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There are a lot of DUers on the same email list. WilliamPitt Jun 2013 #1
I have no idea what you are talking about. MineralMan Jun 2013 #4
LOL WilliamPitt Jun 2013 #22
Sorry. I still don't have any idea. MineralMan Jun 2013 #25
No, of course you don't. WilliamPitt Jun 2013 #28
I have no idea either leftynyc Jun 2013 #146
Thus speaks the ex-freeper Katashi_itto Jun 2013 #94
But the Ron Paul fan is A-OK? baldguy Jun 2013 #112
I missed the ROn Paul fan. morningfog Jun 2013 #131
Discussion aside, I *love the clip! ROTFLOL nt silvershadow Jun 2013 #61
Post removed Post removed Jun 2013 #54
Didn't get the email, but if Snowden has no honor, what about our GOVERNMENT - and an oath called chimpymustgo Jun 2013 #173
You are so not kidding. sibelian Jun 2013 #8
"develop an event horizon" Vinnie From Indy Jun 2013 #52
?? babylonsister Jun 2013 #42
Because it isn't his own. nm Cha Jun 2013 #70
I don't think he has one on anything. Whisp Jun 2013 #174
or on the same payroll... n/t backscatter712 Jun 2013 #118
Honor means nothing Harmony Blue Jun 2013 #2
:( Puzzledtraveller Jun 2013 #3
If we never had oathbreakers LittleBlue Jun 2013 #5
Hear, hear CanonRay Jun 2013 #164
Post removed Post removed Jun 2013 #6
I was gonna say.. TransitJohn Jun 2013 #10
...nt MineralMan Jun 2013 #14
It appears telling an Obama supporter to BlueCaliDem Jun 2013 #44
It would seem to me the infiltrators would be those that are fine with the secret, wholesale spying. RC Jun 2013 #106
So what's that make the traitors who spy on America? Octafish Jun 2013 #7
Excellent questions. JEB Jun 2013 #66
THANK YOU !! YOHABLO Jun 2013 #103
What does that make the Pres pscot Jun 2013 #9
Good point Harmony Blue Jun 2013 #19
Yeah, and so is Daniel Ellsberg. Gregorian Jun 2013 #11
Secret plans should remain secret! Hissyspit Jun 2013 #26
Our government is without honor. Honorable people oppose it. scarletwoman Jun 2013 #12
What about our leaders oaths to protect the constitution? dkf Jun 2013 #13
+100 RC Jun 2013 #107
If his oath included a promise to uphold and protect the Constitution then he avebury Jun 2013 #15
Your father is a great man who should be rightfully revered for his service... Cooley Hurd Jun 2013 #16
You "singed" many papers? sibelian Jun 2013 #17
I am posting on a Kindle Fire. MineralMan Jun 2013 #21
He ran the incinerator jmowreader Jun 2013 #24
Under your logic, ANY whistle-blower who promised secrecy and later, for the good of the many, Logical Jun 2013 #18
Anyone that tells the truth Aerows Jun 2013 #36
So true here lately. Attack the messenger. n-t Logical Jun 2013 #74
No doubt German soldiers running concentration camps took had taken oaths. snot Jun 2013 #20
Mineral Man is a Freeper without Honor. bahrbearian Jun 2013 #23
...nt MineralMan Jun 2013 #27
NT to the Freeper bahrbearian Jun 2013 #29
Juror #5 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE and said: It's true. MM was an avid participant in FreeRepublic L0oniX Jun 2013 #48
well ther you have it..... Pharaoh Jun 2013 #58
Chuckle! madinmaryland Jun 2013 #35
Hee Hee, Freepers NT bahrbearian Jun 2013 #38
how interesting... that explains quite a lot (or is that top secret) usGovOwesUs3Trillion Jun 2013 #64
Have a look at post #6 for more info. idwiyo Jun 2013 #120
Ah yes. The authoritarian code. The law trumps morality. nm rhett o rick Jun 2013 #30
What does that make a spy agency that ignores it's country's own constitution & laws? think Jun 2013 #31
Yes, we must ALL follow orders! Pholus Jun 2013 #32
Too many boxes in his garage Aerows Jun 2013 #33
Since you worked for the NSA in the 60s how many Vietnamese did you help kill? former9thward Jun 2013 #34
Nothing I did there had anything to do MineralMan Jun 2013 #37
But did Nixon give you a Medal? bahrbearian Jun 2013 #41
No. MineralMan Jun 2013 #43
Duty ,does that mean on your Knees. bahrbearian Jun 2013 #45
Nope. It means that I was an orderly one day. MineralMan Jun 2013 #47
Real classy. randome Jun 2013 #57
I'd like to know what the fuck you mean by that remark. jaysunb Jun 2013 #63
You have got to be kidding. former9thward Jun 2013 #68
No I'm not kidding jaysunb Jun 2013 #71
Most people who fought in Vietnam were drafted. They had no choice. former9thward Jun 2013 #81
Only 1/3 of Vietnam-era veterans, and less than a quarter of Vietnam veterans, were drafted Recursion Jun 2013 #143
All the people who went to Vietnam that I knew were drafted and I knew a lot. former9thward Jun 2013 #168
I lived in San Diego with 2 Vietnam Vets in 1979 ConcernedCanuk Jun 2013 #125
my view is a bit different than yours steve2470 Jun 2013 #39
Very well said. n/t RiverLover Jun 2013 #104
thank you ! nt steve2470 Jun 2013 #105
I respect you, but I can not agree with my country when wrong. n/t RKP5637 Jun 2013 #40
There are ways to disagree. MineralMan Jun 2013 #46
The previous NSA whistleblowers didn't get anywhere by going through the legal channels. dkf Jun 2013 #122
And some of them released the information to the public. MineralMan Jun 2013 #161
What is he? Jesus? Ready to be tortured for this damned country? dkf Jun 2013 #165
Wait. So now you're saying if had stuck around it would have been OK? progressoid Jun 2013 #133
bullshit pasto76 Jun 2013 #49
Greenwald admitted to talking with Snowden before his latest gig at the NSA. randome Jun 2013 #53
That's interesting. Have any sources? GoneFishin Jun 2013 #56
Links. randome Jun 2013 #59
That does not make the prism spying debacle any better. quakerboy Jun 2013 #76
Yeah, good point. The privatization bullshit needs to stop. randome Jun 2013 #86
I wonder if Wikileaks was involved with this from the beginning. n/t pnwmom Jun 2013 #96
Nothing to indicate that but it's interesting speculation. randome Jun 2013 #157
Put my opinion down as one that differs. rug Jun 2013 #50
Your father is absolutely right. Keeping your word is paramount. But like a contract that is GoneFishin Jun 2013 #51
"I gave my word and my oath." Vinnie From Indy Jun 2013 #55
frankly, I do not care DonCoquixote Jun 2013 #60
We Will Have To Agree To Disagree - The Death Of The 4th Amendment Is Very Important To Many cantbeserious Jun 2013 #62
And Washington D.C., And Wall Street, Are Filled With HUNDREDS Of The Same, At The HIGHEST Levels... WillyT Jun 2013 #65
You, Mineral Man, lied to my face about your history of posting anti gay crap all over the Bluenorthwest Jun 2013 #67
+1 idwiyo Jun 2013 #114
But, he ran off to China and helped them out and now he's Cha Jun 2013 #69
The Kardashians are withour honor as well. East Coast Pirate Jun 2013 #72
By your definition, the SS were men of honor. Daemonaquila Jun 2013 #73
+ Democracy Octafish Jun 2013 #117
Actually, it's the elected officials of the Bush and Obama administrations JDPriestly Jun 2013 #75
I forgive you for whatever horrible things you did for the NSA in the 60's. DefenseLawyer Jun 2013 #77
+1 - and a traitor to his country Politicub Jun 2013 #78
That's the best you've got? "He signed many statements..." Apophis Jun 2013 #79
Snowden was a systems administrator, not an intelligence analyst. randome Jun 2013 #83
So, if he didn't see a thing... NealK Jun 2013 #99
Are you asking why the Administration wants to stop him giving secrets away? randome Jun 2013 #155
Honor? Who gives a rat's ass about honor? morningfog Jun 2013 #80
yes he is. madrchsod Jun 2013 #82
I agree and respect one who can honor their oath Blue_Roses Jun 2013 #84
That's a talking point myth that has been debunked by prior leakers who tried those "options" and GoneFishin Jun 2013 #116
that makes no sense Blue_Roses Jun 2013 #138
I never met him so I couldn't really know much about him personally NoOneMan Jun 2013 #85
I see your point - if we have to choose between living under a surveillance state with no discussion Douglas Carpenter Jun 2013 #87
Those days of honor are behind us. Nt galileoreloaded Jun 2013 #88
you make an important distinction Puzzledtraveller Jun 2013 #89
He needed a "code red" Gitmo style Puzzledtraveller Jun 2013 #90
You want mineral man on that wall!! DefenseLawyer Jun 2013 #92
I'm sure there are quite a lot of DUers bound by these same commitments matt819 Jun 2013 #91
I was an E-4 in the USAF. MineralMan Jun 2013 #151
I do have a different opinion MNBrewer Jun 2013 #93
Thus the American Revolution was a war without honor. mhatrw Jun 2013 #95
I'll leave you with this: bobclark86 Jun 2013 #97
If the NSA were turning into the Stasi in your day would you have had the balls to stand up to them? Ford_Prefect Jun 2013 #98
So keep one's word no matter what. RoccoR5955 Jun 2013 #100
it does HiPointDem Jun 2013 #101
If there was only a way to get this to him. Union Scribe Jun 2013 #102
You are correct in all save one point. sulphurdunn Jun 2013 #108
Absolutely? In every circumstance? primavera Jun 2013 #109
Interesting reasoning. Coccydynia Jun 2013 #110
Honor is a value from the past. It has little currency in today's world. Kablooie Jun 2013 #111
Yea, trying to be honorable sulphurdunn Jun 2013 #113
Unless you are independently wealthy you will eventually go hungry without it nolabels Jun 2013 #119
Doesn't the oath include the phrase backscatter712 Jun 2013 #115
Wrong, wrong, wrong. GoneOffShore Jun 2013 #121
No honor in running to Ecuador railsback Jun 2013 #123
I would rather he'd have honored his oath and if he had information with an overwhelming need.... marble falls Jun 2013 #124
Exactly. If he felt that what he knew was so important MineralMan Jun 2013 #153
Not an unreasonable position, I don't understand why some of us here don't get it. marble falls Jun 2013 #160
Lulz. TransitJohn Jun 2013 #126
Honor= Selflessly doing the right thing no matter what it costs you. Bonobo Jun 2013 #127
If that were true railsback Jun 2013 #128
Why? Deep13 Jun 2013 #130
If he were 'selflessly' doing the right thing railsback Jun 2013 #136
Of course he has reason to run. Deep13 Jun 2013 #149
Self preservation railsback Jun 2013 #166
That's not true. Bonobo Jun 2013 #132
Self sacrifice railsback Jun 2013 #135
Leaving one's country, one's family, one's lover, one's life... Bonobo Jun 2013 #140
Wow. That's some insight into Snowden's personality. railsback Jun 2013 #144
Self sacrifice or running out? Running away is clouding the real issue: government invasion of marble falls Jun 2013 #162
So what? Deep13 Jun 2013 #129
And you are a man without shame. Maven Jun 2013 #134
! idwiyo Jun 2013 #163
Snowden is an arsehole. HipChick Jun 2013 #137
Dick Cheney. delrem Jun 2013 #139
This place is getting scary weird; the Nazi-like moral disconnects are truly frightening. Zorra Jun 2013 #141
Fair argument, as far as it goes. Savannahmann Jun 2013 #142
If Snowden had information he believed had to be shared, MineralMan Jun 2013 #156
I don't care about Snowden. It's not about him. It's about the spying! Scuba Jun 2013 #145
So if you found something Dorian Gray Jun 2013 #147
I did not discover such information. I declined a job MineralMan Jun 2013 #158
While he has leaked some leftynyc Jun 2013 #148
I'm not going to rehash that stuff. MineralMan Jun 2013 #159
And MineralMan is an HonorableMan (nt) muriel_volestrangler Jun 2013 #150
... The Link Jun 2013 #152
Luckily Stauffenberg disagreed about this conception of honor. Democracyinkind Jun 2013 #154
And the concept of honor was very strong in the Old South kmart2 Jun 2013 #167
Welcome to DU! silvershadow Jun 2013 #170
Wow, way to tar yourself Hydra Jun 2013 #169
When Constitution and secondary oath conflict, WHICH GETS YOUR HONOR? Festivito Jun 2013 #171
That's simple. If that conflict arose, which it did not MineralMan Jun 2013 #172
Clearly a case of "do as I say, not as I do". idwiyo Jun 2013 #176
Username + topic of this OP = Comedy Central! Thank you for the laugh. idwiyo Jun 2013 #175
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