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HardTimes99

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19. We have no evidence that Snowden is 'dealing this data' to anyone other
Wed Jun 19, 2013, 04:07 PM
Jun 2013

than Greenwald. Unless you are privy to information I have not seen.

While the evidence is still out on whether he is a 'whistleblower' as the statutes define it, I think it is fair at this point to call Snowden a 'leaker' in the same way that Ellsberg was a 'leaker' of the Pentagon Papers.

What I heard Snowden say was that analysts could, i.e., were able to, tap into any call they desired, not that the NSA as a policy was so doing. One thing to come out of Snowden's leaks is the need for way more robust oversight. If what Snowden alleges is true.

I take it you clearly disapprove of Snowden's leaking, as is your right. I have mixed feelings, but right now I would have to say that I approve of Snowden's leaks, based on what I have read and seen thus far. There's simply no such thing as too much oversight when potential invasions of people's privacy are at stake.

OK..... Turbineguy Jun 2013 #1
No. And they're not recording phone calls, anyhow. MineralMan Jun 2013 #2
You are speaking to a point I did not make Fumesucker Jun 2013 #4
Someone posts. I reply. MineralMan Jun 2013 #5
Someone posts. I reply Fumesucker Jun 2013 #14
My post wasn't about what is or isn't, it's about what people *believe* is so Fumesucker Jun 2013 #3
I understood that. Turbineguy Jun 2013 #6
They may or may not be. Snowden did not PROVE that NSA USES personal data CakeGrrl Jun 2013 #7
I think you raise a very important distinction: the government may well be capable of recording HardTimes99 Jun 2013 #9
They are harvesting, storing, and analyzing all of it usGovOwesUs3Trillion Jun 2013 #10
"harvesting, storing and analyzing all of it" - that's quite a mouthful and I suppose HardTimes99 Jun 2013 #20
Exactly. CakeGrrl Jun 2013 #15
We have no evidence that Snowden is 'dealing this data' to anyone other HardTimes99 Jun 2013 #19
I read recently that Target can tell when a customer is pregnant very early in the gestation Fumesucker Jun 2013 #17
Ah yes, analytics. When you know what patterns of patterns to look for, it makes a huge difference. Electric Monk Jun 2013 #22
True treestar Jun 2013 #21
It's not so much whether the government can or is recording every telephone call, it's more HardTimes99 Jun 2013 #8
It Is Adopting a Pose of False Sophistication On the Road Jun 2013 #11
Is true sophistication then to believe that government would never, ever spy and lie? Fumesucker Jun 2013 #16
Yes, That is Exactly the Argument You Hear: On the Road Jun 2013 #23
Indeed RobertEarl Jun 2013 #12
We got use to being spied upon illegally by the BFEE. Rex Jun 2013 #13
/Priority Message/ Alert: Whiskeytide Jun 2013 #18
Re: The people I'm around in real life are convinced the government is recording everything shneepsen Jun 2013 #24
Is there any evidence of this? shneepsen Jul 2013 #25
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