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HardTimes99

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125. Post 55 (my post) was most definitely not 'cheering revenge'. On the contrary, in
Sat Jun 29, 2013, 05:53 PM
Jun 2013

wishing that slavery had died a natural death without civil war (as happened to apartheid in South Africa) and that there had been some sort of Truth and Reconciliation Commission empaneled, a lot of suffering and misery would have been avoided and justice achieved without violence.

If you ask me whom I blame for that not happening in the U.S., I wish to make it unequivocally clear that I blame the Southern Fire-Eaters and hotheads for treason against the Union.

But having said that, civil war is a terrible thing and should be avoided at all costs, if justice can be achieved without violence.

Are you glad that John Brown was hanged? [View all] MannyGoldstein Jun 2013 OP
Blast from the past: when Republicans wanted to end slavery leftstreet Jun 2013 #1
I fear that in the 1859 version of DU, many MannyGoldstein Jun 2013 #2
Never happened Bro, never happened. cherokeeprogressive Jun 2013 #3
LOL back at you! nm MannyGoldstein Jun 2013 #9
DU 1859, all the threads would be about ladies ankles leftstreet Jun 2013 #5
Spot on! Many Americans would consider Brown a 'terrorist' and probably HardTimes99 Jun 2013 #44
That's a given. They would have pleaded with King George to save them from those wascally webels Zorra Jun 2013 #72
I think it was pretty well known ... socialist_n_TN Jun 2013 #86
I was in high school after Reagan, JoeyT Jun 2013 #107
The Revolution was basically a story of the British not being able to win MannyGoldstein Jun 2013 #112
Of course not. But now Snowden is John Brown? Yikes. JaneyVee Jun 2013 #4
Snowden never killed anyone. All he did was show Uber-Double-Secret Powerpoint slides... backscatter712 Jun 2013 #8
But The Poster Has Told Me She Is All About Human Rights HangOnKids Jun 2013 #20
He killed a black baggage handler and two slaves in that raid. cali Jun 2013 #24
He had to kill the slaves in order to save them.... Uncle Joe Jun 2013 #95
And Snowden's raison d'etre wasn't to free millions from bondage DemocratSinceBirth Jun 2013 #62
Freeing millions of people from government surveillance is a worthy cause. n/t backscatter712 Jun 2013 #91
I agree DemocratSinceBirth Jun 2013 #94
Why shouldn't Brown have been hanged? - nt HardTimes99 Jun 2013 #46
No, but John Brown was not the squeaky-clean hero that some have made him out to be. NaturalHigh Jun 2013 #6
John brown is one of my personal heroes. bravenak Jun 2013 #7
I'm tearing up as I write. I would like to think that, had HardTimes99 Jun 2013 #47
Long live the Confederacy!! Arctic Dave Jun 2013 #10
They should be grateful they were forcibly converted to Christianity! n/t backscatter712 Jun 2013 #12
Without the sarcasm emoticon, one would be entitled to believe HardTimes99 Jun 2013 #48
No. I'm opposed to capital punishment. MotherPetrie Jun 2013 #11
I most certainly do not cheer capital punishment Cirque du So-What Jun 2013 #13
James McPherson has noted the irony that, had Richmond fallen to HardTimes99 Jun 2013 #73
The moral authority, political strength and resolve of abolitionists tabasco Jun 2013 #118
Oh, I whole-heartedly agree with you. The point is that Lincoln did HardTimes99 Jun 2013 #120
What he did was ILLEGAL, Manny kenny blankenship Jun 2013 #14
Not to mention that the attempt to recruit slaves into the rebellion... backscatter712 Jun 2013 #15
Man that is brutal, worthy of Jonathan Swift. I think some on DU are HardTimes99 Jun 2013 #50
I thought we established "an unjust law is no law at all." DemocratSinceBirth Jun 2013 #64
Thank you for one of your more simplistic posts. My ancestors were here in the 1850's and had been madinmaryland Jun 2013 #16
EPIC FAIL! Manny has illuminated the distinctionb between 'legal' and HardTimes99 Jun 2013 #51
+1 L0oniX Jun 2013 #108
+1 Buzz Clik Jun 2013 #70
The story thus far, kiddies ... Summer Hathaway Jun 2013 #17
I'm firmly on the other side of YOU from this and I think the OP was dumb cali Jun 2013 #23
And a lot of "what is in the spotlight' Summer Hathaway Jun 2013 #26
wow, it's sad to see such a narrow blinded way of cali Jun 2013 #28
+ billions n/t L0oniX Jun 2013 #111
If you want to counter-market, you could photoshop a picture of Snowden HardTimes99 Jun 2013 #52
LOL L0oniX Jun 2013 #110
Bwaahaahaa....analogy challenged much? Zorra Jun 2013 #61
+1 L0oniX Jun 2013 #109
Seems that way...eom Kolesar Jun 2013 #127
How strange that Brown was hanged for treason after his attack on a Federal arsenal but that struggle4progress Jun 2013 #18
Allot of interesting characters involved. Democracyinkind Jun 2013 #19
IIRC Booth joined the militia guarding Brown's execution just to be present at the hanging struggle4progress Jun 2013 #80
right. Not part of the militia initially responding. Democracyinkind Jun 2013 #84
Robert E. Lee's reputation has come under some much-deserved critical scrutiny in, HardTimes99 Jun 2013 #53
I imagine for several reasons. Uncle Joe Jun 2013 #98
I think you and I are breaking on different sides of this debate, but I still HardTimes99 Jun 2013 #122
Wow that post takes balls Maximumnegro Jun 2013 #21
Can you be more specific? MannyGoldstein Jun 2013 #113
So a freed black baggage master was a pro-slaver? how interesting. cali Jun 2013 #22
as it happens hfojvt Jun 2013 #25
No, I wish all the slaves had rose up and slaughtered all of the massas, including the slave islands Sunlei Jun 2013 #27
I wish what had happened in South Africa with the end of apartheid had HardTimes99 Jun 2013 #55
Posts 27 and 55 ... 1StrongBlackMan Jun 2013 #106
Post 55 (my post) was most definitely not 'cheering revenge'. On the contrary, in HardTimes99 Jun 2013 #125
I apologize ... 1StrongBlackMan Jun 2013 #129
No apology necessary. Manny's thead here helps explain why I HardTimes99 Jun 2013 #130
After the war, every politician, military leader, plantation owner, and SB minister Dawson Leery Jun 2013 #134
Itching for civil war? GeorgeGist Jun 2013 #29
John Brown was a megalomaniac who got many people killed for no reason & did nothing to end slavey. baldguy Jun 2013 #30
agreed. cali Jun 2013 #31
That was becasue he had poor tactics but his heart was in the right place YeahSureRight Jun 2013 #33
And the road to Hell is paved with good intentions. baldguy Jun 2013 #37
So I looked that up, and one writer calls him that (Ken Chowder). Demit Jun 2013 #90
Oy vey. I guess you disagree with Frederick Douglass then. Douglass wrote HardTimes99 Jun 2013 #58
Pointing out that he was nothing but an ineffectual terrorist ***DOES NOT MEAN I SUPPORT SLAVERY!*** baldguy Jun 2013 #63
But you would have supported Brown's hanging (the OP's question). More HardTimes99 Jun 2013 #65
So I can say you support Ron Paul and his RW libertarian jihad then, right? baldguy Jun 2013 #66
Answer the OP's question, please. Do you support ('are you glad . . . ?') Brown's execution? No HardTimes99 Jun 2013 #68
I'll be needing a lot more coffee MannyGoldstein Jun 2013 #88
Jury results on this post.... Bluenorthwest Jun 2013 #74
Before the raid on Harpers Ferry, Frederick Douglass thought Brown's plan was a mistake Martin Eden Jun 2013 #136
That's very interesting. I knew of Douglass' disapproval of the plan and HardTimes99 Jun 2013 #137
Hell no I would have been part of the armed rebellion and my activites would have continued YeahSureRight Jun 2013 #32
I vacillated between crying 'Bravo!' and alerting on you for HardTimes99 Jun 2013 #59
John Brown was a murdering religious nut. Progressive dog Jun 2013 #34
And what he did in Kansas "deserves" the death penalty more than Harper's Ferry Recursion Jun 2013 #42
Shall we re-open the question of 'Bleeding Kansas'? If so, we must not fail to HardTimes99 Jun 2013 #103
John Brown was a terrorist NoGOPZone Jun 2013 #35
Slavery had real, identifiable, inhumanely exploited victims. moondust Jun 2013 #36
The nearest parallel to John Brown would be anti-abortionists who burn clinics and kill doctors. FarCenter Jun 2013 #38
You conveniently ignore the fact that John Brown was equally villified and demonized by the HardTimes99 Jun 2013 #121
I'm against the death penalty. No exceptions. Iggo Jun 2013 #39
This is a fascinating question Recursion Jun 2013 #40
I think it boils down to Utilitarianism vs. deontologism in ethics. Democracyinkind Jun 2013 #41
Good point, though I see some early Bakunism in his career, too Recursion Jun 2013 #45
Interesting points. Democracyinkind Jun 2013 #49
I wish I could recommend this OP and your question to Infinity and beyond! Using today's HardTimes99 Jun 2013 #43
that's just like Snowden! arely staircase Jun 2013 #54
Brown's bravery in the face of execution sent a very strong message to the South BeyondGeography Jun 2013 #56
Not only that, but Brown's raid scared the shit out of the slavers. They began organizing HardTimes99 Jun 2013 #67
But, we would have missed Ronald Reagan and Erol Flynn in their most stirring roles: JEB Stuart & leveymg Jun 2013 #57
Was Custer part of the unit that captured Brown and re-took Harper's Ferry? - nt HardTimes99 Jun 2013 #69
I'm not sure but Lee definitely was DemocratSinceBirth Jun 2013 #78
I would have been conflicted DemocratSinceBirth Jun 2013 #60
Your weakest ever, Manny. Buzz Clik Jun 2013 #71
Rather than answer the question, attack the one who asked it, Centrist Theory 101 Bluenorthwest Jun 2013 #75
Oh, bullshit. I didn't attack him at all. I commented on the content only. Buzz Clik Jun 2013 #77
If this was Manny's 'weakest,' I'd be trembling in awe HardTimes99 Jun 2013 #76
I guess we disagree? I'm not sure. Regardless, I voiced my opinion, and it hasn't changed. Buzz Clik Jun 2013 #79
I think Manny has posed the seminal question: to wit, there HardTimes99 Jun 2013 #81
I got Manny's point just fine. It was how he framed his question that was ridiculous. Buzz Clik Jun 2013 #83
Buchanan was a Democratic president. rug Jun 2013 #82
Hah! Good one! (Pre-FDR, though!) - nt HardTimes99 Jun 2013 #85
Back then, the Democrats were the reactionary douchebags... backscatter712 Jun 2013 #92
In our society, civilians don't try to change things through armed conflict brooklynite Jun 2013 #87
So, as per the OP question, are you glad that John Brown was hanged? Zorra Jun 2013 #93
"Glad" isn't the question... brooklynite Jun 2013 #96
Actually, I believe that maybe "glad" is the question, if I read Manny correctly. Zorra Jun 2013 #124
I believe that the death penalty is wrong. But if someone organised an armed attack on a death row, Nye Bevan Jun 2013 #89
Your response has hoist me with my own petard and HardTimes99 Jun 2013 #97
What if a state made abortion punishable by the death penalty MannyGoldstein Jun 2013 #114
No, I would not. Nye Bevan Jun 2013 #116
So we're largely in agreement MannyGoldstein Jun 2013 #126
Yes, and it was a good idea to think of using John Brown as an example (nt) Nye Bevan Jun 2013 #128
In your hypothetical, would the president fail to send in the 82nd or 101st Airborne HardTimes99 Jun 2013 #119
Can you imagine any President in the last 30 or so years MannyGoldstein Jun 2013 #123
I'd like to think Carter, Clinton and Obama would squish vermin HardTimes99 Jun 2013 #133
Not a normal president, absolutely. But I wouldn't put it past a Huckabee or a Palin (nt) Nye Bevan Jun 2013 #131
One's mind reooils at the possibility that either of them would ever get within HardTimes99 Jun 2013 #132
The Martyrdom of John Brown did more for his cause than anything else he could have done. Martin Eden Jun 2013 #99
Allow me to put a finer point on it then. Do you support (or would you have supported) HardTimes99 Jun 2013 #100
I oppose the death penalty. Martin Eden Jun 2013 #115
Well put and argued. In this debate, I see and hear strands of the debate extending HardTimes99 Jun 2013 #117
No, triggered a national catastrophe... Deep13 Jun 2013 #101
He should of been allowed to live and to see the end of that evil institution. Nika Jun 2013 #102
most revolutionaries are breaking the law when they revolt Doctor_J Jun 2013 #104
I have to admit that in many years of living I have never given it a thought tularetom Jun 2013 #105
I oppose the death penalty but would support his punishment. KittyWampus Jun 2013 #135
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