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dkf

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215. I doubt he thought the point of this would be to validate his access.
Mon Jul 1, 2013, 01:17 AM
Jul 2013

He didn't want you to take his word. He wanted to show you Government documents. Maybe he also felt it would be unethical to drag an innocent person's records into this. That would be an invasion of privacy after all.

The Government response is all I need to validate his claims. I don't understand why you can't see what I see as fairly obvious.

Happy to be the first to REC this. zappaman Jun 2013 #1
and the big truth Snowden told was that Swagman Jun 2013 #151
Would you believe in certain situations information is shared between many nations, remember the Thinkingabout Jun 2013 #169
if you don't think other countries spy on friend and foe alike, then you'd be naive. dionysus Jul 2013 #225
But other countries don't send their Chief Executive out on around the world truedelphi Jul 2013 #228
I thought the messenger wasn't important Maximumnegro Jul 2013 #289
RECURSION is missing a set of important steps and pieces here that make a mash of his theory leveymg Jul 2013 #296
Other countries' executives do go around the world treestar Jul 2013 #302
BwaHaHaHAHaHaHaHaHaHA truedelphi Jul 2013 #337
You yet seem ignorant of the concept treestar Jul 2013 #338
Plus there is NO fib. Snowden discussed how he could act the way any person inside an truedelphi Jul 2013 #227
Actually, no. That might be true in a business setting, MineralMan Jul 2013 #248
I think you are mistaken about this. reusrename Jul 2013 #314
so you think no one can illegally access your computer? ellenfl Jul 2013 #332
My computer is not connected to an internal network MineralMan Jul 2013 #333
that's what you think? i think you're naive believing that some things are not hackable. eom ellenfl Jul 2013 #334
You might think anything you can. MineralMan Jul 2013 #335
So how is that discribing NSA breaking the law? gholtron Jul 2013 #328
I have no doubt that he is breaking a law. truedelphi Jul 2013 #336
That helps put things into context better than my litany of unsupported claims by Snowden. randome Jun 2013 #2
And if he did get more access, the next question might be flamingdem Jun 2013 #11
Good questions but he never got evidence to support his claims. randome Jun 2013 #16
So at this point it's not even a question flamingdem Jun 2013 #18
The trial will be mostly secret, unfortunately. randome Jun 2013 #43
He probably has pro bono work from people like Michael Ratner (speaking of rat!) flamingdem Jun 2013 #51
Glenn Greenwald of the CATO Institute has been suspended by the NY bar. He'll have to find someone MADem Jun 2013 #86
Greenwald?? GeeGee as his defense attorney?? BlueCaliDem Jul 2013 #232
It depends on which desk he sat at. kentuck Jun 2013 #3
I would think that personal data is kept well away from the casual office employee. randome Jun 2013 #12
And that's the real question. MineralMan Jul 2013 #249
'Non-intelligence people'. That's a good point. randome Jul 2013 #251
Looking at the documents closely, it's clear that MineralMan Jul 2013 #254
+1 tallahasseedem Jul 2013 #282
The NSA doesn't do the collection or storage. FBI does. Recursion Jun 2013 #13
He worked for Booz-Allen... kentuck Jun 2013 #48
Believe What You Choose To - I No Longer Trust This Government cantbeserious Jun 2013 #4
Based on the leaks? gcomeau Jun 2013 #37
I know right? Duh, this was supposed to expose the truth to us treestar Jun 2013 #44
Because Snowden "saw things"! He said stuff! randome Jun 2013 #63
One More Thing - NDAA, Massive Illegal Surveillance, VRA, Wall Street, Rendition Guantanamo, War ... cantbeserious Jul 2013 #236
LOL by 'Government' you mean Obama admit it Maximumnegro Jul 2013 #291
By Government - I Mean Executive, Legislative And Judicial Branches cantbeserious Jul 2013 #309
"ratfuck" referred to the way Nixon campaigned Kolesar Jun 2013 #5
TY. i fixed it. (nt) Recursion Jun 2013 #32
It's great now! Kolesar Jun 2013 #35
Which could mean that this OP is ratfucking us. zeemike Jun 2013 #94
No, ratfucking is when a rightwing operative attacks the left FROM the even further left. KittyWampus Jun 2013 #126
Or then that right wing operative zeemike Jun 2013 #141
yes it is to protect US leaders of all polticial persuasions and their Swagman Jun 2013 #161
The slide he leaked showed *4 levels of safeguards* to keep Americans from being spied on Recursion Jun 2013 #164
If they collect the data you are being spied on. zeemike Jul 2013 #183
You should withdraw from all use of the internet to protect your information if you are so concerned Kolesar Jul 2013 #239
Well sure... zeemike Jul 2013 #242
yes... because that wouldn't be suspicious... n/t nebenaube Jul 2013 #256
did you see what she was wearing? she deserved to be raped. frylock Jul 2013 #340
Yeah, I can always expect the stupidest, off topic distractions from "frylock" eom Kolesar Jul 2013 #341
take a gander at this bit 'o wisdom for a larf frylock Jul 2013 #342
Are you a shut in? eom Kolesar Jul 2013 #343
yes, i am. will you be my friend? frylock Jul 2013 #344
I have no idea why you expect us to find that reassuring. nt. sibelian Jun 2013 #6
. flamingdem Jun 2013 #7
May I ask Iliyah Jun 2013 #66
It's a mole rat flamingdem Jun 2013 #74
LOL Iliyah Jun 2013 #83
I think it's kinda flamingdem Jun 2013 #103
Well, there are more leaks coming. But so far he looks to be full of it. BenzoDia Jun 2013 #8
Why doesn't he just release all of it? Galraedia Jun 2013 #67
My guess is that they want to prolong the experience. BenzoDia Jun 2013 #84
Yup, draaaag it out slooooowly.. sheshe2 Jun 2013 #101
It's like controlling your bag of Cocaine..... Grassy Knoll Jun 2013 #120
Is this some kinda joke? He said he had that authority, the GOV says no he didn't usGovOwesUs3Trillion Jun 2013 #9
The doc is what proves him wrong Recursion Jun 2013 #15
yeah, right... I'm sure it's just all in our heads, eh? usGovOwesUs3Trillion Jun 2013 #20
Well, it's certainly not in the leaked documents Recursion Jun 2013 #30
there's that misdirection recursion usGovOwesUs3Trillion Jun 2013 #33
They deliberately falsified slides so someone would leak them? Recursion Jun 2013 #36
haha, but not the first time I heard that one from the deniers usGovOwesUs3Trillion Jun 2013 #42
we heard all this over G.Bush's service records didn't we ? Swagman Jun 2013 #168
But... seriously? They gave Snowden false documents so he could leak them? Recursion Jul 2013 #203
No, you just need to actually read them jazzimov Jun 2013 #60
Have you read those docs? jazzimov Jun 2013 #40
right, it's just all in our global collective heads, is all... usGovOwesUs3Trillion Jun 2013 #50
Again, its not in the docs. So where is it if not your head? (nt) Recursion Jun 2013 #52
Not just my head remember... the whole world's collective heads usGovOwesUs3Trillion Jun 2013 #59
The world is pissed that we're spying on them. I would be too Recursion Jun 2013 #79
Actually usGovOwesUs3Trillion Jun 2013 #82
Here's just one example: jazzimov Jun 2013 #106
Yeah, that's true. it supports what I'm saying Recursion Jun 2013 #110
Wow. Have you made this into an OP? Number23 Jun 2013 #149
Second that. You should OP it (nt) Recursion Jun 2013 #153
No initially it does not. I agree. However, those intelligence officials truedelphi Jul 2013 #223
I felt like that when I learned Santa was fake. You'll get over it. n/t Whisp Jun 2013 #73
Santa's a Fake !!@#*/;'-??!*> sheshe2 Jun 2013 #109
Again HAVE YOU READ THEM? jazzimov Jun 2013 #87
I now believe you are being deliberately obtuse so good night usGovOwesUs3Trillion Jun 2013 #96
And it's clear to me that you have not read the docs jazzimov Jun 2013 #108
It's like that leaked document last week that showed the meticulous procedures the NSA employs. randome Jun 2013 #38
Yeah, I thought of that too Recursion Jun 2013 #41
Please quit using Common Sense. According to Patriot Act subsection G14 Three 81, truedelphi Jun 2013 #19
D'oh! You're right... usGovOwesUs3Trillion Jun 2013 #45
He could start using his ability to read as an alternative. gcomeau Jun 2013 #55
Specifically what? Name it. n/t truedelphi Jul 2013 #218
Read. The. Op. -eom gcomeau Jul 2013 #219
Oh for Sweet Patootie's sake - truedelphi Jul 2013 #221
Not "someone on DU" gcomeau Jul 2013 #224
I did read the OP and I did observe the slides. truedelphi Jul 2013 #226
Think it through. gcomeau Jul 2013 #260
Are you just not paying attention? gcomeau Jun 2013 #47
very close attention, actually usGovOwesUs3Trillion Jun 2013 #56
For fuck's sake gcomeau Jun 2013 #61
the feeling is mutual usGovOwesUs3Trillion Jun 2013 #71
The document Snowden leaked contradicts his claim of first hand experience Recursion Jun 2013 #102
And all the article and slides from Wash Po indicate is how truedelphi Jul 2013 #229
Well, hell: it's "just policy" that keeps local police from kicking my door down Recursion Jul 2013 #300
No. Not a joke. It's propaganda. nt Zorra Jun 2013 #54
From SNOWDEN??? gcomeau Jun 2013 #58
it's like a Monty Python sketch (nt) Recursion Jun 2013 #92
Some of these people around here... Number23 Jun 2013 #150
The documents did NOT demonstrate his reach -- they contradicted what he was saying. pnwmom Jun 2013 #68
What proof do you have of Snowden's claim that he could... Galraedia Jun 2013 #85
Perhaps it's buried in here: OilemFirchen Jun 2013 #122
If that is true, this document he leaked is wrong Recursion Jun 2013 #125
I'll go out on a very short limb here. OilemFirchen Jun 2013 #159
I agree to some extent. His claims seem to be exaggerated fujiyama Jul 2013 #194
I wouldn't attempt to explain why politicians do a damned thing, ever. OilemFirchen Jul 2013 #204
Looks like I owe Galraedia a couple of apologies. OilemFirchen Jul 2013 #180
The "big lie" was ... 99Forever Jun 2013 #10
What we have here are differing interpretations of the leaked documents. Maedhros Jun 2013 #128
Fair enough Recursion Jul 2013 #220
I don't take away the same points from the Guardian's analysis that you do Maedhros Jul 2013 #298
I see your point Recursion Jul 2013 #299
I agree - the FISC is a Cold War construct. Maedhros Jul 2013 #306
A rubber stamp secret court isn't "oversight," it'a... 99Forever Jul 2013 #244
And the ratfucking gleefully continues... SidDithers Jun 2013 #14
Sigh you still don't get what he was saying. dkf Jun 2013 #17
I rate this a combination of #10 and #13 on the apologists' hit parade PSPS Jun 2013 #21
And this is #1 from the hair on fire brigade Recursion Jun 2013 #22
Is anyone here able to form a coherent reply to your OP? cheapdate Jun 2013 #69
dkf and kentuck make good coherent arguments I disagree with Recursion Jun 2013 #72
Saw that. Thanks. cheapdate Jul 2013 #247
Because they're unable to. Greenwald hasn't given them the go ahead, but he's given.... Tarheel_Dem Jul 2013 #217
Please ask a question then, or link to something refuting the OP flamingdem Jun 2013 #23
Great list. Make it more generic and I'd bet you'll be able to use it again and again and again... rwsanders Jun 2013 #64
GG got ratfucked too then. Or was he part of the ratfucker team n/t Whisp Jun 2013 #24
it's an interesting question in terms of the drama Recursion Jun 2013 #25
How might ratfucking extend to heads of South American nations? flamingdem Jun 2013 #27
Twisting the eagle's tailfeathers plays well domestically in a lot of countries Recursion Jun 2013 #39
Except that the USA is Venezuela's numero uno trade partner flamingdem Jun 2013 #46
This will make a great movie in a few years (nt) Recursion Jun 2013 #49
Correction: I believe that originates with Donald Segretti. longship Jun 2013 #26
TY. Correcting (nt) Recursion Jun 2013 #29
No prob, friend. longship Jun 2013 #31
Maybe we can eventually get the truth from his Chinese and Russian friends.. Vietnameravet Jun 2013 #28
Snowden may leave with Pres. Maduro when he returns to Venezuela flamingdem Jun 2013 #34
i`m sure we will. madrchsod Jun 2013 #145
And that's why he was charged with espionage. Because he didn't disclose, truth2power Jun 2013 #53
intel workflow is of great consequence Recursion Jun 2013 #57
more officialdom speak & feel free to believe it, just don't act surprised that others have concerns usGovOwesUs3Trillion Jun 2013 #62
is it illegal to spy on other countries now? Recursion Jun 2013 #65
The massive, suspicionless spying is UNPRECEDENTED, and is why many folks object to it. usGovOwesUs3Trillion Jun 2013 #77
No, it's not. Why would you say such a thing? jazzimov Jun 2013 #119
lol - yeah, sure... we spied on the whole world back then, too... on all our Ataris, eh? usGovOwesUs3Trillion Jun 2013 #124
Yes, we did. You might wanna consider cracking open a history book some day. jeff47 Jun 2013 #152
Yes, we did, but not with Ataris. MineralMan Jul 2013 #253
We were more targeted, and did not have the tech capacity usGovOwesUs3Trillion Jul 2013 #257
You'll pardon me, I'm sure, if I discount MineralMan Jul 2013 #258
Likewise usGovOwesUs3Trillion Jul 2013 #261
I don't want your country spying on mine, thanks. sibelian Jun 2013 #80
I'm sure you don't Recursion Jun 2013 #81
I do not think so, we pay them to do TARGETED spying. usGovOwesUs3Trillion Jun 2013 #91
Why? sibelian Jun 2013 #93
very good question, I even started a whole thread around that very question usGovOwesUs3Trillion Jun 2013 #100
Well, that appears to be caused by your mistaken belief that we spy only to catch terrorists. jeff47 Jun 2013 #165
Largely because you're paying your intelligence services to spy on us. jeff47 Jun 2013 #156
I don't think you understood truth2power's subtle sarcasm. n/t truedelphi Jul 2013 #230
Espionage= leaking classified/sensitive documents that he stole to foreigners. How hard is that for KittyWampus Jun 2013 #133
I know what espionage is. And there's that subtle shift in meaning, again... truth2power Jul 2013 #246
Anyone who uses the term ratfucked Mojorabbit Jun 2013 #70
A paradoxical claim (nt) Recursion Jun 2013 #75
Good point. Unless it happens to be rat mating season and that Du'er is truedelphi Jul 2013 #222
Agree...it was a Republican Tactic... Odd to see it here. n/t KoKo Jul 2013 #255
And insisting that Obama is a Nazi like the Snowden apologists & Greenwald fans do, is what exactly? baldguy Jul 2013 #323
I have been trying to tell people this for days... Galraedia Jun 2013 #76
I've never done this before... OilemFirchen Jun 2013 #135
Yes, that's what Snowden claimed. Unfortunately, the document he leaked today contradicts that. nt jeff47 Jun 2013 #158
It was never a believable claim anyway. OilemFirchen Jun 2013 #163
Du'ers and most of the EU "ratfucked"? LOL. We and they know better. Keep trying. eom Purveyor Jun 2013 #78
It was explained one night on MSNBC. TxVietVet Jun 2013 #88
Snowden is a sneak and a snitch.. why wouldn't he lie? Cha Jun 2013 #89
Thanks Recursion! Iliyah Jun 2013 #90
Paul Revere is dead. Long live Santa... oops. n/t Whisp Jun 2013 #95
fortunately, for us... COURAGE is CONTAGIOUS usGovOwesUs3Trillion Jun 2013 #98
so is gullibility. Whisp Jun 2013 #104
RE "so is gullibility" Lonr Jun 2013 #116
hmm, you look familiar.... Whisp Jun 2013 #118
Bwah Recursion Jun 2013 #148
On the other hand... Lonr Jun 2013 #97
Don't forget the fake travel document. ProSense Jun 2013 #99
How do they know that when they don't know how many documents he has? dsc Jun 2013 #105
Huh? This is the document Shown leaked. Recursion Jun 2013 #107
Snowden never said he had authorised access to the info dsc Jun 2013 #111
Hell, local police can illegally tap my phone if they want Recursion Jun 2013 #114
the fact is access to this info should be mointored dsc Jun 2013 #117
No, he said he had access to the computers that had access to it. jeff47 Jun 2013 #171
The NSA isn't even doing the gathering; it's the FBI Recursion Jul 2013 #173
It wasn't posted here I don't think Iliyah Jun 2013 #112
The real question that needs to be answered: Who's behind it? baldguy Jun 2013 #113
WikiLeaks paid for Snowden’s travel from Hong Kong to Moscow Galraedia Jun 2013 #136
Snowden did, according to GG (nt) Recursion Jun 2013 #138
And Greenwald is JUST SO RELIABLE, isn't he? baldguy Jun 2013 #146
truth won't matter much when the lie had such a long life. Whisp Jun 2013 #115
Clapper: I gave 'the least untruthful answer' to senator's question MannyGoldstein Jun 2013 #121
So which part was untrue? (nt) Recursion Jun 2013 #123
Clapper admitted that he lied, while Snowden leaked the truth MannyGoldstein Jun 2013 #129
no, this slide he leaked contradicts what he said Recursion Jun 2013 #137
That's a single slide, for a single program MannyGoldstein Jun 2013 #157
Of course the technology doesn't block it. Hell, local police are *capable* of tapping your phone Recursion Jun 2013 #160
The local police can't tap your phone from a terminal on their desk MannyGoldstein Jun 2013 #162
Huh? They just put a jack into the transceiver box near your house Recursion Jun 2013 #166
Digital telephony is typically encrypted MannyGoldstein Jun 2013 #170
No, it isn't. jeff47 Jul 2013 #174
Cable-based land lines typically are, I believe. MannyGoldstein Jul 2013 #185
Cable companies have found it's easier to not deal with encryption. jeff47 Jul 2013 #189
^^ That's a more complete answer than mine Recursion Jul 2013 #191
Yeah, cable does a VOIP conversion and is encrypted (but law enforcement can get the keys) Recursion Jul 2013 #190
Kick & Recommend Pirate Smile Jun 2013 #127
Yes he did by direct access of the FBI's Data Intercept Technology Unit archive. dkf Jun 2013 #130
So there's a data management problem? Recursion Jun 2013 #132
Good idea. He told you he had access to raw sigint. I don't know why you disregard that. dkf Jun 2013 #142
Because i don't believe him (nt) Recursion Jun 2013 #144
They said they instituted new procedures to prevent this, including a two man access system. dkf Jun 2013 #154
No, they instituted new procedures to protect the powerpoint slides that describe the system Recursion Jun 2013 #155
How's about the Verizon warrant? dkf Jul 2013 #182
How's about it? Recursion Jul 2013 #187
I'm sure you've read it for yourself by now. dkf Jul 2013 #193
He could well have thousands of documents that describe this process (and others) in great detail Recursion Jul 2013 #195
I read they suspect he may have docs detailing the entire NSA process. dkf Jul 2013 #197
If he had such access, why not leak something from it? jeff47 Jul 2013 #176
Why would you believe a recording of Greenwald and Snowden was the govt? dkf Jul 2013 #188
Because of all the decorations the NSA would add to it if the claims were true. jeff47 Jul 2013 #192
No this wouldn't have gone through the NSA but would be the raw sigint held at the FBI. dkf Jul 2013 #196
My point was Snowden claimed he had such access. So why didn't he use it? jeff47 Jul 2013 #198
His own access wasn't the point he was trying to make. dkf Jul 2013 #211
And proving his own access would bolster that claim. jeff47 Jul 2013 #214
I doubt he thought the point of this would be to validate his access. dkf Jul 2013 #215
If that was true, those government documents would not be contradicting him. jeff47 Jul 2013 #216
Well, that settles it. (nm) MannyGoldstein Jun 2013 #167
umm... nycbiscuit Jun 2013 #131
So if he's telling the truth about that, there's a data management problem. Recursion Jun 2013 #134
People have been saying for days that there is a data management ohheckyeah Jun 2013 #147
So you should post an apology at the top of this thread. MannyGoldstein Jul 2013 #172
Yes, he did: even granting what I just granted, Recursion Jul 2013 #177
Again, he told you anyone from any of the services with his level of technical access could dkf Jul 2013 #281
He said he personally could access the President's email. randome Jul 2013 #283
Do you really want him showing all of Obama's info ? Really? dkf Jul 2013 #287
Blackmail? Good God, that's what Snowden's been doing for a while now! randome Jul 2013 #293
If they mistreat him and his info gets released enmasse, I wouldn't be surprised to see that data. dkf Jul 2013 #301
On a side note, in all seriousness, I did not mean to offend you with that term Recursion Jul 2013 #184
Thanks. MannyGoldstein Jul 2013 #186
No, he'd only be able to see what the analysts requested jeff47 Jul 2013 #178
That would be the WaPo that found the WMD Coccydynia Jun 2013 #139
Jesus F'ing Christ! THIS IS WHAT SNOWDEN LEAKED! Recursion Jun 2013 #143
I didn't realize that what the PPT says Coccydynia Jul 2013 #208
WaPo only published this just now Recursion Jul 2013 #209
Don't worry about the world's worst person in the world. Coccydynia Jul 2013 #210
I know my posting history isn't obvious, but I haven't been Snowden-bashing Recursion Jul 2013 #212
He is going to suffer the fate of Manning, sadly. Coccydynia Jul 2013 #235
In his online chat... OilemFirchen Jul 2013 #262
Right. I mean, local police have a "policy" against not kicking down my door when they want Recursion Jul 2013 #264
Indeed. OilemFirchen Jul 2013 #272
There are plenty of those treestar Jul 2013 #326
well not all DUers madrchsod Jun 2013 #140
and the reason why they have rushed to arrest and detain him is ? Swagman Jul 2013 #175
Well, first off, I don't see much of a rush here Recursion Jul 2013 #179
some seem to like a Rat with a slow hand MjolnirTime Jul 2013 #181
Then why is the government so upset with him? Tierra_y_Libertad Jul 2013 #199
Well, telling China which of their computers we've hacked didn't make anyone in the government happy Recursion Jul 2013 #200
Management types and politicians. Tierra_y_Libertad Jul 2013 #201
Bureaucrats are bureacrats Recursion Jul 2013 #202
I weep over their embarrassment. Tierra_y_Libertad Jul 2013 #205
uh no. numerous people from John Kerry to Nancy Pelosi to Obama cali Jul 2013 #206
Hell, *I* say he has more classified information Recursion Jul 2013 #207
Is that a bad joke? gcomeau Jul 2013 #263
My, my. You sound almost as upset as upset as the NSA and the politicians. Tierra_y_Libertad Jul 2013 #267
Stupid questions irritate me. -eom gcomeau Jul 2013 #268
Stupid policies like spying on the world irritate me. Tierra_y_Libertad Jul 2013 #269
Good grief... gcomeau Jul 2013 #271
Maybe it's time to stop them considering how much good it's done. Tierra_y_Libertad Jul 2013 #273
Brilliant idea gcomeau Jul 2013 #274
It sure as hell beats what we're doing now. Tierra_y_Libertad Jul 2013 #276
No, dealing with reality always trumps living in a fantasy world. gcomeau Jul 2013 #277
Funny that our allies aren't sending us bouguets of thanks for our efforts. Tierra_y_Libertad Jul 2013 #278
Look, James and Mary... randome Jul 2013 #279
Keep playing stupid. It's so productive. gcomeau Jul 2013 #280
So, it's all just a charade mindlessly played to no purpose. Tierra_y_Libertad Jul 2013 #284
Now, when I said "keep playing stupid"... gcomeau Jul 2013 #285
I guess the Europeans didn't get the script because they are outraged. Tierra_y_Libertad Jul 2013 #292
No... they are "outraged". gcomeau Jul 2013 #294
So, the administration's outrage at Snowden is just a charade, because everybody knows we spy? Tierra_y_Libertad Jul 2013 #295
Ok, I'm not even sure that can be attributed to "playing" stupid. gcomeau Jul 2013 #297
I guess Snowdon didn't read the script and stay in assigned role. Tierra_y_Libertad Jul 2013 #311
Probably each other's governments and industries not every individual citizen. TheKentuckian Jul 2013 #312
Which they are NOT DOING NOW EITHER. gcomeau Jul 2013 #313
You should learn who Henry L. Stimson was. baldguy Jul 2013 #324
Snowden lied Cali_Democrat Jul 2013 #213
Well, you know the popular cry Summer Hathaway Jul 2013 #231
This DUer didn't believe that charlatan from the get-go. BlueCaliDem Jul 2013 #233
Well, well. To use the technical term. Hekate Jul 2013 #234
Snowden has done more damage than good. I have never championed what he did. It smelled mfcorey1 Jul 2013 #237
Smells worse by the day. nt Bobbie Jo Jul 2013 #259
And this is the key to showing NSA Surveillance is all on the up and up? Pholus Jul 2013 #238
I'm sure they need a ton of datacenters Recursion Jul 2013 #241
So why do they need even bigger datacenters? Pholus Jul 2013 #243
Google for Tyrants requires a lot of computing power... n/t backscatter712 Jul 2013 #266
Exactly. Fuck Rand Paul! FSogol Jul 2013 #240
Are we being prepped for the emergence of Francis Gary Snowden by Putin? Junkdrawer Jul 2013 #245
You DO know that FGP was piloting a spy plane, do you not? Ike finally owned up to it. WinkyDink Jul 2013 #250
Yep. I think Putin suspected a Limited Hangout operation from day one and snatched him... Junkdrawer Jul 2013 #252
Wow. Hadn't thought of that Recursion Jul 2013 #265
I work in IT BobR Jul 2013 #270
I think they did say the metadata was encrypted. randome Jul 2013 #275
I think his defense will be mental illness flamingdem Jul 2013 #290
You are basing your certainty that Snowden lied based on the fact that the PP slide doesnt show rhett o rick Jul 2013 #286
Huh? This slide shows where NSA gets the data in the first place Recursion Jul 2013 #288
What about profiling? Could an NSA sysadmin access email or online chat? leveymg Jul 2013 #303
For 72 hours, it seems yes. That's a loophole we should fix Recursion Jul 2013 #304
I would think that even starting that 72 hour period requires a lot of sign-offs. randome Jul 2013 #307
Could it be, then, that Snowden was describing what he did during those 72 hours? leveymg Jul 2013 #308
Because he said "anyone", not "anyone who pops on the PRISM profile" Recursion Jul 2013 #310
We have had testimony from a couple of Senators that claim they were told that the NSA had rhett o rick Jul 2013 #305
So you are saying, in effect, that PowerPoint slides are worthless, right? randome Jul 2013 #322
WTF? reusrename Jul 2013 #315
So tell me what you think it means (nt) Recursion Jul 2013 #317
The analyst inputs his selectors into a tool, a form or template if you will. reusrename Jul 2013 #318
i see the data not being forwarded from FBI to NSA until after Recursion Jul 2013 #321
The voice and emails are seen immediately by the analysts, and the slide supports this. reusrename Jul 2013 #330
Snowden said, "I has the authorities . . " Major Hogwash Jul 2013 #316
Someones been ratfucked that is for sure. Rex Jul 2013 #319
Now do you believe him? Snowden's Real Job: Government Hacker dkf Jul 2013 #320
So he's not Paul Revere. He's Kim Philby. baldguy Jul 2013 #325
He's screwed. n/t ProSense Jul 2013 #327
Now he knows way too much. dkf Jul 2013 #329
that would explain a fair amount NoMoreWarNow Jul 2013 #331
I am Edward Snowden warrprayer Jul 2013 #339
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