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sulphurdunn

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85. Why the desire

Thu Jun 20, 2013, 04:20 PM

Jun 2013

to make the messenger the message? The former bears no logical relationship to the latter. We can't discuss the TTP rationally anymore than the NSA because they're secret. The issue is government secrecy, not Elizabeth Warren.

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Elizabeth Warren: Poutrage or Hate? [View all] SomethingFishy Jun 2013 OP

She didn't get her pony. progressoid Jun 2013 #1

Clearly, she's taking a principled stand. I don't think she's racist, it's not poutrage or hate. NYC_SKP Jun 2013 #2

I do disagree with Obama.. a lot. SomethingFishy Jun 2013 #6

Oh. Well, there are probably a few people who just take cheap shots and aren't good at discussion. NYC_SKP Jun 2013 #10

It could be in the delivery. Moosepoop Jun 2013 #12

I get this BillyRibs Jun 2013 #108

I don't know where you stand personally. pnwmom Jun 2013 #117

It might help if cartach Jun 2013 #118

It's both, and you forgot envy. To make it worse, all three are based on racism. idwiyo Jun 2013 #3

She's a traitor, anti-American, a Paulite, a racist and she is helping the terrorists. sabrina 1 Jun 2013 #4

THat is what they want you to believe AngryAmish Jun 2013 #8

Oy Vey! Ford_Prefect Jun 2013 #36

And she's part-Native American Indian ReRe Jun 2013 #107

Someone usually throws "ratfucker" around at some point. Dragonfli Jun 2013 #119

Elizabeth Warren never really loved him! QC Jun 2013 #5

^^this^^ Puzzledtraveller Jun 2013 #55

She has boxes in her garage. JackRiddler Jun 2013 #7

And puts cream in her coffee. nt awoke_in_2003 Jun 2013 #56

French roast, probably. MNBrewer Jun 2013 #76

lol ctsnowman Jun 2013 #81

String her up... awoke_in_2003 Jun 2013 #110

Don't compare her to Snowden Progressive dog Jun 2013 #84

The same kind of empty ad hominem rhetoric... JackRiddler Jun 2013 #87

I didn't use ad hominem rhetoric, you did Progressive dog Jun 2013 #89

What grade are you in? JackRiddler Jun 2013 #93

ad hominem huh Jack Progressive dog Jun 2013 #94

Do her neighbors like her? Aerows Jun 2013 #127

Sigh. If DU limited itself to factual complaints and opposing nominations like Warren did... Recursion Jun 2013 #9

Bullshit. SomethingFishy Jun 2013 #17

BINGO! Coccydynia Jun 2013 #37

Double Bingo byeya Jun 2013 #88

Triple bingo! Enthusiast Jun 2013 #120

yep Phlem Jun 2013 #92

+ 1,000 cantbeserious Jun 2013 #101

Bullshit Marrah_G Jun 2013 #26

Yep. Exactly. nt redqueen Jun 2013 #51

LOLOL Skittles Jun 2013 #53

Facts are being presented and dismissed by people who can no longer be objective Hydra Jun 2013 #67

+1,000 !!!! MADem Jun 2013 #78

Brother, you AIN'T LYING. Whew, all kinds of "sensitivities" have been revealed Number23 Jun 2013 #99

I'm learning an awful lot. MADem Jun 2013 #100

Welcome to my world, MADem. Number23 Jun 2013 #105

internet warriors, they seem more concerned with attacking others JI7 Jun 2013 #104

+1 Logical Jun 2013 #114

The meanest and nastiest 'warriors' are, by and large, strangers to me. MADem Jun 2013 #135

Not just today. A whole lot has been revealed about certain people here over the past several sabrina 1 Jun 2013 #133

It is hate based poutrage because she did not get her pony. Bluenorthwest Jun 2013 #11

More of a razecist than Paula Deen bigwillq Jun 2013 #13

It's ProSense Jun 2013 #14

Nope, so far no one is going to stand against her.. SomethingFishy Jun 2013 #22

Don't you feel special?... awoke_in_2003 Jun 2013 #59

I don't think these conversations are productive. TekGryphon Jun 2013 #15

The answer, I suggest, is that inexperienced people think that there are "imaginary" cliques. AnotherMcIntosh Jun 2013 #42

+1 treestar Jun 2013 #45

What we have are disruptors and shills pretending to be Democrats. backscatter712 Jun 2013 #46

Exactly, and doing a very bad job of it as always. sabrina 1 Jun 2013 #50

Exactly! So when will disruptors and shills who constantly bash Obama leave? ConservativeDemocrat Jun 2013 #68

Post removed Post removed Jun 2013 #73

They won't leave. They crave dissension and purging to the point of addiction. great white snark Jun 2013 #75

There are no 'sides'. There is serious issue of possible violations of the rights of the American sabrina 1 Jun 2013 #49

I took yesterday off... awoke_in_2003 Jun 2013 #60

Every debate has sides, and I'm happy to hear both sides, but... TekGryphon Jun 2013 #69

I have posted OPs on the issues. If you are tired of all the bickering about irrelevancies, then sabrina 1 Jun 2013 #70

You've posted very informative OPs here on this and other topics and a close minded coterie byeya Jun 2013 #90

Pretty much the opposite of productive pscot Jun 2013 #62

+1 great white snark Jun 2013 #71

Maybe, but one thing is clear... NorthCarolina Jun 2013 #129

The same people who have double standards when it comes to any criticism of Obama forestpath Jun 2013 #16

You mean "our" President finally appointed one from "our" side to his cabinet? RedCloud Jun 2013 #18

Neither Bobbie Jo Jun 2013 #19

Oh I see, so anyone on DU complaining about Obama SomethingFishy Jun 2013 #23

Illogical treestar Jun 2013 #47

Just where did I say "anyone?" Bobbie Jo Jun 2013 #61

She is part of Team Obama and will be on stage in 2016 congratulating Hillary graham4anything Jun 2013 #20

So you are saying it's possible to support Obama and still SomethingFishy Jun 2013 #25

Sorry, but I don't and never will stand with BushPaulNaderfamilyinc. graham4anything Jun 2013 #30

Why is this acceptable dissent by Warren? reusrename Jun 2013 #64

True Democratic supporters do nuance. EOM, have a nice day. No further needed. graham4anything Jun 2013 #65

Warren is anything but nuanced on this issue. I don't think that's it. reusrename Jun 2013 #82

Thank you graham4anything! Iliyah Jun 2013 #34

Between this and calling the SCOTUS 'a wholly-owned subsidiary of the Chamber of Commerce' IDemo Jun 2013 #21

Its the usual battle between the legislative and executive branches over trade bhikkhu Jun 2013 #24

I don't see hate or evil on either side either.. SomethingFishy Jun 2013 #27

In the OP she objects to the details of the procedure bhikkhu Jun 2013 #32

Huh? enlightenment Jun 2013 #52

Here's a little about that: bhikkhu Jun 2013 #113

Okay - enlightenment Jun 2013 #115

Article II, Section II: "He shall have Power...to make treaties." bhikkhu Jun 2013 #134

yeah but usually it's dems vs republicans Doctor_J Jun 2013 #132

Neither, cuz clinton made obama do it. DUH! allin99 Jun 2013 #28

She disagrees. That's her right. Arkana Jun 2013 #29

This is a disgusting op that is just flamebait karynnj Jun 2013 #31

On DU, ANY criticism of the President's policies are seen as personal attacks BrotherIvan Jun 2013 #38

LOL, now you worry about flamebait! But the post calling me racist was ok?? n-t Logical Jun 2013 #39

YOU KNOW IT, LOGICAL Skittles Jun 2013 #54

I never saw that post, don't know what led to it - and would likely have alerted on it, had I seen i karynnj Jun 2013 #80

I agree with this: sabrina 1 Jun 2013 #74

And I agree with you on this: karynnj Jun 2013 #79

I too would summer-hazz Jun 2013 #96

PLUS ONE! nt Enthusiast Jun 2013 #122

The only hatred I see her displaying is her contempt for Big Money sucking up our democracy Larkspur Jun 2013 #33

Me too! nt Enthusiast Jun 2013 #123

"I'm not saying she's a racist, but a lot of it is racism" whatchamacallit Jun 2013 #35

I strongly support Elizabeth Warren regarding openess and disclosure on this trade deal. avaistheone1 Jun 2013 #40

How ungrateful. The Link Jun 2013 #41

who here is qualified to judge poutrage from outrage. leftyohiolib Jun 2013 #43

She does not disagree with everything treestar Jun 2013 #44

I love Elizabeth Warren The Second Stone Jun 2013 #48

WTF kind of question is this? Politicub Jun 2013 #57

This is clearly sarcasim Bradical79 Jun 2013 #121

Yep. Anyone who questions the supremacy and authority of Benevolent Global Fascism Zorra Jun 2013 #58

She is the logical heir to Kennedy Fearless Jun 2013 #63

Can't we do without the name calling? watoos Jun 2013 #66

Obama's "transparency" is only for his 600 US corporate advisers - they have input. Divernan Jun 2013 #72

Cheap shot. EW agrees with POTUS on most issues. She doesn't carp and gripe at him MADem Jun 2013 #77

emo-proggery n/t Enrique Jun 2013 #83

Why the desire sulphurdunn Jun 2013 #85

Thank you, SomethingFishy. JDPriestly Jun 2013 #86

There's a huge difference between criticizing Obama to try to make the govt better baldguy Jun 2013 #91

How about principled? Jakes Progress Jun 2013 #95

Right now summer-hazz Jun 2013 #97

She was Greenwalded. East Coast Pirate Jun 2013 #98

This message was self-deleted by its author DirkGently Jun 2013 #102

Warren 2016!! ErikJ Jun 2013 #103

you seem upset that there weren't Warren Bashing Threads so you can play victim and martyr JI7 Jun 2013 #106

You seem upset that this post has 107 recs and seems to be making a great point! n-t Logical Jun 2013 #109

False dichotomy, it is both hate and poutrage and probably a side order of racism too n/t Fumesucker Jun 2013 #111

"he American people have the right to know more" MannyGoldstein Jun 2013 #112

Yeah, you can't ever disagree w/Obama, or the GOP WINS !!! blkmusclmachine Jun 2013 #116

K&R Enthusiast Jun 2013 #124

This message was self-deleted by its author another_liberal Jun 2013 #125

That is the dumbest QUESTION I have seen...... BrainDrain Jun 2013 #126

Allowed to disagree? another_liberal Jun 2013 #128

More govt secrecy, trade deals outside the light of day,. Why? Civilization2 Jun 2013 #130

she doesn't understand chess Doctor_J Jun 2013 #131