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Recursion

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160. Of course the technology doesn't block it. Hell, local police are *capable* of tapping your phone
Sun Jun 30, 2013, 11:49 PM
Jun 2013

and Internet, but the laws prevent them from doing that.

Happy to be the first to REC this. zappaman Jun 2013 #1
and the big truth Snowden told was that Swagman Jun 2013 #151
Would you believe in certain situations information is shared between many nations, remember the Thinkingabout Jun 2013 #169
if you don't think other countries spy on friend and foe alike, then you'd be naive. dionysus Jul 2013 #225
But other countries don't send their Chief Executive out on around the world truedelphi Jul 2013 #228
I thought the messenger wasn't important Maximumnegro Jul 2013 #289
RECURSION is missing a set of important steps and pieces here that make a mash of his theory leveymg Jul 2013 #296
Other countries' executives do go around the world treestar Jul 2013 #302
BwaHaHaHAHaHaHaHaHaHA truedelphi Jul 2013 #337
You yet seem ignorant of the concept treestar Jul 2013 #338
Plus there is NO fib. Snowden discussed how he could act the way any person inside an truedelphi Jul 2013 #227
Actually, no. That might be true in a business setting, MineralMan Jul 2013 #248
I think you are mistaken about this. reusrename Jul 2013 #314
so you think no one can illegally access your computer? ellenfl Jul 2013 #332
My computer is not connected to an internal network MineralMan Jul 2013 #333
that's what you think? i think you're naive believing that some things are not hackable. eom ellenfl Jul 2013 #334
You might think anything you can. MineralMan Jul 2013 #335
So how is that discribing NSA breaking the law? gholtron Jul 2013 #328
I have no doubt that he is breaking a law. truedelphi Jul 2013 #336
That helps put things into context better than my litany of unsupported claims by Snowden. randome Jun 2013 #2
And if he did get more access, the next question might be flamingdem Jun 2013 #11
Good questions but he never got evidence to support his claims. randome Jun 2013 #16
So at this point it's not even a question flamingdem Jun 2013 #18
The trial will be mostly secret, unfortunately. randome Jun 2013 #43
He probably has pro bono work from people like Michael Ratner (speaking of rat!) flamingdem Jun 2013 #51
Glenn Greenwald of the CATO Institute has been suspended by the NY bar. He'll have to find someone MADem Jun 2013 #86
Greenwald?? GeeGee as his defense attorney?? BlueCaliDem Jul 2013 #232
It depends on which desk he sat at. kentuck Jun 2013 #3
I would think that personal data is kept well away from the casual office employee. randome Jun 2013 #12
And that's the real question. MineralMan Jul 2013 #249
'Non-intelligence people'. That's a good point. randome Jul 2013 #251
Looking at the documents closely, it's clear that MineralMan Jul 2013 #254
+1 tallahasseedem Jul 2013 #282
The NSA doesn't do the collection or storage. FBI does. Recursion Jun 2013 #13
He worked for Booz-Allen... kentuck Jun 2013 #48
Believe What You Choose To - I No Longer Trust This Government cantbeserious Jun 2013 #4
Based on the leaks? gcomeau Jun 2013 #37
I know right? Duh, this was supposed to expose the truth to us treestar Jun 2013 #44
Because Snowden "saw things"! He said stuff! randome Jun 2013 #63
One More Thing - NDAA, Massive Illegal Surveillance, VRA, Wall Street, Rendition Guantanamo, War ... cantbeserious Jul 2013 #236
LOL by 'Government' you mean Obama admit it Maximumnegro Jul 2013 #291
By Government - I Mean Executive, Legislative And Judicial Branches cantbeserious Jul 2013 #309
"ratfuck" referred to the way Nixon campaigned Kolesar Jun 2013 #5
TY. i fixed it. (nt) Recursion Jun 2013 #32
It's great now! Kolesar Jun 2013 #35
Which could mean that this OP is ratfucking us. zeemike Jun 2013 #94
No, ratfucking is when a rightwing operative attacks the left FROM the even further left. KittyWampus Jun 2013 #126
Or then that right wing operative zeemike Jun 2013 #141
yes it is to protect US leaders of all polticial persuasions and their Swagman Jun 2013 #161
The slide he leaked showed *4 levels of safeguards* to keep Americans from being spied on Recursion Jun 2013 #164
If they collect the data you are being spied on. zeemike Jul 2013 #183
You should withdraw from all use of the internet to protect your information if you are so concerned Kolesar Jul 2013 #239
Well sure... zeemike Jul 2013 #242
yes... because that wouldn't be suspicious... n/t nebenaube Jul 2013 #256
did you see what she was wearing? she deserved to be raped. frylock Jul 2013 #340
Yeah, I can always expect the stupidest, off topic distractions from "frylock" eom Kolesar Jul 2013 #341
take a gander at this bit 'o wisdom for a larf frylock Jul 2013 #342
Are you a shut in? eom Kolesar Jul 2013 #343
yes, i am. will you be my friend? frylock Jul 2013 #344
I have no idea why you expect us to find that reassuring. nt. sibelian Jun 2013 #6
. flamingdem Jun 2013 #7
May I ask Iliyah Jun 2013 #66
It's a mole rat flamingdem Jun 2013 #74
LOL Iliyah Jun 2013 #83
I think it's kinda flamingdem Jun 2013 #103
Well, there are more leaks coming. But so far he looks to be full of it. BenzoDia Jun 2013 #8
Why doesn't he just release all of it? Galraedia Jun 2013 #67
My guess is that they want to prolong the experience. BenzoDia Jun 2013 #84
Yup, draaaag it out slooooowly.. sheshe2 Jun 2013 #101
It's like controlling your bag of Cocaine..... Grassy Knoll Jun 2013 #120
Is this some kinda joke? He said he had that authority, the GOV says no he didn't usGovOwesUs3Trillion Jun 2013 #9
The doc is what proves him wrong Recursion Jun 2013 #15
yeah, right... I'm sure it's just all in our heads, eh? usGovOwesUs3Trillion Jun 2013 #20
Well, it's certainly not in the leaked documents Recursion Jun 2013 #30
there's that misdirection recursion usGovOwesUs3Trillion Jun 2013 #33
They deliberately falsified slides so someone would leak them? Recursion Jun 2013 #36
haha, but not the first time I heard that one from the deniers usGovOwesUs3Trillion Jun 2013 #42
we heard all this over G.Bush's service records didn't we ? Swagman Jun 2013 #168
But... seriously? They gave Snowden false documents so he could leak them? Recursion Jul 2013 #203
No, you just need to actually read them jazzimov Jun 2013 #60
Have you read those docs? jazzimov Jun 2013 #40
right, it's just all in our global collective heads, is all... usGovOwesUs3Trillion Jun 2013 #50
Again, its not in the docs. So where is it if not your head? (nt) Recursion Jun 2013 #52
Not just my head remember... the whole world's collective heads usGovOwesUs3Trillion Jun 2013 #59
The world is pissed that we're spying on them. I would be too Recursion Jun 2013 #79
Actually usGovOwesUs3Trillion Jun 2013 #82
Here's just one example: jazzimov Jun 2013 #106
Yeah, that's true. it supports what I'm saying Recursion Jun 2013 #110
Wow. Have you made this into an OP? Number23 Jun 2013 #149
Second that. You should OP it (nt) Recursion Jun 2013 #153
No initially it does not. I agree. However, those intelligence officials truedelphi Jul 2013 #223
I felt like that when I learned Santa was fake. You'll get over it. n/t Whisp Jun 2013 #73
Santa's a Fake !!@#*/;'-??!*> sheshe2 Jun 2013 #109
Again HAVE YOU READ THEM? jazzimov Jun 2013 #87
I now believe you are being deliberately obtuse so good night usGovOwesUs3Trillion Jun 2013 #96
And it's clear to me that you have not read the docs jazzimov Jun 2013 #108
It's like that leaked document last week that showed the meticulous procedures the NSA employs. randome Jun 2013 #38
Yeah, I thought of that too Recursion Jun 2013 #41
Please quit using Common Sense. According to Patriot Act subsection G14 Three 81, truedelphi Jun 2013 #19
D'oh! You're right... usGovOwesUs3Trillion Jun 2013 #45
He could start using his ability to read as an alternative. gcomeau Jun 2013 #55
Specifically what? Name it. n/t truedelphi Jul 2013 #218
Read. The. Op. -eom gcomeau Jul 2013 #219
Oh for Sweet Patootie's sake - truedelphi Jul 2013 #221
Not "someone on DU" gcomeau Jul 2013 #224
I did read the OP and I did observe the slides. truedelphi Jul 2013 #226
Think it through. gcomeau Jul 2013 #260
Are you just not paying attention? gcomeau Jun 2013 #47
very close attention, actually usGovOwesUs3Trillion Jun 2013 #56
For fuck's sake gcomeau Jun 2013 #61
the feeling is mutual usGovOwesUs3Trillion Jun 2013 #71
The document Snowden leaked contradicts his claim of first hand experience Recursion Jun 2013 #102
And all the article and slides from Wash Po indicate is how truedelphi Jul 2013 #229
Well, hell: it's "just policy" that keeps local police from kicking my door down Recursion Jul 2013 #300
No. Not a joke. It's propaganda. nt Zorra Jun 2013 #54
From SNOWDEN??? gcomeau Jun 2013 #58
it's like a Monty Python sketch (nt) Recursion Jun 2013 #92
Some of these people around here... Number23 Jun 2013 #150
The documents did NOT demonstrate his reach -- they contradicted what he was saying. pnwmom Jun 2013 #68
What proof do you have of Snowden's claim that he could... Galraedia Jun 2013 #85
Perhaps it's buried in here: OilemFirchen Jun 2013 #122
If that is true, this document he leaked is wrong Recursion Jun 2013 #125
I'll go out on a very short limb here. OilemFirchen Jun 2013 #159
I agree to some extent. His claims seem to be exaggerated fujiyama Jul 2013 #194
I wouldn't attempt to explain why politicians do a damned thing, ever. OilemFirchen Jul 2013 #204
Looks like I owe Galraedia a couple of apologies. OilemFirchen Jul 2013 #180
The "big lie" was ... 99Forever Jun 2013 #10
What we have here are differing interpretations of the leaked documents. Maedhros Jun 2013 #128
Fair enough Recursion Jul 2013 #220
I don't take away the same points from the Guardian's analysis that you do Maedhros Jul 2013 #298
I see your point Recursion Jul 2013 #299
I agree - the FISC is a Cold War construct. Maedhros Jul 2013 #306
A rubber stamp secret court isn't "oversight," it'a... 99Forever Jul 2013 #244
And the ratfucking gleefully continues... SidDithers Jun 2013 #14
Sigh you still don't get what he was saying. dkf Jun 2013 #17
I rate this a combination of #10 and #13 on the apologists' hit parade PSPS Jun 2013 #21
And this is #1 from the hair on fire brigade Recursion Jun 2013 #22
Is anyone here able to form a coherent reply to your OP? cheapdate Jun 2013 #69
dkf and kentuck make good coherent arguments I disagree with Recursion Jun 2013 #72
Saw that. Thanks. cheapdate Jul 2013 #247
Because they're unable to. Greenwald hasn't given them the go ahead, but he's given.... Tarheel_Dem Jul 2013 #217
Please ask a question then, or link to something refuting the OP flamingdem Jun 2013 #23
Great list. Make it more generic and I'd bet you'll be able to use it again and again and again... rwsanders Jun 2013 #64
GG got ratfucked too then. Or was he part of the ratfucker team n/t Whisp Jun 2013 #24
it's an interesting question in terms of the drama Recursion Jun 2013 #25
How might ratfucking extend to heads of South American nations? flamingdem Jun 2013 #27
Twisting the eagle's tailfeathers plays well domestically in a lot of countries Recursion Jun 2013 #39
Except that the USA is Venezuela's numero uno trade partner flamingdem Jun 2013 #46
This will make a great movie in a few years (nt) Recursion Jun 2013 #49
Correction: I believe that originates with Donald Segretti. longship Jun 2013 #26
TY. Correcting (nt) Recursion Jun 2013 #29
No prob, friend. longship Jun 2013 #31
Maybe we can eventually get the truth from his Chinese and Russian friends.. Vietnameravet Jun 2013 #28
Snowden may leave with Pres. Maduro when he returns to Venezuela flamingdem Jun 2013 #34
i`m sure we will. madrchsod Jun 2013 #145
And that's why he was charged with espionage. Because he didn't disclose, truth2power Jun 2013 #53
intel workflow is of great consequence Recursion Jun 2013 #57
more officialdom speak & feel free to believe it, just don't act surprised that others have concerns usGovOwesUs3Trillion Jun 2013 #62
is it illegal to spy on other countries now? Recursion Jun 2013 #65
The massive, suspicionless spying is UNPRECEDENTED, and is why many folks object to it. usGovOwesUs3Trillion Jun 2013 #77
No, it's not. Why would you say such a thing? jazzimov Jun 2013 #119
lol - yeah, sure... we spied on the whole world back then, too... on all our Ataris, eh? usGovOwesUs3Trillion Jun 2013 #124
Yes, we did. You might wanna consider cracking open a history book some day. jeff47 Jun 2013 #152
Yes, we did, but not with Ataris. MineralMan Jul 2013 #253
We were more targeted, and did not have the tech capacity usGovOwesUs3Trillion Jul 2013 #257
You'll pardon me, I'm sure, if I discount MineralMan Jul 2013 #258
Likewise usGovOwesUs3Trillion Jul 2013 #261
I don't want your country spying on mine, thanks. sibelian Jun 2013 #80
I'm sure you don't Recursion Jun 2013 #81
I do not think so, we pay them to do TARGETED spying. usGovOwesUs3Trillion Jun 2013 #91
Why? sibelian Jun 2013 #93
very good question, I even started a whole thread around that very question usGovOwesUs3Trillion Jun 2013 #100
Well, that appears to be caused by your mistaken belief that we spy only to catch terrorists. jeff47 Jun 2013 #165
Largely because you're paying your intelligence services to spy on us. jeff47 Jun 2013 #156
I don't think you understood truth2power's subtle sarcasm. n/t truedelphi Jul 2013 #230
Espionage= leaking classified/sensitive documents that he stole to foreigners. How hard is that for KittyWampus Jun 2013 #133
I know what espionage is. And there's that subtle shift in meaning, again... truth2power Jul 2013 #246
Anyone who uses the term ratfucked Mojorabbit Jun 2013 #70
A paradoxical claim (nt) Recursion Jun 2013 #75
Good point. Unless it happens to be rat mating season and that Du'er is truedelphi Jul 2013 #222
Agree...it was a Republican Tactic... Odd to see it here. n/t KoKo Jul 2013 #255
And insisting that Obama is a Nazi like the Snowden apologists & Greenwald fans do, is what exactly? baldguy Jul 2013 #323
I have been trying to tell people this for days... Galraedia Jun 2013 #76
I've never done this before... OilemFirchen Jun 2013 #135
Yes, that's what Snowden claimed. Unfortunately, the document he leaked today contradicts that. nt jeff47 Jun 2013 #158
It was never a believable claim anyway. OilemFirchen Jun 2013 #163
Du'ers and most of the EU "ratfucked"? LOL. We and they know better. Keep trying. eom Purveyor Jun 2013 #78
It was explained one night on MSNBC. TxVietVet Jun 2013 #88
Snowden is a sneak and a snitch.. why wouldn't he lie? Cha Jun 2013 #89
Thanks Recursion! Iliyah Jun 2013 #90
Paul Revere is dead. Long live Santa... oops. n/t Whisp Jun 2013 #95
fortunately, for us... COURAGE is CONTAGIOUS usGovOwesUs3Trillion Jun 2013 #98
so is gullibility. Whisp Jun 2013 #104
RE "so is gullibility" Lonr Jun 2013 #116
hmm, you look familiar.... Whisp Jun 2013 #118
Bwah Recursion Jun 2013 #148
On the other hand... Lonr Jun 2013 #97
Don't forget the fake travel document. ProSense Jun 2013 #99
How do they know that when they don't know how many documents he has? dsc Jun 2013 #105
Huh? This is the document Shown leaked. Recursion Jun 2013 #107
Snowden never said he had authorised access to the info dsc Jun 2013 #111
Hell, local police can illegally tap my phone if they want Recursion Jun 2013 #114
the fact is access to this info should be mointored dsc Jun 2013 #117
No, he said he had access to the computers that had access to it. jeff47 Jun 2013 #171
The NSA isn't even doing the gathering; it's the FBI Recursion Jul 2013 #173
It wasn't posted here I don't think Iliyah Jun 2013 #112
The real question that needs to be answered: Who's behind it? baldguy Jun 2013 #113
WikiLeaks paid for Snowden’s travel from Hong Kong to Moscow Galraedia Jun 2013 #136
Snowden did, according to GG (nt) Recursion Jun 2013 #138
And Greenwald is JUST SO RELIABLE, isn't he? baldguy Jun 2013 #146
truth won't matter much when the lie had such a long life. Whisp Jun 2013 #115
Clapper: I gave 'the least untruthful answer' to senator's question MannyGoldstein Jun 2013 #121
So which part was untrue? (nt) Recursion Jun 2013 #123
Clapper admitted that he lied, while Snowden leaked the truth MannyGoldstein Jun 2013 #129
no, this slide he leaked contradicts what he said Recursion Jun 2013 #137
That's a single slide, for a single program MannyGoldstein Jun 2013 #157
Of course the technology doesn't block it. Hell, local police are *capable* of tapping your phone Recursion Jun 2013 #160
The local police can't tap your phone from a terminal on their desk MannyGoldstein Jun 2013 #162
Huh? They just put a jack into the transceiver box near your house Recursion Jun 2013 #166
Digital telephony is typically encrypted MannyGoldstein Jun 2013 #170
No, it isn't. jeff47 Jul 2013 #174
Cable-based land lines typically are, I believe. MannyGoldstein Jul 2013 #185
Cable companies have found it's easier to not deal with encryption. jeff47 Jul 2013 #189
^^ That's a more complete answer than mine Recursion Jul 2013 #191
Yeah, cable does a VOIP conversion and is encrypted (but law enforcement can get the keys) Recursion Jul 2013 #190
Kick & Recommend Pirate Smile Jun 2013 #127
Yes he did by direct access of the FBI's Data Intercept Technology Unit archive. dkf Jun 2013 #130
So there's a data management problem? Recursion Jun 2013 #132
Good idea. He told you he had access to raw sigint. I don't know why you disregard that. dkf Jun 2013 #142
Because i don't believe him (nt) Recursion Jun 2013 #144
They said they instituted new procedures to prevent this, including a two man access system. dkf Jun 2013 #154
No, they instituted new procedures to protect the powerpoint slides that describe the system Recursion Jun 2013 #155
How's about the Verizon warrant? dkf Jul 2013 #182
How's about it? Recursion Jul 2013 #187
I'm sure you've read it for yourself by now. dkf Jul 2013 #193
He could well have thousands of documents that describe this process (and others) in great detail Recursion Jul 2013 #195
I read they suspect he may have docs detailing the entire NSA process. dkf Jul 2013 #197
If he had such access, why not leak something from it? jeff47 Jul 2013 #176
Why would you believe a recording of Greenwald and Snowden was the govt? dkf Jul 2013 #188
Because of all the decorations the NSA would add to it if the claims were true. jeff47 Jul 2013 #192
No this wouldn't have gone through the NSA but would be the raw sigint held at the FBI. dkf Jul 2013 #196
My point was Snowden claimed he had such access. So why didn't he use it? jeff47 Jul 2013 #198
His own access wasn't the point he was trying to make. dkf Jul 2013 #211
And proving his own access would bolster that claim. jeff47 Jul 2013 #214
I doubt he thought the point of this would be to validate his access. dkf Jul 2013 #215
If that was true, those government documents would not be contradicting him. jeff47 Jul 2013 #216
Well, that settles it. (nm) MannyGoldstein Jun 2013 #167
umm... nycbiscuit Jun 2013 #131
So if he's telling the truth about that, there's a data management problem. Recursion Jun 2013 #134
People have been saying for days that there is a data management ohheckyeah Jun 2013 #147
So you should post an apology at the top of this thread. MannyGoldstein Jul 2013 #172
Yes, he did: even granting what I just granted, Recursion Jul 2013 #177
Again, he told you anyone from any of the services with his level of technical access could dkf Jul 2013 #281
He said he personally could access the President's email. randome Jul 2013 #283
Do you really want him showing all of Obama's info ? Really? dkf Jul 2013 #287
Blackmail? Good God, that's what Snowden's been doing for a while now! randome Jul 2013 #293
If they mistreat him and his info gets released enmasse, I wouldn't be surprised to see that data. dkf Jul 2013 #301
On a side note, in all seriousness, I did not mean to offend you with that term Recursion Jul 2013 #184
Thanks. MannyGoldstein Jul 2013 #186
No, he'd only be able to see what the analysts requested jeff47 Jul 2013 #178
That would be the WaPo that found the WMD Coccydynia Jun 2013 #139
Jesus F'ing Christ! THIS IS WHAT SNOWDEN LEAKED! Recursion Jun 2013 #143
I didn't realize that what the PPT says Coccydynia Jul 2013 #208
WaPo only published this just now Recursion Jul 2013 #209
Don't worry about the world's worst person in the world. Coccydynia Jul 2013 #210
I know my posting history isn't obvious, but I haven't been Snowden-bashing Recursion Jul 2013 #212
He is going to suffer the fate of Manning, sadly. Coccydynia Jul 2013 #235
In his online chat... OilemFirchen Jul 2013 #262
Right. I mean, local police have a "policy" against not kicking down my door when they want Recursion Jul 2013 #264
Indeed. OilemFirchen Jul 2013 #272
There are plenty of those treestar Jul 2013 #326
well not all DUers madrchsod Jun 2013 #140
and the reason why they have rushed to arrest and detain him is ? Swagman Jul 2013 #175
Well, first off, I don't see much of a rush here Recursion Jul 2013 #179
some seem to like a Rat with a slow hand MjolnirTime Jul 2013 #181
Then why is the government so upset with him? Tierra_y_Libertad Jul 2013 #199
Well, telling China which of their computers we've hacked didn't make anyone in the government happy Recursion Jul 2013 #200
Management types and politicians. Tierra_y_Libertad Jul 2013 #201
Bureaucrats are bureacrats Recursion Jul 2013 #202
I weep over their embarrassment. Tierra_y_Libertad Jul 2013 #205
uh no. numerous people from John Kerry to Nancy Pelosi to Obama cali Jul 2013 #206
Hell, *I* say he has more classified information Recursion Jul 2013 #207
Is that a bad joke? gcomeau Jul 2013 #263
My, my. You sound almost as upset as upset as the NSA and the politicians. Tierra_y_Libertad Jul 2013 #267
Stupid questions irritate me. -eom gcomeau Jul 2013 #268
Stupid policies like spying on the world irritate me. Tierra_y_Libertad Jul 2013 #269
Good grief... gcomeau Jul 2013 #271
Maybe it's time to stop them considering how much good it's done. Tierra_y_Libertad Jul 2013 #273
Brilliant idea gcomeau Jul 2013 #274
It sure as hell beats what we're doing now. Tierra_y_Libertad Jul 2013 #276
No, dealing with reality always trumps living in a fantasy world. gcomeau Jul 2013 #277
Funny that our allies aren't sending us bouguets of thanks for our efforts. Tierra_y_Libertad Jul 2013 #278
Look, James and Mary... randome Jul 2013 #279
Keep playing stupid. It's so productive. gcomeau Jul 2013 #280
So, it's all just a charade mindlessly played to no purpose. Tierra_y_Libertad Jul 2013 #284
Now, when I said "keep playing stupid"... gcomeau Jul 2013 #285
I guess the Europeans didn't get the script because they are outraged. Tierra_y_Libertad Jul 2013 #292
No... they are "outraged". gcomeau Jul 2013 #294
So, the administration's outrage at Snowden is just a charade, because everybody knows we spy? Tierra_y_Libertad Jul 2013 #295
Ok, I'm not even sure that can be attributed to "playing" stupid. gcomeau Jul 2013 #297
I guess Snowdon didn't read the script and stay in assigned role. Tierra_y_Libertad Jul 2013 #311
Probably each other's governments and industries not every individual citizen. TheKentuckian Jul 2013 #312
Which they are NOT DOING NOW EITHER. gcomeau Jul 2013 #313
You should learn who Henry L. Stimson was. baldguy Jul 2013 #324
Snowden lied Cali_Democrat Jul 2013 #213
Well, you know the popular cry Summer Hathaway Jul 2013 #231
This DUer didn't believe that charlatan from the get-go. BlueCaliDem Jul 2013 #233
Well, well. To use the technical term. Hekate Jul 2013 #234
Snowden has done more damage than good. I have never championed what he did. It smelled mfcorey1 Jul 2013 #237
Smells worse by the day. nt Bobbie Jo Jul 2013 #259
And this is the key to showing NSA Surveillance is all on the up and up? Pholus Jul 2013 #238
I'm sure they need a ton of datacenters Recursion Jul 2013 #241
So why do they need even bigger datacenters? Pholus Jul 2013 #243
Google for Tyrants requires a lot of computing power... n/t backscatter712 Jul 2013 #266
Exactly. Fuck Rand Paul! FSogol Jul 2013 #240
Are we being prepped for the emergence of Francis Gary Snowden by Putin? Junkdrawer Jul 2013 #245
You DO know that FGP was piloting a spy plane, do you not? Ike finally owned up to it. WinkyDink Jul 2013 #250
Yep. I think Putin suspected a Limited Hangout operation from day one and snatched him... Junkdrawer Jul 2013 #252
Wow. Hadn't thought of that Recursion Jul 2013 #265
I work in IT BobR Jul 2013 #270
I think they did say the metadata was encrypted. randome Jul 2013 #275
I think his defense will be mental illness flamingdem Jul 2013 #290
You are basing your certainty that Snowden lied based on the fact that the PP slide doesnt show rhett o rick Jul 2013 #286
Huh? This slide shows where NSA gets the data in the first place Recursion Jul 2013 #288
What about profiling? Could an NSA sysadmin access email or online chat? leveymg Jul 2013 #303
For 72 hours, it seems yes. That's a loophole we should fix Recursion Jul 2013 #304
I would think that even starting that 72 hour period requires a lot of sign-offs. randome Jul 2013 #307
Could it be, then, that Snowden was describing what he did during those 72 hours? leveymg Jul 2013 #308
Because he said "anyone", not "anyone who pops on the PRISM profile" Recursion Jul 2013 #310
We have had testimony from a couple of Senators that claim they were told that the NSA had rhett o rick Jul 2013 #305
So you are saying, in effect, that PowerPoint slides are worthless, right? randome Jul 2013 #322
WTF? reusrename Jul 2013 #315
So tell me what you think it means (nt) Recursion Jul 2013 #317
The analyst inputs his selectors into a tool, a form or template if you will. reusrename Jul 2013 #318
i see the data not being forwarded from FBI to NSA until after Recursion Jul 2013 #321
The voice and emails are seen immediately by the analysts, and the slide supports this. reusrename Jul 2013 #330
Snowden said, "I has the authorities . . " Major Hogwash Jul 2013 #316
Someones been ratfucked that is for sure. Rex Jul 2013 #319
Now do you believe him? Snowden's Real Job: Government Hacker dkf Jul 2013 #320
So he's not Paul Revere. He's Kim Philby. baldguy Jul 2013 #325
He's screwed. n/t ProSense Jul 2013 #327
Now he knows way too much. dkf Jul 2013 #329
that would explain a fair amount NoMoreWarNow Jul 2013 #331
I am Edward Snowden warrprayer Jul 2013 #339
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