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I don't think that is it... dkf Jul 2013 #1
If someone had a gun pointed at me gollygee Jul 2013 #4
But the prosecution isn't making that argument are they? dkf Jul 2013 #8
You said YOU didn't believe it was him screaming for that reason gollygee Jul 2013 #9
Like Nailing Jello To The Wall, Ma'am, This One.... The Magistrate Jul 2013 #13
No evidence TM was on the bottom. Can we go with the assumption TM yelling for help while on top? dkf Jul 2013 #20
The Person The Gun Points Towards, Ma'am, Is The Person In Fear.... The Magistrate Jul 2013 #26
He has to be lying about his injuries gollygee Jul 2013 #31
I heard GZ say his head was hit once on the concrete, then he was able to shimmy onto the grass. Honeycombe8 Jul 2013 #66
His legal team said it. He was hit about 12 times. Bashed in the head on the concrete. And he has Maraya1969 Jul 2013 #77
Then why were there no consistant injuries to Trayvons hands? 1monster Jul 2013 #95
I was asking a question: where/when did GZ say his head was hit on concrete 10-30 times? Honeycombe8 Jul 2013 #134
Zimmerman Claimed Martin Struck Him In The Face 25-30 Times. DallasNE Jul 2013 #154
His story was different every time he told it. reusrename Jul 2013 #109
Well, I gather from the responses to my question that GZ did not say his head was bashed Honeycombe8 Jul 2013 #135
The witness who says the Martin kid was on top did NOT see any blows strike anyone. reusrename Jul 2013 #137
He wasn't injured other than the fatal shot, of course. Injured as in a fight. Honeycombe8 Jul 2013 #138
The problem is, nothing you are clinging to makes sense. reusrename Jul 2013 #142
GZ Weighed 204, TM weighed 158. Yes, GZ Was 3 Inches Shorter. So, Who Is Smaller? n/t DallasNE Jul 2013 #155
the person with the gun gets out of his vehicle and pursues someone with no weapon yurbud Jul 2013 #141
Two Eye Witnesses Testified It Was Zimmerman On Top And DallasNE Jul 2013 #151
Which, of course, explains their belief that it was Z who was screaming and not Martin MrScorpio Jul 2013 #5
For me it's the injuries that explain the belief that Z was screaming. dkf Jul 2013 #12
I don't understand your logic gollygee Jul 2013 #14
Zimmerman Did Not Scream, Ma'am The Magistrate Jul 2013 #15
I have no experience with being beaten so honestly I do not know. dkf Jul 2013 #22
Real Fights Are Surprisingly Quiet, Ma'am The Magistrate Jul 2013 #25
Disagree. AtheistCrusader Jul 2013 #32
You Can Fight, Sir, Or Scream: Doing Both At Once Is The Nub The Magistrate Jul 2013 #33
I agree. AtheistCrusader Jul 2013 #37
Just like real drownings are silent because pnwmom Jul 2013 #50
Go out for a jog and try to scream while you are running. You can't be exerting yourself Maraya1969 Jul 2013 #87
That's what you feel. Thank goodness trials are based on evidence and not feelings. Honeycombe8 Jul 2013 #67
That Is What Happened, Ma'am The Magistrate Jul 2013 #68
What a condescending little post from a very little man, sir. Maybe some hormones... Honeycombe8 Jul 2013 #136
You Crippled Back After Twenty-Four Hours With That, Ma'am? The Magistrate Jul 2013 #140
No, The Magistrate got it absolutely right, this is all about guns for you. Ikonoklast Jul 2013 #160
You mean the lack of any DNA of Z's under Martin's fingernails or on his clothes or hands? One Maraya1969 Jul 2013 #81
Not Exactly DallasNE Jul 2013 #156
Except Z didn't suffer any life threatening injuries, just a few superficial ones from the struggle MrScorpio Jul 2013 #16
You are dealing with a bunch of jurors more like me than you...ie female. dkf Jul 2013 #23
Now really, who do you think initiated contact? MrScorpio Jul 2013 #24
My gut says I don't know. dkf Jul 2013 #49
"I don't know", is I guess, the safe answer MrScorpio Jul 2013 #55
That is actually the way to get 2nd... dkf Jul 2013 #59
Well, given what you've just said about Z's apparent malignant aggression... MrScorpio Jul 2013 #61
No. I think the words attributed to TM are suspect. dkf Jul 2013 #62
What about, "You're going to die tonight" Everyone says that when they are going into Maraya1969 Jul 2013 #89
Trayvon's hands, forensically, suggest to me that he never put up a serious fight AtheistCrusader Jul 2013 #58
If TM was on top of Z, how could a gun shot enter the front of TM's chest? DhhD Jul 2013 #74
One Possibility DallasNE Jul 2013 #157
But that would put the lie to Zimmerman's claim of how the attack went. AtheistCrusader Jul 2013 #162
As a female, and a mother, I find Skidmore Jul 2013 #42
I am suspicious of those words too. dkf Jul 2013 #53
The moral of the Zimmerman story is that Skidmore Jul 2013 #56
Sucks to be him. This certainly isn't a lesson in building a good life. dkf Jul 2013 #60
He should have never called the cops in the first place and just gone about HIS own business MrScorpio Jul 2013 #63
Ding, ding, ding.... livvy Jul 2013 #75
I wasn't impressed with the jury pool -- shallow, lacking depth, from a gun culture. pacalo Jul 2013 #43
i'm a female and i find guys who follow like zimmerman creepy , i relate with Trayvon JI7 Jul 2013 #69
I'm a woman and they look superficial to me. If your kid came home with those cuts on Maraya1969 Jul 2013 #88
sorry but you don't speak for all of us females. To me the only fact that matters is that liberal_at_heart Jul 2013 #158
If it had been Zimmerman screaming, he wouldn't have abruptly stopped after the shooting. pacalo Jul 2013 #36
Are you not following the trial? brush Jul 2013 #45
Having been in, perhaps, half a dozen kerfuffles in my life, Diego_Native 2012 Jul 2013 #47
You Have Crossed Over Into Self-Parody, Ma'am The Magistrate Jul 2013 #7
"I can't get into the idea that the guy without injuries was the one screaming for help". notadmblnd Jul 2013 #29
But GZ did have injuries. Bloody seemingly broken or dislodged nose, bloody spot back of head. Honeycombe8 Jul 2013 #65
Zimmerman FlaGranny Jul 2013 #72
I didn't get into all that. I merely pointed out...GZ was injured, TM was not. Honeycombe8 Jul 2013 #139
The guy with the injuries was Trevon Martin. Namely a bullet through his heart. Maraya1969 Jul 2013 #76
You are absolutely right gollygee Jul 2013 #2
Thank You! I know exactly what you are talking about.. HipChick Jul 2013 #3
I grew up on the west side Dyedinthewoolliberal Jul 2013 #6
I think you are correct. From my travels around the country, there sinkingfeeling Jul 2013 #10
I lived in Jamaica Plain my last 4 years in Boston Warpy Jul 2013 #11
"Make sure to lock your doors" is something I hear from bullwinkle428 Jul 2013 #17
Humans find such comfort in ignorance olddots Jul 2013 #18
I will bring you to today, and no I am not proud of that ex neighbor nadinbrzezinski Jul 2013 #19
I've seen that fear. LWolf Jul 2013 #21
wow, that's quite an experience! dionysus Jul 2013 #107
I think your experience is quite common, and that is exactly why i think hedgehog Jul 2013 #27
Without the doubt... TRoN33 Jul 2013 #28
For another point of view, I worked in a nearby city with an African American gentleman who hedgehog Jul 2013 #30
Around the same time as that sideswiping incident, I rode my bike to Eastland Mall MrScorpio Jul 2013 #34
Good post malaise Jul 2013 #35
a few online chats.. grahampuba Jul 2013 #38
"..aren't ALL young Black males just itching to attack any unsuspecting White citizen(s)..." Spitfire of ATJ Jul 2013 #39
Clearly the media and societal and community portrayal of dark skins that does set up.... Sheepshank Jul 2013 #40
Having known a lot of racists over the years Nevernose Jul 2013 #41
That reference that I made to writing an future essay about Z... MrScorpio Jul 2013 #44
that isnt racism. its tribalism. nt galileoreloaded Jul 2013 #51
Sounds kind of like a distinction without a difference, honestly. nomorenomore08 Jul 2013 #147
+1...n/t ms liberty Jul 2013 #71
+1 uponit7771 Jul 2013 #73
Those people who nearly side-swiped you Jamaal510 Jul 2013 #46
It really shocked me to see that level of rudeness in Detroit by those people MrScorpio Jul 2013 #48
yes, it's fear in many cases. HiPointDem Jul 2013 #52
" dazzling array of young Black males of Detroit" Stuart G Jul 2013 #54
I can relate Marrah_G Jul 2013 #57
K&R ReRe Jul 2013 #64
k&r HappyMe Jul 2013 #70
Excellent post. Buzz Clik Jul 2013 #78
Let's see.... Buzz Clik Jul 2013 #83
.. Buzz Clik Jul 2013 #92
Frank: "I am not aware we had such a thing..." Buzz Clik Jul 2013 #105
And of course none of these guys would ever have the stones to say any of this nomorenomore08 Jul 2013 #148
From Detroit, and Gratiot Avenue Faygo Kid Jul 2013 #79
I think this post is racist.... TeeYiYi Jul 2013 #80
-1 Buzz Clik Jul 2013 #84
Are you trying to be provacative? etherealtruth Jul 2013 #90
I don't like racism... TeeYiYi Jul 2013 #91
Bless your heart, you honestly have no idea, do you? etherealtruth Jul 2013 #93
Why do you hang out at CC? ... TeeYiYi Jul 2013 #96
Oh you are just darling etherealtruth Jul 2013 #98
You'll have to provide a link to the ”verbatim” post... TeeYiYi Jul 2013 #100
The thing is about these guys... Buzz Clik Jul 2013 #103
Oh, I know etherealtruth Jul 2013 #106
+1 Buzz Clik Jul 2013 #108
If I had written my narrative in such a way, the way you just did, of course it would sound racist MrScorpio Jul 2013 #111
Why do you have to be so condescending? ... TeeYiYi Jul 2013 #113
What you did was re-write it in such a way to fit your own unrealistic supposition MrScorpio Jul 2013 #115
I didn't rewrite anything. They were your words. TeeYiYi Jul 2013 #116
By changing what you did, you revised the entire tenor and implications of the narrative MrScorpio Jul 2013 #118
My revision... TeeYiYi Jul 2013 #121
I was wondering how long it would take reverse-racism to show up. MrScorpio Jul 2013 #124
I'm not trying to diminish... TeeYiYi Jul 2013 #126
Well, I don't feel the same way MrScorpio Jul 2013 #127
I just don't get where you're coming from at all. Sorry. nomorenomore08 Jul 2013 #149
I have no way of knowing how old you are ...? etherealtruth Jul 2013 #123
I'm 51 myself... MrScorpio Jul 2013 #125
We both know where we have been (and exactly what is being discussed) etherealtruth Jul 2013 #128
Since I've returned to Michigan, I've been living in Macomb County MrScorpio Jul 2013 #131
Me too etherealtruth Jul 2013 #132
The funny thing is that guy never gave me the opportunity to do such a thing... MrScorpio Jul 2013 #114
Thoughtful post to try and see the justifier's point of view, but bigbrother05 Jul 2013 #82
Mr. Scorpio: Question for you about the OP Buzz Clik Jul 2013 #85
I really wasn't angry MrScorpio Jul 2013 #117
Thank you. Buzz Clik Jul 2013 #119
Your story was re-posted on ConservativeCave.com Courtesy Flush Jul 2013 #86
Gee. Buzz Clik Jul 2013 #94
Yawn. nt MrScorpio Jul 2013 #97
Like most racists they pretend white people do not treestar Jul 2013 #102
I really don't have any interest in the opinions of racist trolls MrScorpio Jul 2013 #120
Doesn't it drive you nuts that you can't talk common sense into people like that, Mr. Scorpio? MrMickeysMom Jul 2013 #99
and to me that's ignorance gopiscrap Jul 2013 #101
I scare people. I'm white 6'0 185 lb bearded and don't smile much TrogL Jul 2013 #104
Hello Steviehh Jul 2013 #110
Thanks, Bro MrScorpio Jul 2013 #122
Fear, yes I raise my hands up to it. mwooldri Jul 2013 #112
If the OP is suggesting zeeland Jul 2013 #129
Given Zimmerman's history of aggressive behavior - domestic violence, assaulting a cop - nomorenomore08 Jul 2013 #150
The fault is in their minds, their upbringing and their culture. NOT YOUR SKIN COLOUR! TheMadMonk Jul 2013 #130
Excellent points, all. IrishAyes Jul 2013 #133
Got Attitude? gussmith Jul 2013 #143
you forgot the part where his first reaction was to see if THEY were okay? of course you did. bettyellen Jul 2013 #144
A helpful piece of advice for you since you haven't been posting a lot MrScorpio Jul 2013 #145
great post heaven05 Jul 2013 #146
I just had a co-worker say to me hfojvt Jul 2013 #152
Well, at least they gave you the common courtesy of actually talking to you, did they not? MrScorpio Jul 2013 #153
I don't know about racist but GZ is creepy ass coward. For sure! Jasana Jul 2013 #159
I've thought about your post all weekend. mountain grammy Jul 2013 #161
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