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one obvious problem - it appears Zimmerman was on the ground being hit, not TM DrDan Jun 2013 #1
He would have had to have been sitting up for the blood to run down the back of his head notadmblnd Jun 2013 #8
Not true premium Jun 2013 #74
According to one witness who had to recant brush Jun 2013 #10
no need for personal insults - here is what Good had to say yesterday DrDan Jun 2013 #15
So Martin felt his life in danger, was defending himself and was shot. hedgehog Jun 2013 #18
not going to jump to a conclusion until I hear more testimony DrDan Jun 2013 #21
You and I don't agree on much regarding firearms, but on this we're in 100% agreement n/t shadowrider Jun 2013 #71
Except the physical evidence doesn't match up Hugabear Jun 2013 #20
can't answer that - but there is certainly more testimony coming up, isn't there DrDan Jun 2013 #22
yet you keep harping and clinging to Good's testimony CatWoman Jun 2013 #36
harping? did I ever deny their testimony? DrDan Jun 2013 #38
If you insist that other posters stick to the facts, that's going to slow things down. AnotherMcIntosh Jun 2013 #48
An earlier female witness said that the larger figure was on top and got off after the shot brush Jun 2013 #24
this whole self-infliction theory is so bizarre - has ANYONE (other than here) suggested anything DrDan Jun 2013 #27
If Trayvon didn't inflict those wounds, they had to get there some other way Hugabear Jun 2013 #34
hence the need to let the testimony proceed - don't you think? DrDan Jun 2013 #40
The only problem is there were several witnesses who looked outside after the gunshot Travis_0004 Jun 2013 #131
I find the repeated attempts to excuse Zimmerman's crime bizarre ecstatic Jun 2013 #155
George himself says he tripped or fell notadmblnd Jun 2013 #167
Forensic evidence up next week B2G Jun 2013 #30
absolutely - and I think that is entirely appropriate DrDan Jun 2013 #33
Good and other witnesses who are members of the condo association have a conflict of interest. yardwork Jun 2013 #73
But wasn't the president of the HOA at the time called as a prosecution witness? Adsos Letter Jun 2013 #87
All these witnesses have been called by the prosecution. yardwork Jun 2013 #91
You're right. Adsos Letter Jun 2013 #94
Any testimony helpful toward Zimmerman is helpful to the HOA. yardwork Jun 2013 #134
The Martin family and HOA have already settled pintobean Jun 2013 #137
That is only one lawsuit. There is a possibility of many more being filed. yardwork Jun 2013 #178
Right again. Adsos Letter Jun 2013 #157
this is my understanding... handmade34 Jun 2013 #151
Also testified to yesterday: Nevernose Jun 2013 #31
interesting to note that Good could "identify" Trayvon in the dark... chillfactor Jun 2013 #82
And yet the jury was listening to him very closely, premium Jun 2013 #86
there have been problems with each key witness to date - but you play the hand DrDan Jun 2013 #175
Good also said he only heard two cries csziggy Jun 2013 #169
he is testifying to what he heard - I heard none - does that bring my credibility into question? DrDan Jun 2013 #173
Good was the only one who claimed to have gone outside csziggy Jun 2013 #176
How can anyone see the color red in the dark? You can not see colors beyond black/white/grey in the uppityperson Jun 2013 #170
that was his testimony - up to the jury to apply credibility to it DrDan Jun 2013 #171
I know. I just get annoyed with misconceptions of basic anatomy like this. uppityperson Jun 2013 #172
I do realize red will appear black without light - however, I am sure there was some ambient light DrDan Jun 2013 #174
Two women, by the way, say they saw Zimmerman on top. BlueCaliDem Jun 2013 #79
Zimmerman himself claims that he turned TM's body over after the gunshot Duer 157099 Jun 2013 #154
Why would Zimmerman do that? Is that normal for a shooter to turn a victim's body over? BlueCaliDem Jun 2013 #166
Others said it was Zimmerman on top Hugabear Jun 2013 #14
this witness was 15-20 feet away - closer than the others if I remember correctly DrDan Jun 2013 #16
Ahh . . . zimmerman was the larger guy, 40-50 lbs larger. nt brush Jun 2013 #25
Yes, Zimmerman was the larger guy Hugabear Jun 2013 #26
I thought another witness said the guy on top was wearing a red and black jacket pnwmom Jun 2013 #95
The spanish-speaking lady said she saw the red-and-black jacket on top kudzu22 Jun 2013 #163
if it happened this way, forensics will tell. loli phabay Jun 2013 #2
It would be easier to ask his brother, or even one of the cops for help receiving wounds. Ian David Jun 2013 #3
yeah and you dont think that no one would have seen that occur. loli phabay Jun 2013 #5
agree - some will twist the facts into any shape that fits their desired outcome DrDan Jun 2013 #6
Like the fact that Trayvon's hands had absolutely no bruises? Hugabear Jun 2013 #13
one scenarion were you get this is open hand on face pounding head on object loli phabay Jun 2013 #49
Didn't someone testify that bruises do not form after a person dies? cherokeeprogressive Jun 2013 #96
They should have formed while Trayvon was 'raining down blows' Hugabear Jun 2013 #99
I cannot find anything on the intertubes that says bruises form immediately. cherokeeprogressive Jun 2013 #108
I'm not saying that's how it happened. Just that it wouldn't surprise me. n/t Ian David Jun 2013 #50
if i read stuff right there were witnesses with eyes on from the fight to the emts etc loli phabay Jun 2013 #51
Then if enough of those witnesses say he was already injured, he must either... Ian David Jun 2013 #72
I think this is the most plausible scenario right here. n/t backscatter712 Jun 2013 #19
That thought occured to me also katmondoo Jun 2013 #4
or maybe a unicorn did it cthulu2016 Jun 2013 #7
My unicorn never left the garage that night. pintobean Jun 2013 #9
really? Your unicorn has a set up alibi? hollysmom Jun 2013 #78
Being invisible, it's pretty much required. nt pintobean Jun 2013 #90
you have a Romulan Unicorn? n/t hollysmom Jun 2013 #97
Did he get hit at MMA practice? NoOneMan Jun 2013 #11
GOOD QUESTION!!! uponit7771 Jun 2013 #140
I guess anything pipi_k Jun 2013 #12
Don't you find it surprising that VERY intelligent people, who are VERY well informed... cherokeeprogressive Jun 2013 #112
Surprised, yet... pipi_k Jun 2013 #186
I wouldn't put it past him. backscatter712 Jun 2013 #17
As Mr. Martin didn't lay a finger on him, obviously it wasn't Mr. Martin. therefore ... graham4anything Jun 2013 #23
The EMT testified that the nose was likey broken B2G Jun 2013 #32
you are asking the wrong person graham4anything Jun 2013 #35
I am asking the person claiming there was no broken nose B2G Jun 2013 #37
70s year apart in Sanford Florida... graham4anything Jun 2013 #43
There is no point in talking to you about this B2G Jun 2013 #46
Yep, premium Jun 2013 #80
The conclusion was reached, in part, upon the responding EMT who wrote AnotherMcIntosh Jun 2013 #102
Actually, the EMT who responded wrote in his report wrote: "Mucous Membrane Normal". AnotherMcIntosh Jun 2013 #101
+1 uponit7771 Jun 2013 #141
The doc said it might have been broken Nevernose Jun 2013 #39
she also, I thought, seemed sympathetic to the defense Voice for Peace Jun 2013 #65
Sometime in the 10 - 20 seconds pintobean Jun 2013 #47
Some of these posts make me wonder if I somehow stumbled into CokeMachine Jun 2013 #57
It's quite obvious that some people pintobean Jun 2013 #58
Yep -- Have a great Weekend!! nt CokeMachine Jun 2013 #59
You too. pintobean Jun 2013 #60
I would think it highly unlikely. egduj Jun 2013 #28
Leaks of the autopsy say there was damage to Martin's knuckles. dkf Jun 2013 #29
That's not news Just Saying Jun 2013 #45
that reads like sensationalist reporting Voice for Peace Jun 2013 #67
That's false, there was a "small abrasion" on his ring finger there was no damage to his knuckels uponit7771 Jun 2013 #142
Leaks? Seriously. Get a grip. dpibel Jun 2013 #162
I feel like his injuries may be a combination of Just Saying Jun 2013 #41
Who knows at this point, but I wouldn't put it past that murderous asshole. Arugula Latte Jun 2013 #42
Some research on the Sanford PD will give you some russspeakeasy Jun 2013 #44
I saw the video of Zimmerman walking into and at the police station, only minor DeschutesRiver Jun 2013 #52
Here's where the EMT report can be found: AnotherMcIntosh Jun 2013 #103
Thanks for that link; had not seen the EMT report before DeschutesRiver Jun 2013 #117
Here are photos of his injuries. The do not look serious. prole_for_peace Jun 2013 #123
Those kind of tiny scratches are what I remember seeing from that earlier video DeschutesRiver Jun 2013 #126
And keep in mind Zimmerman outweighed Martin by 40 pounds quinnox Jun 2013 #53
Even if I knew that breaking my own nose would keep me out of prison, Nye Bevan Jun 2013 #54
You don't have a friend who would help? AnotherMcIntosh Jun 2013 #105
So someone I could call and say "hey man! I need you to get here ASAP and break my nose!" Nye Bevan Jun 2013 #107
No smeared blood on the back of his head and no lumps RandiFan1290 Jun 2013 #55
+1 uponit7771 Jun 2013 #143
Here's the on-scene photo taken by the cop. AnotherMcIntosh Jun 2013 #56
Looks broken to me...and the EMT on scene agreed. n/t B2G Jun 2013 #63
as did the physicians assistant who treated him the following day. pintobean Jun 2013 #66
RECENTLY broken noses are accompanied by blood vessel damage as shown by black eyes. AnotherMcIntosh Jun 2013 #70
Indeed. Here's the video of her testimony pintobean Jun 2013 #109
Since the on-scene EMT reported "Mucous Membrane Normal," AnotherMcIntosh Jun 2013 #115
Or, he could have been struck by a meteorite. pintobean Jun 2013 #129
"Or, he could have been struck by a meteorite. ... in case you're interested in reality." AnotherMcIntosh Jun 2013 #136
The EMT report didn't mention his MMA buddies pintobean Jun 2013 #138
Then if you don't believe that he had such buddies, you must be right about your meteorite theory. AnotherMcIntosh Jun 2013 #139
I read medical records for a living forthemiddle Jun 2013 #168
So you "read medical records for a living" and anyone who doesn't read medical records for a living AnotherMcIntosh Jun 2013 #187
Sorry if you took it the wrong way forthemiddle Jun 2013 #189
Thank you for the info. nt pintobean Jun 2013 #190
Does it look RECENTLY broken? I'm including a link to the EMT report. AnotherMcIntosh Jun 2013 #81
In the cleaned up pic RandiFan1290 Jun 2013 #76
Also, the EMT who responded wrote in his report wrote: "Mucous Membrane Normal". AnotherMcIntosh Jun 2013 #83
Contrast that picture with this one: cherokeeprogressive Jun 2013 #114
And this is evidence photo taking a police station prole_for_peace Jun 2013 #125
I've always thought he did. connecticut yankee Jun 2013 #61
has there been testimony yet from the ME who examined Trayvon? Voice for Peace Jun 2013 #62
I think so. Starry Messenger Jun 2013 #64
Was there enough time? Adsos Letter Jun 2013 #68
deliberately self-inflicted, no TorchTheWitch Jun 2013 #69
Could Zimmerman's gun have kicked back and hit him in the nose when he shot Martin? yardwork Jun 2013 #75
Highly unlikely, premium Jun 2013 #84
Then in that case I think that Zimmerman hit himself with his own gun. It had his blood on it. yardwork Jun 2013 #88
It would seem to me that you've already convicted Zman premium Jun 2013 #93
isn't that what I said? TorchTheWitch Jun 2013 #92
Sorry, I hadn't understand that that was exactly what you said. yardwork Jun 2013 #135
Unknown. Doesn't matter. Deep13 Jun 2013 #77
Unarmed people can still kill you Recursion Jun 2013 #85
"Can't use lethal force to respond to non-lethal force"? Sure you can. Sometimes, even legally. AnotherMcIntosh Jun 2013 #110
When? nt Deep13 Jun 2013 #111
I have no doubt Zimmerman murdered Martin, but I don't think he injured himself other Hoyt Jun 2013 #89
And you have no doubt that most gun owners are RW bigots premium Jun 2013 #100
No question in my mind. Just go to a friggin gun show, gun store, range or whatever you choose. Hoyt Jun 2013 #104
7 people out of, how many, 80+ million? premium Jun 2013 #106
Yes, gun shows are models of racial diversity Hugabear Jun 2013 #113
So AA and Latinos don't buy firearms also? premium Jun 2013 #116
Prem, wise up. If white folks weren't irrationally afraid of minorities, we wouldn't have a problem. Hoyt Jun 2013 #118
You're on a roll Hoyt, premium Jun 2013 #122
Yet gun violence is mainly intra-racial hack89 Jun 2013 #156
Gun Shows I attended in Las Vegas, Reno, Carson City sure were. nt. premium Jun 2013 #124
7 my ass. Hoyt Jun 2013 #119
Wow, 14 out of 80+ million gun owners? premium Jun 2013 #121
We're talking about gun shows Hugabear Jun 2013 #132
Do try to keep up, premium Jun 2013 #133
Uh huh. RichardPatrick Jun 2013 #128
Only page with matching images...... RandiFan1290 Jun 2013 #158
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Welcome Back! RandiFan1290 Jun 2013 #160
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Buh bye troll jackbag! RandiFan1290 Jun 2013 #165
How many gun shows have you gone to? Didn't you say at least once that you were a former robber AnotherMcIntosh Jun 2013 #145
Neither, but you are obviously a gun lover. Hoyt Jun 2013 #146
Actually, you said, "As a former robber, I locked the door to keep people out" AnotherMcIntosh Jun 2013 #147
Mac, it was a response to your or another gun nuts' stupid statement. Hoyt Jun 2013 #148
I didn't even post in that thread, so you didn't respond to me. AnotherMcIntosh Jun 2013 #150
You are still too obtuse to get it, worse you stalk posters. Hoyt Jun 2013 #153
Staging could be a possibility. moondust Jun 2013 #98
The wounds on the back of his head could have come from falling on the sidewalk. prole_for_peace Jun 2013 #120
I've always had the faint suspicion his daddy beat the hell out of him Warpy Jun 2013 #127
No bruises on Martin's hands could be a result of mwrguy Jun 2013 #130
...nope, played balled and used them all the time..they would swell like mad until I got gloves... uponit7771 Jun 2013 #144
I read initial reports that he refused EMT assistance AtomicKitten Jun 2013 #149
Don't you actually have to be alive to have bruises? grok Jun 2013 #152
If the prosecutor has some evidence that GZ's injuries were self-inflicted kudzu22 Jun 2013 #164
well the first witness was there in like thirty seconds so backwoodsbob Jun 2013 #177
The injuries could have been caused by recoil when he fired the gun. yardwork Jun 2013 #179
oh come on...this is getting silly backwoodsbob Jun 2013 #180
If was hit by recoil he didn't calculate at all. yardwork Jun 2013 #181
I never said he was a victim backwoodsbob Jun 2013 #182
Zimmerman's defense depends entirely on him being a victim. yardwork Jun 2013 #183
of course backwoodsbob Jun 2013 #185
My guess is Politicalboi Jun 2013 #184
my guess is backwoodsbob Jun 2013 #188
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