 2013 #21
Why should you demand pretense of respect for President Obama while constantly lying about or Hissyspit Jul 2013 #53
Because I didn't vote for Greenwald and I wouldn't in a million years. ucrdem Jul 2013 #55
Nobody votes for journalists. Hissyspit Jul 2013 #95
So just say you're not voting in 2014 . . . brush Jul 2013 #7
I have voted in every election and have no plans to change that. zeemike Jul 2013 #26
I'm saying vote and vote for democrats brush Jul 2013 #32
Well if it will drive them to vote for the GOP zeemike Jul 2013 #40
Its difficult to tell the difference at times now. HooptieWagon Jul 2013 #71
I know what you mean. zeemike Jul 2013 #77
Criticism of Obama will not drive me to vote for Republicans. LWolf Jul 2013 #116
So? Bradical79 Jul 2013 #206
Don't give them that much credit. The party in the WH almost always loses seats in the midterms. Tarheel_Dem Jul 2013 #266
imo it's just becoming more and more clear that... polichick Jul 2013 #10
No, it wasn't Obama. jazzimov Jul 2013 #11
We were always divided. In ANY group of followers, hughee99 Jul 2013 #52
criticize him all you want. But please #1. also criticize Republicans. #2. criticize him for things KittyWampus Jul 2013 #12
Amen, when on DU there is more (and stupid) criticism of the Dem President treestar Jul 2013 #22
Or Do Something Positive... KharmaTrain Jul 2013 #85
That's exactly what's been happening. Bradical79 Jul 2013 #208
This is false on its face, MANY complaints of GITMO go against this. uponit7771 Jul 2013 #219
NO. DU members that can't fucking accept the reality that the world is not a perfect place and bluestate10 Jul 2013 #14
I said on a post the other day that I was fed up with Obama's bullshit, and it was deleted. loudsue Jul 2013 #47
You claim on donor bases is dead wrong. The republican and democratic donor bases bluestate10 Jul 2013 #69
Whew!! You are SERIOUSLY misinformed. loudsue Jul 2013 #89
You said it, loudsue. nt LWolf Jul 2013 #118
The world isn't perfect so shut up and learn to love Big Brother! MNBrewer Jul 2013 #87
+1 whatchamacallit Jul 2013 #188
Might as well have voted for Romney Bradical79 Jul 2013 #211
Or perhaps he revealed who some of us always were. nt Demo_Chris Jul 2013 #15
Why, because the ship of state is constructed like the Titanic, Warpy Jul 2013 #18
We aren't divided. nt bemildred Jul 2013 #19
No one says he can't be criticized treestar Jul 2013 #20
No one says it zeemike Jul 2013 #31
until I quit being call a fangirl for not agreeing with every stupid and irrational criticism treestar Jul 2013 #38
no, it is the lack of respect for differing opinions that has divided us. hollysmom Jul 2013 #23
Huh? The country has been bitterly divided since the Vietnam War struggle4progress Jul 2013 #25
Yes it has. zeemike Jul 2013 #28
pfft! The Democratic Party has been divided since long before Will Rogers' time struggle4progress Jul 2013 #37
except we were so divided hfojvt Jul 2013 #27
So, 2 months in you were calling people who didn't agree with PBO "Naderites"? MelungeonWoman Jul 2013 #183
there needs to be a name for a group hfojvt Jul 2013 #235
No he hasn't. Progressive dog Jul 2013 #29
Is sticking a tube down someones thought to feed them just being kind? zeemike Jul 2013 #46
Released prisoners would reveal horrendous US practices to the world. Divernan Jul 2013 #132
That would be disturbing to all but a sociopath. zeemike Jul 2013 #144
I am very critical of President Obama on this point and on several others, BUT . . . markpkessinger Jul 2013 #160
On Gitmo, he did not need the congress to close it. zeemike Jul 2013 #164
Fair enough . . . markpkessinger Jul 2013 #165
And Lieberman suffered no consequences from the Democratic party. None. Demit Jul 2013 #189
Did you forget it was 5 or 6 or 7 months til Al Franken was seated? One of the biggest liberals? graham4anything Jul 2013 #201
Uh, that's what made it the possible 60 votes. I remember it well. Demit Jul 2013 #224
Letting them starve would also be torture Progressive dog Jul 2013 #272
No it would not be torture zeemike Jul 2013 #275
That is your opinion but historically most governments Progressive dog Jul 2013 #279
It is nor an opinion it is the definition of the word zeemike Jul 2013 #281
Legal definitions are sometimes different than dictionary definitions Progressive dog Jul 2013 #282
The torture of waiting in suspense is not what we are talking about now is it? zeemike Jul 2013 #283
No it isn't, you gave the dictionary definition and Progressive dog Jul 2013 #286
I gave the dictionary definition zeemike Jul 2013 #290
Your definition of torture is whatever you'd like it to be Progressive dog Jul 2013 #295
I cut and pasted the entire definition from the dictionary zeemike Jul 2013 #296
So thinking is not necessary, cut and paste Progressive dog Jul 2013 #297
And you have convinced me you can weasel out of anything.n/t zeemike Jul 2013 #298
Written like a true non-thinker Progressive dog Jul 2013 #299
The status of reality on the ground dictates all, inho. How people feel and react is wholly a silvershadow Jul 2013 #35
Here we go again. Gman Jul 2013 #36
As did that browbeating people for... 99Forever Jul 2013 #43
The President ProSense Jul 2013 #49
This message was self-deleted by its author 99Forever Jul 2013 #54
The ProSense Jul 2013 #61
This message was self-deleted by its author 99Forever Jul 2013 #64
Yup, that election worked out great Gman Jul 2013 #60
And this is Obama's fault too? Sheepshank Jul 2013 #39
Another overly simplified, binary-thinking OP CakeGrrl Jul 2013 #45
"As always, you have NOTHING to back up assertion " zeemike Jul 2013 #51
People criticize POTUS here daily CakeGrrl Jul 2013 #72
People who are criticizing Obama here daily are getting their posts deleted. loudsue Jul 2013 #97
OBAMA'S DELETING MY POSTS!!! Skraxx Jul 2013 #112
. Bobbie Jo Jul 2013 #153
LOL!!!! JoePhilly Jul 2013 #203
Oh please vdogg Jul 2013 #134
And the dems will not counter it by recycling third way dems. zeemike Jul 2013 #195
Haha, I dismissed it after she misused 'inferring'. Demit Jul 2013 #192
Just like I'm dismissing you for this pathetic "gotcha" attempt. Bobbie Jo Jul 2013 #234
Nope. She clearly means to refer to what the OP was implying. Demit Jul 2013 #255
Really? CakeGrrl Jul 2013 #289
May I imply from your response that you think the words are interchangeable? Demit Jul 2013 #294
Go right ahead. CakeGrrl Jul 2013 #305
+1 great white snark Jul 2013 #67
Correction: some people have removed themselves baldguy Jul 2013 #48
WE have divided us. PDJane Jul 2013 #56
And it has been over Obama. zeemike Jul 2013 #63
Obama is a great guy, but not perfect. And no-one has unconditional support. PDJane Jul 2013 #66
Sure as hell looks unconditional to me. zeemike Jul 2013 #70
What is a "succulence state"? n/t Summer Hathaway Jul 2013 #109
Ooops....thank you zeemike Jul 2013 #115
the state of this thread bigtree Jul 2013 #267
Perfect! Summer Hathaway Jul 2013 #269
Obama has been the best Republican president in my lifetime. HooptieWagon Jul 2013 #80
Thread winner. Beautifully said. And some have been sowing this division since very early in the Number23 Jul 2013 #110
Bingo CakeGrrl Jul 2013 #137
It is those that have either fallen for the hype or just need to hate a leader that has divided us. Lady Freedom Returns Jul 2013 #58
Well said. Also, the 'Obama dividing meme' is out of Rush and FNN's mouths. freshwest Jul 2013 #79
I agree. TransitJohn Jul 2013 #62
more b.s. spanone Jul 2013 #65
Kami sama help us, if we lose the next Election.. AsahinaKimi Jul 2013 #73
Unfortunately, that is the trend Art_from_Ark Jul 2013 #191
sou desu AsahinaKimi Jul 2013 #223
The trend is definitely against us Art_from_Ark Jul 2013 #265
We don't all agree, and its Obama's fault? bhikkhu Jul 2013 #74
People here were divided before Obama ever came along. pnwmom Jul 2013 #75
the man has done an outstanding job Botany Jul 2013 #76
Most Democrats are not divided. DCBob Jul 2013 #78
If we're so small in numbers does that mean you don't need our votes? magellan Jul 2013 #124
Its none of my business how you vote.. but I would think a real Democrat would vote for Democrats. DCBob Jul 2013 #135
I'm an independent magellan Jul 2013 #140
I'm a new independent magellan. I've always considered myself and democrat and have always voted liberal_at_heart Jul 2013 #157
I feel very fortunate to have Grayson as a rep magellan Jul 2013 #226
I was an Independent in the 90's but then Bush came along... DCBob Jul 2013 #170
Ride the fence? magellan Jul 2013 #222
This message was self-deleted by its author magellan Jul 2013 #140
I'm not a real democrat, not a democrat at all. You know the whole a real Democrat would vote liberal_at_heart Jul 2013 #155
Actually.. DCBob Jul 2013 #169
Ridiculous. It is the issues which are dividing people. Live and Learn Jul 2013 #81
And it is being done OVER Obama. zeemike Jul 2013 #84
Exaggerate much? Bobbie Jo Jul 2013 #212
Just what did I exaggerate about? zeemike Jul 2013 #214
Your post: Bobbie Jo Jul 2013 #216
"all-inclusiveness" zeemike Jul 2013 #218
Seems your opinion Bobbie Jo Jul 2013 #225
Whether or not you actually believe that crap, it would appear that you're engaging in a little.... Tarheel_Dem Jul 2013 #247
Link to it please. zeemike Jul 2013 #248
Your claim was a broadbrushed one, so was mine! "Division" didn't start with Obama. Tarheel_Dem Jul 2013 #261
You made the claim and the burden of proof is on you. zeemike Jul 2013 #263
I call bullshit liberal N proud Jul 2013 #82
Exactly. And no one wants to admit to co-opting those tactics. CakeGrrl Jul 2013 #113
We're dividing ourselves graywarrior Jul 2013 #83
+1 krawhitham Jul 2013 #101
You seem pretty smart LadyHawkAZ Jul 2013 #119
I'm smart to 50% here graywarrior Jul 2013 #123
YUP ... and the right will be even happier when ... JoePhilly Jul 2013 #204
It all comes down to this for me graywarrior Jul 2013 #258
lol JoePhilly Jul 2013 #259
Sigh. I think one side trusts him and the other side does not. Kahuna Jul 2013 #86
Wrong. It has nothing to do with him. Live and Learn Jul 2013 #88
I'm glad you think you need to go off topic and give me a lecture. Kahuna Jul 2013 #93
Umm, I don't think i will be taking advice about arrogance from someone Live and Learn Jul 2013 #129
That's kahuna with a small K. So much for your power Kahuna Jul 2013 #172
No he has not, some here like to try that tactic. Rex Jul 2013 #90
Divisions were preexisting. creon Jul 2013 #91
My worry is that it's not Obama....but, our Dem Party who Chose to Ignore Us... KoKo Jul 2013 #94
As I said up thread Obama is the football zeemike Jul 2013 #100
It seems to me that the goal of this thread is to divide people and Skidmore Jul 2013 #106
The OP was ABOUT being divided. zeemike Jul 2013 #126
Agree. pecwae Jul 2013 #173
I would say it's principle that is dividing us. rug Jul 2013 #99
And I would say that principles is what team we are on. zeemike Jul 2013 #102
I don't think anything can be discerned about his principles. rug Jul 2013 #103
I was talking about our principles. zeemike Jul 2013 #105
That's the problem. Obama is irrelevant to the rightward drift. rug Jul 2013 #108
I know this will p*ss a lot of people off.... azbillyboy Jul 2013 #114
The mid-term elections are only 16 months away. Major Hogwash Jul 2013 #128
Sorry about that azbillyboy Jul 2013 #302
You speak the truth LittleBlue Jul 2013 #120
The truth is ...I don't agree with your premise. Zen Democrat Jul 2013 #127
DU is not representative of reality. n/t Lil Missy Jul 2013 #130
I support Obama because he's been the most progressive president since LBJ Yavin4 Jul 2013 #131
Blaming the victim again? longship Jul 2013 #136
+1000 Amonester Jul 2013 #146
He had nothing to do with gay rights. zeemike Jul 2013 #147
Yes, I know. Biden started it in the Executive. longship Jul 2013 #148
thank you!! handmade34 Jul 2013 #196
+ another 1,000 Zen Democrat Jul 2013 #252
Damn you Obama!!!!11111one tridim Jul 2013 #138
Let's first tell the fake super-uber-pseudo-Progressive trolls... gulliver Jul 2013 #145
So your suggestion then is to divide us zeemike Jul 2013 #149
Remove the mindless derp from that post and there is little left. Bonobo Jul 2013 #152
LOL exactly what I thought after reading it. As if the Dem party apparatus is Demit Jul 2013 #197
Those people have a very good point. Most people want to address the ISSUES. Some people liberal_at_heart Jul 2013 #150
I think you express it WELL... MrMickeysMom Jul 2013 #181
This is what it comes down to Harmony Blue Jul 2013 #205
Yes, people are disappointed. Bonobo Jul 2013 #151
You got it right in your last paragraph. "We divided ourselves." nt nyquil_man Jul 2013 #154
revised: Feels they could never, should never, and would never bobduca Jul 2013 #156
Yes, it most certainly is Obama's Fault === NOT! Coyotl Jul 2013 #159
Yep crank it up to absurdity lever 11 zeemike Jul 2013 #163
Thanks for playing! LostOne4Ever Jul 2013 #166
Ah, cheer up, little grasshopper ... Summer Hathaway Jul 2013 #168
The division existed before Obama quaker bill Jul 2013 #174
As any D-Pres would - being the opposition has its comforts. nt Democracyinkind Jul 2013 #176
Oh Jesus, mean old Obama has caused people to argue on the Internet. geek tragedy Jul 2013 #177
95% of the democratic party strongly supports President Obama and Hillary Clinton. 50-50 is faux graham4anything Jul 2013 #179
Well the patriot act past with that kind of margin zeemike Jul 2013 #180
I don't see any poll that suggests any CORE Obama or Hillary supporter has gone away graham4anything Jul 2013 #182
So those numbers were just off the top of your head. zeemike Jul 2013 #184
Voting rights and abortion and immigration are democratic issues-MORE motivated now than ever graham4anything Jul 2013 #187
Well we agree on that then zeemike Jul 2013 #190
"The house can easily be won"?? Demit Jul 2013 #198
women and minorities are changing the world. 52% of voting public are women graham4anything Jul 2013 #199
Was kind of hoping to hear a strategy on how to combat district gerrymandering, Demit Jul 2013 #230
Doesn't matter because Republican women can vote for the democratic candidate to achieve the 80-20 graham4anything Jul 2013 #232
"One side feels they can criticize him and the other side not" alcibiades_mystery Jul 2013 #185
"outright bullshit"? zeemike Jul 2013 #221
I think there are a lot of trolls here. ananda Jul 2013 #186
how stupid bigtree Jul 2013 #193
And I was one that voted for him twice. zeemike Jul 2013 #217
democratic government 101 bigtree Jul 2013 #238
He ran on hope and change zeemike Jul 2013 #239
those are just cliches bigtree Jul 2013 #240
So you say he fooled us with meaningless cliches. zeemike Jul 2013 #243
you fooled youself bigtree Jul 2013 #244
Well sure it is our fault. zeemike Jul 2013 #245
ridiculous conclusion bigtree Jul 2013 #249
Rediculous rationalization....IMO zeemike Jul 2013 #251
heh bigtree Jul 2013 #257
Not perplexed at all by it zeemike Jul 2013 #262
right. Hyperbole trumps rational discussion bigtree Jul 2013 #264
I am WITH the Prez ... BlueMTexpat Jul 2013 #194
Here's one thing he could have done: supported unions. Demit Jul 2013 #202
+1 JoePhilly Jul 2013 #207
"the most blatant obstructionism since the 1930s. " zeemike Jul 2013 #213
You do realize that … 1StrongBlackMan Jul 2013 #287
+1 uponit7771 Jul 2013 #220
The divide is between those who support Corporatism and those who support People andthesheepgoesbleet Jul 2013 #200
And I agree with that. zeemike Jul 2013 #209
The discussion of Corporations vs People is long over due and andthesheepgoesbleet Jul 2013 #210
corporatism within the democratic party seems to be something some don't want to liberal_at_heart Jul 2013 #284
i think if someone is still supporting obama on a democratic site xiamiam Jul 2013 #227
Obama has not divided us. The extreme right's constant lies has. If you fall into the category of appleannie1 Jul 2013 #229
We divide ourselves. nt patrice Jul 2013 #231
I tend to agree. AtomicKitten Jul 2013 #237
I've criticized him plenty, but I wouldn't say I'm against him. LibAsHell Jul 2013 #236
The Republican Party drove felix_numinous Jul 2013 #242
Divide and conqer, such is the rule of the hoarding class. grahamhgreen Jul 2013 #246
If we lose the next election? nolabels Jul 2013 #250
Interesting. However, we have divided ourselves, I think. MineralMan Jul 2013 #254
I talk to people outside of DU too. zeemike Jul 2013 #280
That division is between your ears michigandem58 Jul 2013 #260
let's face the truth...You were never on our team to begin with. MjolnirTime Jul 2013 #276
Just another Freeper having fun at our expense. OregonBlue Jul 2013 #277
Correction..the Koch bros are dividing this nation Drew Richards Jul 2013 #285
Oh for sure zeemike Jul 2013 #292
Let's face a more obvious truth - we were almost always divided on Obama OmahaBlueDog Jul 2013 #288
And in 2009 we were united zeemike Jul 2013 #291
Maybe there is a divide, but no, I don't believe you. lonestarnot Jul 2013 #293
Divided Long before Obama GoldenOldie Jul 2013 #300
I could not agree more. zeemike Jul 2013 #301
this does go way back. liberal_at_heart Jul 2013 #303
Impossible loyalsister Jul 2013 #304
No Obama had nothing to do with it. zeemike Jul 2013 #307
Just wanted to help clarify loyalsister Jul 2013 #308
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