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25. Ah, the attempt to discredit the term, "authoritarian." I predicted this OP.
Thu Jul 4, 2013, 10:37 PM
Jul 2013

I've seen this tactic in several posts lately and figured it would be used for an OP. Authoritarians don't like being called what they are, and since they can't yet prohibit words and restrict others to an approved Newspeak Dictionary, they settle for flailing at and attempting to discredit the individual words they dislike.

This tactic, used less slickly and more openly as elsewhere in this thread, is most amusing in one-to-one settings. When someone uses an accurate word to describe what you are doing or advocating, just put the word in quotation marks, add some exclamation points, and try to neutralize it by pretending it's an epithet instead of an accurate descriptor. We have all seen it here 1,000 times. A person's politics are described as Third Way, and he or she rears up in indignation, expressing shock at the "namecalling."

Well, no. "Third Way" means something. It is not an epithet, but rather descriptive shorthand for a clear and specific set of political values and policies. You can see what "Third Way" means by going to the Third Way website, where the goals and policies - liberal on the social issues unimportant to the One Percent but corporate and authoritarian on virtually everything else - are clearly delineated.

Those who embrace the policies don't want to admit it, so they try to make the term an epithet...something to be banned by a jury so that it can't be accurately applied to them on the forums. And now we are hearing the same sort of defensive attempts to discredit the word when authoritarianism is called "authoritarianism."

Of course "authoritarian" means something. Brazen defense of a government's spying on its own citizens is indisputably authoritarian.

I always picture an indignant poodle rearing up in outrage and exclaiming, "What?! You called me a DOG?!"

Orwell was right. Defending against authoritarianism *requires* defending language, because authoritarians will try to twist, discredit, or take away the words that are necessary for us to describe what is being done to us.



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Newspeak is Ingsoc and Ingsoc is Newspeak.

'Don't you see that the whole aim of Newspeak is to narrow the range of thought? In the end we shall make thoughtcrime literally impossible, because there will be no words in which to express it. Every concept that can ever be needed, will be expressed by exactly one word, with its meaning rigidly defined and all its subsidiary meanings rubbed out and forgotten. Already, in the Eleventh Edition, we're not far from that point. But the process will still be continuing long after you and I are dead. Every year fewer and fewer words, and the range of consciousness always a little smaller. Even now, of course, there's no reason or excuse for committing thoughtcrime. [font color=blue]It's merely a question of self-discipline, reality-control. [/font color]
Orwell, 1984

"Doublethink"
"Thoughtcrime"
"Superlative" CPI
"Ethical" DroneStrikes
"Transparency"
"RealityBasedCommunity"



Is a democratic surveillance state possible? dkf Jul 2013 #1
Anyone seeking to defend the accidentally revealed machinations of the national Warren Stupidity Jul 2013 #2
"They may think that they are Democrats, liberals, progressives" Bolo Boffin Jul 2013 #5
"Accidentally revealed"? Summer Hathaway Jul 2013 #7
That's a very authoritarian viewpoint, Warren. n/t ElboRuum Jul 2013 #21
I think perhaps you have confused authoritative with authoritarian. Warren Stupidity Jul 2013 #47
No, I have not. n/t. ElboRuum Jul 2013 #48
This message was self-deleted by its author Quantess Jul 2013 #3
Oh, I'm sure it is. Bolo Boffin Jul 2013 #6
First attested use is 1859, as a noun Recursion Jul 2013 #4
I've posted about Dr Bob's book quite a few times on DU Fumesucker Jul 2013 #8
I'm glad you have shared it! Bolo Boffin Jul 2013 #10
It's just name calling treestar Jul 2013 #9
It can be, I agree. Bolo Boffin Jul 2013 #11
Wow. You really should read it. n/t Egalitarian Thug Jul 2013 #13
There is some truth to what you say Fumesucker Jul 2013 #18
Yes, it is. ElboRuum Jul 2013 #22
Yes. The irony here is quite thick. CakeGrrl Jul 2013 #34
Altmeyer relies on classic poli sci research nadinbrzezinski Jul 2013 #12
Thanks. Bolo Boffin Jul 2013 #14
Absolutely, it is the best modern introduction IMO nadinbrzezinski Jul 2013 #16
"used on both sides" but currently it's being used as ad hominem & bullying & knee-jerking UTUSN Jul 2013 #15
Have you read the book mentioned in the OP? Fumesucker Jul 2013 #20
no, replying to the word in the current unpleasantness that piqued the o.p. nt UTUSN Jul 2013 #23
The word has an actual specific meaning, at least in context of the book Fumesucker Jul 2013 #26
i.m mildly curious about where u and i are headed in ths colloquy. nt UTUSN Jul 2013 #32
How old are you? bananas Jul 2013 #17
it's not a inherently bad thing BOG PERSON Jul 2013 #24
Altemeyer's book should be required reading! n/t backscatter712 Jul 2013 #19
Ah, the attempt to discredit the term, "authoritarian." I predicted this OP. woo me with science Jul 2013 #25
Yes, if by "discrediting the term" you mean grounding it in science Bolo Boffin Jul 2013 #27
We're absolutely seeing a lot of high-RWAs posting on this board. backscatter712 Jul 2013 #35
"Every time someone questions their worldview, they lash out." Not what Altemeyer says. Bolo Boffin Jul 2013 #46
+1 HiPointDem Jul 2013 #40
The term often has merit, but on the other hand gollygee Jul 2013 #28
Yes, I think that's so. Bolo Boffin Jul 2013 #29
Seriously? It is an old and actual word with meanings in serveral contexts Bluenorthwest Jul 2013 #30
Read the book. Bolo Boffin Jul 2013 #33
Why should everyone read a book written well over a century after the word came into use muriel_volestrangler Jul 2013 #36
Read it, don't read it. Bolo Boffin Jul 2013 #37
If you don't want the answer to "Where did the term "authoritarian" come from?", don't ask it muriel_volestrangler Jul 2013 #38
Thank you for your concern. n/t Bolo Boffin Jul 2013 #39
I'm glad you decided to take this on. . . it's almost juvenile the way these terms are thrown around bigtree Jul 2013 #31
Emoprogs are emo Fumesucker Jul 2013 #41
First Known Use of AUTHORITARIAN---- 1879 Ghost in the Machine Jul 2013 #42
Thank you. Bolo Boffin Jul 2013 #43
"Now, unless you'd like to discuss the book, your assistance is no longer required." LOL!! Ghost in the Machine Jul 2013 #44
You could discuss the book. n/t Bolo Boffin Jul 2013 #45
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