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Of course it isn't. Why else would a constitutional lawyer President classify it so extraordinarily? Catherina Jun 2013 #1
or federal courts say it isn't? arely staircase Jun 2013 #15
What courts? reusrename Jun 2013 #40
The FISA court that issued the warrant that Snowden leaked clearly thinks it is arely staircase Jun 2013 #43
I really disagree. reusrename Jun 2013 #58
I don't like secret courts either. But I can understand them for certain warrants. arely staircase Jun 2013 #60
I think it is becoming clear how the FISA court acts. reusrename Jun 2013 #63
thanks for that info. arely staircase Jun 2013 #65
Snowden's arrest warrant and the survelliance program are separate legal issues Martin Eden Jun 2013 #85
" But courts are not going to declare this illegal." Strange logic. rhett o rick Jun 2013 #86
Even the Rubber Stamp known as FISA has ruled that the NSA has violated the constitution think Jun 2013 #101
proud to be 5th rec nashville_brook Jun 2013 #2
Waiting for the gang to show up and tell us how this is all legal Hydra Jun 2013 #3
more kill the messenger posts.. frylock Jun 2013 #12
Chinese officials were asolutely scathing in their response to truedelphi Jun 2013 #4
The World is laughing at the hypocrisy. bvar22 Jun 2013 #9
The world is indeed laughing at US, or worse. 99th_Monkey Jun 2013 #14
I wait with baited breath for us to be corrected nadinbrzezinski Jun 2013 #5
What 'disease'? Do you refer to the dreaded 'cognitive thinking malady'? randome Jun 2013 #17
.... questionseverything Jun 2013 #96
... questionseverything Jun 2013 #97
I don't get your objection. randome Jun 2013 #105
where they in touch with Snowden for some answers we don't have yet? n/t Whisp Jun 2013 #6
If anyone is looking for a specific statute (and some appologists have demanded that others AnotherMcIntosh Jun 2013 #7
You've claimed to be an attorney. Could you cite the statutes broken? When you were an attorney, msanthrope Jun 2013 #11
USC Title 18 Part I Chapter 119 § 2511 wtmusic Jun 2013 #19
Oh lordy....read your first sentence. Then read sub-section (2)-- msanthrope Jun 2013 #23
Lordy, yourself. (e) and (f) refer to foreign intelligence, not domestic. wtmusic Jun 2013 #30
But he provided the warrant. The one to Verizon. If he's got other info, he should release it. msanthrope Jun 2013 #31
Eric Holder determined he could keep anything they picked up as a boo-boo. wtmusic Jun 2013 #35
Absolutely they can. I'll give you a hypo. msanthrope Jun 2013 #38
Not analogous wtmusic Jun 2013 #39
Nonsense. Agent Mike needs a warrant (like the one produced by Mr. Snowden.) The problem is that msanthrope Jun 2013 #41
The FISA court is not entitled to authorize interception of ANY domestic calls. wtmusic Jun 2013 #42
You are conflating two different things--domestic calls to foreign entities and calls that msanthrope Jun 2013 #45
No, I'm not. wtmusic Jun 2013 #46
Wikipedia? Ok. And thank you for admitting that you were wrong about FISA interception. nt msanthrope Jun 2013 #47
I'm admitting no such thing wtmusic Jun 2013 #50
I am a lawyer...which is why I am laughing at your cite of Wikipedia. nt msanthrope Jun 2013 #66
There's a number at the end of the quote in Wikipedia wtmusic Jun 2013 #67
It is not from Harvard Law. It is from the Kennedy School of Government and the Belfer Center and msanthrope Jun 2013 #68
Good. Since I've got you in a less dismissive mood now wtmusic Jun 2013 #69
Prove that the government intercepts and stores the communications of every American. nt msanthrope Jun 2013 #70
None of this is new. wtmusic Jun 2013 #71
None of this is proof. You've made a fantastical claim--that the communications of all Americans msanthrope Jun 2013 #73
Wow - you haven't been paying attention. wtmusic Jun 2013 #74
Apparently I have been paying better attention. You have made the fantastical claim that all msanthrope Jun 2013 #87
But Snowden said he "saw things"! He said stuff! How much clearer do you need it to be? randome Jun 2013 #88
How odd that you discount eyewitness testimony. wtmusic Jun 2013 #90
James fiucking Sensenbrenner. Next up...Tom Delay on DOJ overreach....nt msanthrope Jun 2013 #106
And I've provided evidence. In 12 posts here, all you've provided is attitude. wtmusic Jun 2013 #89
excerpt from the ohio free press follows questionseverything Jun 2013 #93
just a look at how this started questionseverything Jun 2013 #95
So you've moved on from a House impeachment manager to an NYT op-ed? msanthrope Jun 2013 #104
If it's too daunting, no problem. nt wtmusic Jun 2013 #107
I guess you were wrong. wtmusic Jun 2013 #109
Slides? From a guy charged with espionage? That's your proof? nt msanthrope Jun 2013 #110
Those are screenshots of the Prism user interface. wtmusic Jun 2013 #111
But does the law consider the metadata of what phone number called cstanleytech Jun 2013 #24
Yes, it does. All data. nt wtmusic Jun 2013 #26
And ???????? cstanleytech Jun 2013 #28
And...it's prohibited. wtmusic Jun 2013 #32
Even with a warrant its prohibited? cstanleytech Jun 2013 #33
See #35. nt wtmusic Jun 2013 #36
Ugh, I think that the court is just going to have to resolve this as it looks like a mess. cstanleytech Jun 2013 #57
Read the NYT article, the case against the NSA couldn't get much clearer. wtmusic Jun 2013 #62
The NY Times article does point to FISA and to the Patriot Act. eomer Jun 2013 #37
Thanks. 18 U.S.C. § 2511 AnotherMcIntosh Jun 2013 #51
But remember 911 changed everything. zeemike Jun 2013 #8
If only America LWolf Jun 2013 #44
Well, are any of these legal experts on the Supreme Court or is this group some of the same Thinkingabout Jun 2013 #10
bbbbut the Sino-Russo-Bolivarian-Greenwaldian Axis!!!! MisterP Jun 2013 #13
kick ....n/t Ichingcarpenter Jun 2013 #16
knr Douglas Carpenter Jun 2013 #18
The sad thing is that about 1/2 our population loves criminal acts Corruption Inc Jun 2013 #20
And I'm sure you can provide the case law that supports this opinion. baldguy Jun 2013 #21
are you claiming that an op-ed doesn't have legal force? Warren Stupidity Jun 2013 #78
Post removed Post removed Jun 2013 #80
Well that was a cheap shot. I had no say in what my parents named me. Warren Stupidity Jun 2013 #81
Problem is though that SCOTUS has not stepped in and said it was criminal. cstanleytech Jun 2013 #22
Congress already prohibited this: 18 U.S.C. § 2511 AnotherMcIntosh Jun 2013 #52
SCOTUS doesn't "step in" to anything. Warren Stupidity Jun 2013 #83
I am well aware that the courts usually take a hands off approach to such cases cstanleytech Jun 2013 #94
another kick Douglas Carpenter Jun 2013 #25
K&R forestpath Jun 2013 #27
The Patiot Act Herlong Jun 2013 #29
This is a really good article marions ghost Jun 2013 #34
And what's worse, writes The Nation's Jonathan Schell marions ghost Jun 2013 #48
Great post. woo me with science Jun 2013 #54
Back atcha marions ghost Jun 2013 #55
+1000000000000000000000 blackspade Jun 2013 #49
+10000000000. K&R woo me with science Jun 2013 #53
This is an eye opening post Harmony Blue Jun 2013 #56
I agree. With 75 recs and so many posts, it's still not ANYwhere on the home page, 99th_Monkey Jun 2013 #64
k & r! nt wildbilln864 Jun 2013 #59
+ Infinity - The American Democracy And Constitution Has Clearly Died cantbeserious Jun 2013 #61
K+R sibelian Jun 2013 #72
Things would be better if they were illegal, unfortunately, this is the law that got passed Recursion Jun 2013 #75
By the logic of some in this thread, legally, the Nazis were justified in doing what they did. Democracyinkind Jun 2013 #76
As much as I hate bringing up the Nazis 99th_Monkey Jun 2013 #77
"two legal scholars" DCBob Jun 2013 #79
I think more could be found who say it was illegal, however, is populist media support HereSince1628 Jun 2013 #82
perhaps but.. DCBob Jun 2013 #84
Of course there's a great way to counter it wtmusic Jun 2013 #91
HUGE K & R !!! - Thank You !!! WillyT Jun 2013 #92
thanx for the kick. ~nt 99th_Monkey Jun 2013 #100
k&r. thanks for posting this. nt limpyhobbler Jun 2013 #98
u r most welcome . ~nt 99th_Monkey Jun 2013 #99
Millions of people have sulphurdunn Jun 2013 #102
Very good point. Snowden is going with what he "believes is right" 99th_Monkey Jun 2013 #103
Yes, sulphurdunn Jun 2013 #108
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