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morningfog

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113. It is because the Democratic President has a real cluster fuck on his hands this time.

Reply to muriel_volestrangler (Reply #30)

Tue Jul 2, 2013, 11:51 PM

Jul 2013

And the US is botching it every step along the way. Those who are hyper-partisan and loyal to Obama have a hard time reconciling their usual ardent support and the nature of what we are learning.

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Bolivian President Morales' plane rerouted, forced to land in Austria on suspicion Snowden on board [View all] Catherina Jul 2013 OP

France and Portugal refusing their air space Catherina Jul 2013 #1

Bolivia: Presidential plane forced to land after false rumors of Snowden onboard Catherina Jul 2013 #2

+1 For lost its mind. limpyhobbler Jul 2013 #19

You're just upset because you want lil Eddie to escape into the Sunset. MjolnirTime Jul 2013 #32

it shuld be Geithner and Bernanke on that plane - trying to avoid jail time. n/t truedelphi Jul 2013 #44

Spain too. Catherina Jul 2013 #3

all of those countries cooperated with CIA abduction flights reorg Jul 2013 #18

Well, that sends a message. stevenleser Jul 2013 #4

That definitely sends a message... kentuck Jul 2013 #5

Message is, the places he can go in the world, or even overfly or stop in, are few and far between stevenleser Jul 2013 #6

I don't think the Administration sent that message, though it's true flamingdem Jul 2013 #7

What unfavorable reactions? Renew Deal Jul 2013 #53

Plus "fuck you Bolivia, we'll push your president around when we feel like it" muriel_volestrangler Jul 2013 #8

The only "they" are the countries that have strong treaties with the USA flamingdem Jul 2013 #10

A surprising coincidence that 3 countries reacted in the same way muriel_volestrangler Jul 2013 #14

Blame Assange. Think of who is motivated to cause chaos nt flamingdem Jul 2013 #15

Wow, your kneejerk "Assange is an evil poopyhead responsible for the world's ills" reply muriel_volestrangler Jul 2013 #24

Amen. Romulus Quirinus Jul 2013 #28

It's the lowest I've ever seen DU (nt) muriel_volestrangler Jul 2013 #30

Indicates the importance of the issue marions ghost Jul 2013 #58

Just wait. kenny blankenship Jul 2013 #71

It is because the Democratic President has a real cluster fuck on his hands this time. morningfog Jul 2013 #113

It is creeping me out too. nt Mojorabbit Jul 2013 #76

Well, given the admin's stunning tolerance of racism on their site... Scootaloo Jul 2013 #80

I was wondering about that - isn't it an international incident or something? Sheldon Cooper Jul 2013 #21

He's the one who needed gas. MjolnirTime Jul 2013 #35

Agreed. This is a hot potato nobody wants. -nt CakeGrrl Jul 2013 #11

Anything goes. East Coast Pirate Jul 2013 #31

Several of these countries have no problem disagreeing with us stevenleser Jul 2013 #55

I was talking about not refuling the president of a country's plane. East Coast Pirate Jul 2013 #59

I was talking about how your post doesn't make any sense blaming the US for the acts of Europe stevenleser Jul 2013 #61

Oh, the party line. East Coast Pirate Jul 2013 #65

Oh, the know-nothing line. Accuse with no backup just because you want to accuse. stevenleser Jul 2013 #66

Are you trying to change his mind, or are you just mugging for the audience? mt Romulus Quirinus Jul 2013 #110

So how MANY countries is France reorg Jul 2013 #72

Message is, European states still regard Bolivia as a vassal. Scootaloo Jul 2013 #73

Ecuador calling for an emergency session of UNASUR for this "tremendous offense" Catherina Jul 2013 #9

So now they're furious with Europe? flamingdem Jul 2013 #13

You do not get how big of a violation of protocols this is. nadinbrzezinski Jul 2013 #16

Only an international lawyer does, it might end up in court flamingdem Jul 2013 #17

Recall of ambassadors nadinbrzezinski Jul 2013 #22

Blame Assange, he pulls the levers and plants the rumors flamingdem Jul 2013 #25

You can blame the ghosts if you care to nadinbrzezinski Jul 2013 #27

I see who you are attempting to blame... zappaman Jul 2013 #57

That seems like a ridiculous accusation to me but I have an open mind Mojorabbit Jul 2013 #79

Julian does all this by conjuring the power of satan with his magic hubcap diamond star halo. Zorra Jul 2013 #114

GOLDSTEIN!!! frylock Jul 2013 #123

Here, let me help you with that quotation: muriel_volestrangler Jul 2013 #26

How big a violation is the lie that created the situation? n/t ProSense Jul 2013 #23

sorry, Ecuador. nobody cares. MjolnirTime Jul 2013 #36

Buzz. nadinbrzezinski Jul 2013 #40

Clearly, they hate us for our freedoms. nt Romulus Quirinus Jul 2013 #111

Lol! Please, please, let this be a joint set up by Maduro, Morales, and Correa. Zorra Jul 2013 #86

Zorra I seriously hope so. Catherina Jul 2013 #88

If our government did not do evil at the behest of the 1%, there would be no need Zorra Jul 2013 #100

I just checked on Maduro's jet Catherina Jul 2013 #103

That would be awesome. morningfog Jul 2013 #115

The plane is a Dassault Falcon 900EX Catherina Jul 2013 #12

The extent te US is going nadinbrzezinski Jul 2013 #20

said he was 29 yr old hacker lunasun Jul 2013 #101

That is the action of an empire, not a democracy. Octafish Jul 2013 #29

I wonder what kinds of threats are going to the junior nadinbrzezinski Jul 2013 #33

"They have completely lost balance – George Orwell is nothing by comparison." Catherina Jul 2013 #56

Yes, welcome back to the Middle Ages. n/t Cleita Jul 2013 #122

Morales landed in Vienna, Snowden is not on board Catherina Jul 2013 #34

These are the things that make ya wonder nadinbrzezinski Jul 2013 #37

Accelerate UNASUR's trajectory into the arms of Russia and China for sure Catherina Jul 2013 #63

True that! Luminous Animal Jul 2013 #87

Wow, that is screwed up. Waiting For Everyman Jul 2013 #38

The 1% is global and tight. I'm actually glad people are witnessing this Catherina Jul 2013 #41

Very true. Waiting For Everyman Jul 2013 #45

Bolivian Presidential Protection detail deploys at Vienna terminal Catherina Jul 2013 #39

K & R !!! WillyT Jul 2013 #42

Ok...are we going to go to war over Edward Snowden nadinbrzezinski Jul 2013 #43

They just reported this on The Young Turks as well although they say it's Cleita Jul 2013 #46

Venezuela is qualifying this nadinbrzezinski Jul 2013 #47

Venezuela qualifies this as an act of aggression Catherina Jul 2013 #48

greenwald: I'll be on with @chrislhayes in a few minutes talking about diversion of Morales' plane.. Catherina Jul 2013 #49

This didn't just happen out of the blue. Catherina Jul 2013 #50

Wait... BlueCheese Jul 2013 #51

Showing the world our true colors too n/t Catherina Jul 2013 #54

Austria: Rumors that Snowden was on board the plane that landed in Vienna are not accurate. Catherina Jul 2013 #52

Imagine if this had been Air Force 1 neverforget Jul 2013 #60

A rumor or intel from the US? Catherina Jul 2013 #67

It is unimaginable and it would be at least a major international incident or at neverforget Jul 2013 #69

"This is a hostile act by the United States State Department," says Bolivian Defense Minister Catherina Jul 2013 #62

So...the US still has clout.. HipChick Jul 2013 #68

No kidding! I'm amazed by this display of power after all the EU outrage. BenzoDia Jul 2013 #70

I'm pretty impressed HipChick Jul 2013 #74

Well, you know, Bolivia is "our backyard" according to Sec. Kerry Scootaloo Jul 2013 #75

Italy has also been confirmed as a state that refused airspace to President Morales of Boliva's jet, Catherina Jul 2013 #64

"Officials at the White House were not immediately able to comment..." Catherina Jul 2013 #77

They were prob too busy giggling in the back.. HipChick Jul 2013 #109

very clever! a trial balloon! grasswire Jul 2013 #78

Good call. nt wtmusic Jul 2013 #81

Yes, the man stuck in the Moscow Transit Terminal is a veritable genius alcibiades_mystery Jul 2013 #94

the plane was forced to circle for three hours before being allowed to land in Vienna Catherina Jul 2013 #82

I was forced to circle Chicago and Milwaukee once because of thunderstorms alcibiades_mystery Jul 2013 #95

So far most of the reports I've seen... BlueCheese Jul 2013 #83

He's spending the night in Vienna according to latest reports. Catherina Jul 2013 #90

There are worse things in life than spending the night in Vienna alcibiades_mystery Jul 2013 #93

The French would shoot the plane down? wtmusic Jul 2013 #84

Post removed Post removed Jul 2013 #85

This is a massive breach of trust and common decency. Gravitycollapse Jul 2013 #89

Yes, Gawd forbid that there be a breach of trust in the Snowden matter alcibiades_mystery Jul 2013 #92

Nobody biting tonight, eh? Skip Intro Jul 2013 #98

Just you, playah alcibiades_mystery Jul 2013 #99

Do you understand how serious it is to deny airspace to a head of state? Gravitycollapse Jul 2013 #102

On their planet, there is only ONE head of state. kenny blankenship Jul 2013 #104

Tra la la alcibiades_mystery Jul 2013 #106

I'm sure you will take pains to explain it to me alcibiades_mystery Jul 2013 #107

It doesn't matter with beaners. The USA through the Monroe Doctrine has been treating Cleita Jul 2013 #116

Ecuador discovered a hidden microphone in their London Embassy Catherina Jul 2013 #91

"the US and UK press have been lying about Correa not processing Snowden's asylum claim" reorg Jul 2013 #118

Here's a little Catherina Jul 2013 #121

Ecuador Foreign Min @RicardoPatinoEC says #Snowden case Catherina Jul 2013 #124

If true, these are the actions of a petty Tyrant! kenny blankenship Jul 2013 #96

"Evo Morales has been hijacked by imperialism, is retained in Europe" Catherina Jul 2013 #97

Too slow! Romulus Quirinus Jul 2013 #117

Wow! This is a spectacular international clusterfuck! backscatter712 Jul 2013 #105

Holy shit- is this for real? Poll_Blind Jul 2013 #108

Worse than the US news is saying. They won't let his plane leave and want to inspect Catherina Jul 2013 #120

I just went to a Bolivian news site and they say he's leaving Austria Cleita Jul 2013 #112

SEE THREAD #2; "NO You can NOT inspect my aircraft!" Emergency UNASUR meeting. Hague Tribunal? Catherina Jul 2013 #119