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Maedhros

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160. This excerpt refers to the status
Fri Jun 21, 2013, 02:56 PM
Jun 2013

of the "inadvertently acquired" communications.

If the NSA acquires an encrypted domestic communication, it is retained.

So, it is over a broader scope than just "Terra" Pholus Jun 2013 #1
+1 n/t Catherina Jun 2013 #27
False DallasNE Jun 2013 #144
That depends on your interpretation of 3(b)(4), 5(2) and 6(b)(8) of the document. Pholus Jun 2013 #145
You're Changing The Subject DallasNE Jun 2013 #154
I should have been more direct. Your "False" is false. Pholus Jun 2013 #165
What Is Not Said DallasNE Jun 2013 #173
Obviously no. Pholus Jun 2013 #175
Good Exchange DallasNE Jun 2013 #180
Yes, it was worthwhile. Pholus Jun 2013 #181
Every attorney who gives a shit about his or her ethical obligations to clients should HardTimes99 Jun 2013 #146
Section 4 says the right words Pholus Jun 2013 #149
is it a bird, is it a plane, no its supercatherina Monkie Jun 2013 #2
Sorry my friend. I just logged into my twitter feed and there it was Catherina Jun 2013 #10
this is _it_ there is no escaping this now, this is willful misinterpretation of the intent Monkie Jun 2013 #12
Wyden said this in '11: "secret interpretation" of the law MisterP Jun 2013 #156
And, I guess, some of the analysts work for Booz Allen which I hear is owned by the Carlyle byeya Jun 2013 #3
You nailed that part of it. We are paying for all of this and Bushco makes the profit n/t Catherina Jun 2013 #4
Thanks for the corroboration, as bad as the truth makes me feel. byeya Jun 2013 #7
In other words RobertEarl Jun 2013 #5
Or where John Edwards was going to meet his mistress, and Ellitiot Spitzer, and and and Catherina Jun 2013 #11
Not sure why these items would be that big a concern. randome Jun 2013 #6
I've decided to look on the bright side. Soviet jokes *were* falling out of fashion. Pholus Jun 2013 #8
I would bet the Bill of Rights would not apply to that parrot. randome Jun 2013 #13
Is extraordinary rendition off the books yet? Pholus Jun 2013 #15
"So. What're you in for, kid?" randome Jun 2013 #16
You asked for it... and it is old and crusty! Pholus Jun 2013 #18
Only two hours? The CIA advisor probably said, "Let's wrap this up." That always works with a mummy. randome Jun 2013 #20
:) Pholus Jun 2013 #22
so you two doing the classic derailment or you actually going to say anything on topic? Monkie Jun 2013 #25
Seriously, it's just gallows humor. Pholus Jun 2013 #30
yes malokvale77 Jun 2013 #53
Yep...clasic hijack zeemike Jun 2013 #78
I guess you'll have to explain that. Pholus Jun 2013 #98
Rationalizations are meant to be sufficient. zeemike Jun 2013 #102
I'll have to take that under advisement then. Pholus Jun 2013 #103
Re: Gallows Humor--its understandable KoKo Jun 2013 #123
Yup, that's the point. Pholus Jun 2013 #147
I accept your explanation as I have been iemitsu Jun 2013 #137
LOL Marrah_G Jun 2013 #143
because 3 of the points make a circular argument, breaking the seeming intent of the law Monkie Jun 2013 #9
Sure, 'inadvertently' could be claimed at any time, used as a loophole. randome Jun 2013 #14
data/content from a US machine, im sorry, if you cant see this there just is no hope for you Monkie Jun 2013 #19
"For the purposes of ceasing surveillance." randome Jun 2013 #24
"unless they contain usable intelligence" Monkie Jun 2013 #33
No, I don't. "Inadvertently acquired" is a key phrase. randome Jun 2013 #37
so this "Inadvertently acquired" is that a key phrase or a loophole? Monkie Jun 2013 #58
It can be both. randome Jun 2013 #61
You're much more optimistic than I am Jarla Jun 2013 #69
They aren't all saints. But they aren't all monsters, either. randome Jun 2013 #84
Are you sure they are not all monsters? iemitsu Jun 2013 #138
your bet on that chain of command, is that a 51% coin toss? Monkie Jun 2013 #75
I would think that very question is asked by a supervisor. randome Jun 2013 #85
Have you considered writing fo rthe Onion? Jackpine Radical Jun 2013 #104
Every email you send or receive is probably encrypted at some point MannyGoldstein Jun 2013 #106
Read some of the other posts on this thread. randome Jun 2013 #110
It's the "oversight" and "chain of command" in the wild world of the internets KoKo Jun 2013 #125
Hell, yes, too much is being privatized and outsourced. randome Jun 2013 #126
Try Reading the things giftedgirl77 Jun 2013 #17
ohoh, our debunked anonymous "expert" has arrived Monkie Jun 2013 #23
That's the difference between you & me giftedgirl77 Jun 2013 #29
i never used the word bullshit, or called constitutional lawyers with harvard education a joke Monkie Jun 2013 #31
Yes, I called Greenwald a joke giftedgirl77 Jun 2013 #35
so the ACLU lawyer that exposed the bush torture docs is just spinning Monkie Jun 2013 #38
I provided the link that actually has the giftedgirl77 Jun 2013 #49
Amen. BenzoDia Jun 2013 #47
The domestic communication section in the doc states that inadvertent collections are BenzoDia Jun 2013 #21
like i said earlier today, spying on americans is the job of the FBI Monkie Jun 2013 #26
Well then the Guardian needs to produce some FBI docs to back up their claims of abuse. BenzoDia Jun 2013 #28
The Guardian doesn't seem to be in the business of producing anything concrete railsback Jun 2013 #40
With their painfully long walls of text to beat their average readers into agreement. BenzoDia Jun 2013 #46
Either ignore is working nadinbrzezinski Jun 2013 #32
You're forgiven. randome Jun 2013 #34
im wrestling with one or two stubborn people. Monkie Jun 2013 #36
This is not about coomies (the original reason) or terrorists. nadinbrzezinski Jun 2013 #44
And to protect the self many are in denial. malokvale77 Jun 2013 #65
Mine is working beautifully. Catherina Jun 2013 #43
Perhaps mine s working too nadinbrzezinski Jun 2013 #45
talking points have arrived!oh boy are they weak Monkie Jun 2013 #48
Wow, that is weak sauce! nadinbrzezinski Jun 2013 #50
i missed one other one, that one is comedy gold Monkie Jun 2013 #55
I guess the actual documents are nothing nadinbrzezinski Jun 2013 #56
those are suddenly part of "painfully long walls of text" Monkie Jun 2013 #60
Yeah, but when they are into personal attacks nadinbrzezinski Jun 2013 #63
i can relate to that, for me its not the personal attacks, its the casual racism and Monkie Jun 2013 #73
Were you ProSense Jun 2013 #51
Yes, but to be fair, Snowden said he "saw things". randome Jun 2013 #52
I don't think they can see you. zeemike Jun 2013 #86
Have any Military Intel Lawyers arrived yet? They're all over twitter blowing a gasket Catherina Jun 2013 #68
we had/have a pretend lawyer here, not sure if they were intel or not, stupid yes Monkie Jun 2013 #72
That't what it boils down to in Authoritarian states: "This is the law" Catherina Jun 2013 #95
right now its like the twilight zone in here? Monkie Jun 2013 #97
Lol! Cute. There's a concerted effort, from on high down, to play this down Catherina Jun 2013 #101
the bbc is ignoring this too, so similar, but without advertising or captain crunch Monkie Jun 2013 #107
Unflattering is putting it kindly Catherina Jun 2013 #111
This reminds me that it is illegal to use Psy-Ops on iemitsu Jun 2013 #140
good point, the dead reporter did a piece on this issue? Monkie Jun 2013 #158
Yep, he is the one who exposed the "military experts" iemitsu Jun 2013 #182
i deliberately havent commented on the accident Monkie Jun 2013 #183
Yep. I have not commented on the crash before either, iemitsu Jun 2013 #184
If accurate, that's much better than I had worried Recursion Jun 2013 #39
No kidding. If it wasn't a Guardian article, I'd suspect that the NSA purposely leaked those to BenzoDia Jun 2013 #54
So ProSense Jun 2013 #41
Odd that this is secret rather than TS. (nt) Recursion Jun 2013 #42
So what are the "limitations on NSA's ability to filter communications"? Jarla Jun 2013 #57
They admit to 51% foreignnerness nadinbrzezinski Jun 2013 #59
Do you know the source for that figure? Jarla Jun 2013 #62
Alexander's testimony nadinbrzezinski Jun 2013 #64
so basically a coin toss to see if your foreign? Monkie Jun 2013 #74
Nope, and if your call went through Mexico or Canda nadinbrzezinski Jun 2013 #76
i bet you remember the US to US calls that were routed through canada Monkie Jun 2013 #80
Yup, and in southern borders nadinbrzezinski Jun 2013 #82
Information Week. randome Jun 2013 #67
That refers to 51% confidence in a target's foreignness. randome Jun 2013 #66
in the real world 51% confidence interval means, im guessing Monkie Jun 2013 #90
Eh. Law enforcement often depends on guesswork, instinct, chance. randome Jun 2013 #91
a day ago it was, we never target americans by accident to, oh well, we guess and go by a 51% chance Monkie Jun 2013 #92
You are missing the point, Monkey, along with a lot of other people. Th1onein Jun 2013 #115
i think i am way ahead of the point personally Monkie Jun 2013 #119
Thank you, Monkie! Th1onein Jun 2013 #121
Somewhere in heaven Kafka smiles ruefully - nt HardTimes99 Jun 2013 #153
This needs to be its own OP, imo. Very powerful stuff you've written here and it HardTimes99 Jun 2013 #152
if you mean Th1onein, he does have a OP where he discusses this Monkie Jun 2013 #185
Yeah, I saw it and am glad he made it an OP. Thanks for the heads-up! - nt HardTimes99 Jun 2013 #186
This is disturbing: Maedhros Jun 2013 #70
I think the NSA lied to the President. kentuck Jun 2013 #81
That's how I want to see it marions ghost Jun 2013 #112
I would like to see it that way, also.... KoKo Jun 2013 #127
Yep, needs the light of day marions ghost Jun 2013 #133
THis is J Edgar Hoover territory AngryAmish Jun 2013 #118
And...just like during Hoover there was fear in the Press...fear everywhere.. KoKo Jun 2013 #128
The key phrase is still "inadvertently acquired". randome Jun 2013 #87
The only rational thing to do at this point Maedhros Jun 2013 #88
I can't see anyone advocating for MORE secrecy. randome Jun 2013 #89
The recent memories of the "Starr Commission" put off any "special or outside" KoKo Jun 2013 #120
That's depressing. randome Jun 2013 #124
the nsa does the encryption questionseverything Jun 2013 #94
I don't think so. Maedhros Jun 2013 #136
where do you see the word user? questionseverything Jun 2013 #139
This excerpt refers to the status Maedhros Jun 2013 #160
i think what it is saying is questionseverything Jun 2013 #171
"heaviest users of PGP-encrypted email are lawyers handling confidential, privileged attorney-client Catherina Jun 2013 #117
K&R Katashi_itto Jun 2013 #71
HUGE K & R !!! - Thank You !!! WillyT Jun 2013 #77
Bookmarked! kentuck Jun 2013 #79
That information is not available at this time. randome Jun 2013 #83
"exceptionally grave damage" v "serious damage" if made public and means of collection Catherina Jun 2013 #93
K&R marions ghost Jun 2013 #113
K & R AzDar Jun 2013 #96
Was this leaked by the NSA to make them look better? JaneyVee Jun 2013 #99
As far as conspiracy theories go, yours is a more likely one. randome Jun 2013 #100
WaPo and the NYT: ProSense Jun 2013 #105
better than what? the romanians under Ceausescu? Monkie Jun 2013 #108
Probably. kentuck Jun 2013 #109
What about dual nationals? JDPriestly Jun 2013 #114
If they're contacting overseas they're fair game, even if a reasonable suspicion. Catherina Jun 2013 #116
Another racist hater bumming out the worshipper zombies. L0oniX Jun 2013 #122
No, I am not a racist hater. I am a self-hating Black hater. Whatever the fuck that is Catherina Jun 2013 #129
You get your Klan robes and pointy hat in the mail yet? backscatter712 Jun 2013 #132
Lol for the video! Naw, I'm still picking the cotton to weave my own n/t Catherina Jun 2013 #134
Everyone needs a hobby! backscatter712 Jun 2013 #135
"Canadian sympathizers" LMFAO +1 L0oniX Jun 2013 #148
Calling fellow Democrats Racist is the new "Commie Baiting" from the past. KoKo Jun 2013 #130
Government & corporate shills ...and plain ol zombie worshippers. L0oniX Jun 2013 #150
B-b-b-but SNOOOOOWDEN!!! backscatter712 Jun 2013 #131
Stop This Nonsense DallasNE Jun 2013 #141
Now that Snowden's resume has been found to be full of holes... randome Jun 2013 #142
So How Did Snowden Land A Job At CIA Before This Gig DallasNE Jun 2013 #151
All good questions. I think the unraveling of Greenwald/Snowden has begun. randome Jun 2013 #155
You mean like the unravelling of OWS? Lol! When you make predictions like this I sabrina 1 Jun 2013 #161
We Are Totally On The Same Page n/t DallasNE Jun 2013 #164
will you please stop you character assassination and the "good german" act Monkie Jun 2013 #157
Who Are You DallasNE Jun 2013 #162
i said nothing of the sort to you? Monkie Jun 2013 #163
My Bad DallasNE Jun 2013 #168
no worries, and yes it was pretty harsh, but you arent being called a racist either? Monkie Jun 2013 #170
You aren't being called that by me. Maybe you need a scorecard. randome Jun 2013 #176
LOL! backscatter712 Jun 2013 #167
Inadvertently! Well, that covers a lot. It gives a perfect excuse to those who are caught sabrina 1 Jun 2013 #159
Funny, "We didn't mean to" doesn't work for us peons. backscatter712 Jun 2013 #166
They should just term it "unprosecutably" Coyotl Jun 2013 #169
Not to worry, soon they won't have to hide anything anymore. With some on the 'left' now joining the sabrina 1 Jun 2013 #174
Is "Inadvertantly" like "Collateral Damage"? "Unfortunate Civilan Deaths"? "Acts of God"? Tierra_y_Libertad Jun 2013 #172
K&R avaistheone1 Jun 2013 #177
K&R idwiyo Jun 2013 #178
We can hear you now (and a whole lot more!) blkmusclmachine Jun 2013 #179
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