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TheKentuckian

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89. and after Snowden is ripped asunder atom by atom the dragnet surveillance (or worse) pink elephant
Sun Jun 16, 2013, 12:47 PM
Jun 2013

still is there.

This is an indicator of an intimidation technique.

I wondered at the fierce urgency of tearing down a guy sometimes in the most petty ways when the action is not only admitted but crowed about in response. What is the point? The other shoe factor? Maybe but once the media is driving the eyes create a pressurized environment and shit often comes out well beyond any shoe the leaker can drop.

Finally I get it! It is a message to other would be leakers that you will be de-constructed before the world and get the Manny Goldstein treatment as step one in retaliation.

The room stuffing pink elephant will remain and it is hard to make folks stop seeing it once they do.

Still ad hominem. Deep13 Jun 2013 #1
And it hasn't been demonstrated that Snowden *IS* telling the truth. baldguy Jun 2013 #9
who cares? Isn't the important thing the subject itself: cali Jun 2013 #17
+1 freedom fighter jh Jun 2013 #27
And I think Sieiffer recognizes timdog44 Jun 2013 #166
As Sabrina 1 stated in a very lengthy thread a couple days ago: HardTimes99 Jun 2013 #37
Who cares about the facts? baldguy Jun 2013 #39
Strawman. blackspade Jun 2013 #133
And equating Obama with Big Brother or the Stasi is....? baldguy Jun 2013 #183
And I did that where? blackspade Jun 2013 #247
No strawman. The NSA gets approval to listen in on people's emails and phone calls. bluestate10 Jun 2013 #193
So you say. blackspade Jun 2013 #249
Who cares if Snowden's information is true? WTF? KittyWampus Jun 2013 #59
It is important. kentuck Jun 2013 #79
+ infinity. Apophis Jun 2013 #81
I don't give a rip about any of the personalities involved. truebluegreen Jun 2013 #122
How about the COST? Spitfire of ATJ Jun 2013 #152
There is no surveillance without enough proof to get approval to survey. bluestate10 Jun 2013 #186
Really? Who in government said the docs were fake? DirkGently Jun 2013 #41
A phrase was grossly misinterpreted. And if you haven't heard that but HAVE heard they were fake KittyWampus Jun 2013 #61
No. It's been alleged a phrase didn't mean what it said. DirkGently Jun 2013 #63
You mean the phrase printed verbatim on the NSA DirkGently Jun 2013 #74
The focus on the girlfriend is quite telling Chathamization Jun 2013 #72
An exercise routine with a large male audience. Eddie Haskell Jun 2013 #151
In India most of the performers are male Chathamization Jun 2013 #164
You missed the thread about the NSA's admission of listening to phone calls? WinkyDink Jun 2013 #125
Not without a warrant they didn't. baldguy Jun 2013 #253
You mean Bob Schieffer, George W. Bush's golfing buddy? Fuddnik Jun 2013 #38
Wow liberalmike27 Jun 2013 #44
That's kind of the point. Deep13 Jun 2013 #173
Drawing an accurate and relevant distinction is not an ad hominem attack. LanternWaste Jun 2013 #261
No, not an attack... Deep13 Jun 2013 #262
Einstein failed his entrance exams, ducked the draft, and fled his country. Tierra_y_Libertad Jun 2013 #2
Why exactly is the guy being compared to MLK and Rosa Parks? ProSense Jun 2013 #8
Why does it bother you? I can see the connection. Tierra_y_Libertad Jun 2013 #14
The OP still made no mention of Einstein. n/t ProSense Jun 2013 #18
So? Scheiffer apparently thinks it a defect that Snowden fled the country. So, did Einstein. Tierra_y_Libertad Jun 2013 #28
Yes, I get your drift but Einstein fled Nazi Germany. Are you implying we're on our way there too? xtraxritical Jun 2013 #140
what utter bullshit to compare Snowden with MLK and Parks. Whisp Jun 2013 #53
When did Snowden compare himself to Parks or King? Schlieffer did the comparing. Tierra_y_Libertad Jun 2013 #82
did I say Snowden did the comparing? Whisp Jun 2013 #84
Idiots like Schlieffer? How about Ellsberg? Gore? Tierra_y_Libertad Jun 2013 #90
No, Idiots like Chris Hayes.. at least try to keep up. Cha Jun 2013 #132
Chris is too young to have his own program on MSNBC. Major Hogwash Jun 2013 #219
From the outset there have been DUers who compared Snowden to Rosa Parks and MLK Hekate Jun 2013 #210
Off topic, but funny, I saw Chris Hayes starring in an old movie called "Slackers" on YouTube. xtraxritical Jun 2013 #143
Most of them are actors there at MSNBC. Whisp Jun 2013 #148
But, but, but...they're a different color and therefore must be diminished... Liberal_Stalwart71 Jun 2013 #220
Well to be fair, Snowden is an 'IT genius' according to his friend on Lawrence O'Donnell. randome Jun 2013 #15
I think they are trying to make the point that people without education can be brilliant treestar Jun 2013 #20
Yep. Wait Wut Jun 2013 #56
I agree totally treestar Jun 2013 #116
There has been a lot of study on education and conformity, particularly level of education. reusrename Jun 2013 #168
I HAVE seen him compared to Muhammad Ali here at DU VanillaRhapsody Jun 2013 #31
Exactly liberalmike27 Jun 2013 #45
This message was self-deleted by its author Apophis Jun 2013 #85
It's not that difficult to understand Bradical79 Jun 2013 #257
And Thank God Einstein did, otherwise history might have ended HardTimes99 Jun 2013 #49
Einstein was never a 'hero'. Wait Wut Jun 2013 #50
agree with your comments hopemountain Jun 2013 #145
Many people have called Einstein a hero for his accomplishments. So you don't know that. So what? AnotherMcIntosh Jun 2013 #182
Okay, you can call Einstein a hero. Wait Wut Jun 2013 #259
Actually, I can do whatever I want. And I do. AnotherMcIntosh Jun 2013 #263
Alrighty then. Wait Wut Jun 2013 #264
How disgusting of you. Einstein fled nazism. I can't believe anyone would compare bluestate10 Jun 2013 #194
So, Snowden gave up everything to call attention to government spying and you call it Tierra_y_Libertad Jun 2013 #202
The Nazis could only DREAM of the level of government spying this is about. Leopolds Ghost Jun 2013 #216
OH yeah. Zoeisright Jun 2013 #251
Didn't keep MLK from being bugged by the government Fumesucker Jun 2013 #3
Well liberalmike27 Jun 2013 #46
I don't think King or Parks ever broke a law that could lead to life in prison CanonRay Jun 2013 #4
True that's a big difference treestar Jun 2013 #19
Snowden could get treated and tried depending on governments mood Babel_17 Jun 2013 #80
They won't charge him with Treason as he's not guilty of that treestar Jun 2013 #114
They could treat him as an enemy combatant Babel_17 Jun 2013 #130
How would he qualify as enemy combatant? treestar Jun 2013 #174
My bad, the administration did retire the term Babel_17 Jun 2013 #191
The enemy he's giving Aid and Comfort to SwankyXomb Jun 2013 #150
Huh? treestar Jun 2013 #175
The American people SwankyXomb Jun 2013 #187
That is silly treestar Jun 2013 #195
I thoroughly and profoundly disagree with Schieffer's smear tactics and despise the HardTimes99 Jun 2013 #55
MLK and Rosa Parks did a lot of things that were likely to get them killed... Hippo_Tron Jun 2013 #135
and of course in the case of MLK he did get killed JI7 Jun 2013 #190
Eventually yes he was, but the circumstances of his actual assassination... Hippo_Tron Jun 2013 #200
A black person that broke ANY law that upheld the notion of white supremacy was subject Number23 Jun 2013 #208
This ^^^^^ treestar Jun 2013 #227
I think Chris Hayes did that last week warrior1 Jun 2013 #5
MLK would have approved of what Snowden did, if MLK's anti-war HardTimes99 Jun 2013 #60
Now you speak for MLK? warrior1 Jun 2013 #98
On the contrary, the OP reports that Schieffer has HardTimes99 Jun 2013 #159
so you don't think MLK would warrior1 Jun 2013 #163
Unclear. MLK, Jr. eventually broke with LBJ over Vietnam, even though HardTimes99 Jun 2013 #165
MLK supported the poor and other people who needed his help. Are_grits_groceries Jun 2013 #172
MLK would have stood up for this country treestar Jun 2013 #228
MLK worked on the premise that only love could conquer hate (to quote a line HardTimes99 Jun 2013 #237
Apples and oranges. hobbit709 Jun 2013 #6
It seems a lot of people are trying to make this story about the leaker and not the spying. nt Incitatus Jun 2013 #7
Yep. Becoming more and more obvious to all. n/t Junkdrawer Jun 2013 #24
The story isn't about spying. Your ilk is desperately trying to make it so. bluestate10 Jun 2013 #199
"your ilk" = the non-naive Skittles Jun 2013 #245
Pay no attention to... 99Forever Jun 2013 #10
Exactly. Had he stayed here, it would be a different thing. treestar Jun 2013 #11
It sure would have been a different thing. zeemike Jun 2013 #120
This would be worse than what they did to Manning. reusrename Jun 2013 #171
Like the Julian accusations, this is baloney treestar Jun 2013 #177
What baloney treestar Jun 2013 #176
He says he's not done yet. reusrename Jun 2013 #178
Maybe, but then he should face the music treestar Jun 2013 #196
You don't have to be in the military to be sent to a federal prison. zeemike Jun 2013 #181
But your due process rights are much more extensive treestar Jun 2013 #198
Believe me they can step all over those rights zeemike Jun 2013 #206
The government needs ProSense's permission to do anything. Leopolds Ghost Jun 2013 #211
Post removed Post removed Jun 2013 #12
I'm still ProSense Jun 2013 #16
sure, you're laughing. who do you think you're fooling? cali Jun 2013 #23
No, ProSense Jun 2013 #30
I agree. ForgoTheConsequence Jun 2013 #241
I also agree. AnotherMcIntosh Jun 2013 #265
Trying every trick possible to depress Democratic turnout Fumesucker Jun 2013 #21
. ProSense Jun 2013 #33
You are the one who literally is saying that facts don't matter. Unless they support your bias. KittyWampus Jun 2013 #65
For my money Josephine Baker and Paul Robeson were both heroes. Downwinder Jun 2013 #13
There is NO comparison. CakeGrrl Jun 2013 #22
The Character Assassination Continues - Focus On The Oligarchs - Not The Whistle Blowers cantbeserious Jun 2013 #25
Where is the proof that he has any evidence at all of his claims VanillaRhapsody Jun 2013 #34
The Proof Is Found With Greenwald - The Man To Which He Gave The Documents cantbeserious Jun 2013 #36
and who has also not produced said documents... VanillaRhapsody Jun 2013 #62
Your Disgust - My Cheers That Greenwald Has Them - We Will Have To Agree To Disagree cantbeserious Jun 2013 #64
Then why no outcry that Greenwald present his "facts" VanillaRhapsody Jun 2013 #67
Greenwald Is A Journalist For Which I Have Higher Respect Than The US Government Or Obama cantbeserious Jun 2013 #70
He has to do something to get my respect....where are the documents Greenwald? VanillaRhapsody Jun 2013 #73
My My - You Are Quite Angry - Is That Because You Now Realize That You Have Been Lied To cantbeserious Jun 2013 #83
No I don't "now realize" VanillaRhapsody Jun 2013 #91
If You Want Confirmation That The Story Is Probably True Then Watch Nadler - Official Story Mismatch cantbeserious Jun 2013 #94
So anyone who makes this claim is a hero...just for making a claim VanillaRhapsody Jun 2013 #95
Ad Hominen Attack - Against The DU TOS cantbeserious Jun 2013 #97
Oh good grief.... VanillaRhapsody Jun 2013 #99
Ad Hominen Attack - Against The DU TOS VanillaRhapsody Jun 2013 #102
Your Character Or Person Was Never Attacked - So Does Not Apply cantbeserious Jun 2013 #106
that's your opinion... VanillaRhapsody Jun 2013 #108
Once Again An Assumption That I Am Not A Patriot - Patriotism Is Not A One Size Fits All Proposition cantbeserious Jun 2013 #111
No I didn't imply that did I VanillaRhapsody Jun 2013 #119
Greenwald is a journalist mimi85 Jun 2013 #223
Undefined Term - Firebagger? - What Are You Talking About? cantbeserious Jun 2013 #232
That's a broad brush treestar Jun 2013 #231
Yes - Politicians Are Suspect By Definition - Corporations Expect Favors For Their Contributions cantbeserious Jun 2013 #233
journalists have to get published, maybe they cater to the big publishers treestar Jun 2013 #236
Expected And Predictable Reply - Truly Terrible Commentary On Modern Society cantbeserious Jun 2013 #250
Yup. Big Media has again joined the right wing chorus. Doctor_J Jun 2013 #26
I think we all know why MNBrewer Jun 2013 #29
He also rolls through yellow lights! DirkGently Jun 2013 #43
Breaking the law is a sign of impending anarchy!!! dairydog91 Jun 2013 #47
He is rumored to be a Whig! DirkGently Jun 2013 #87
Well, since Schieffer is a Know-Nothing, it all makes sense. (Sorry, just HardTimes99 Jun 2013 #104
Wow. Nicely done! DirkGently Jun 2013 #110
Thank you. That's what has been running through my brain... Wait Wut Jun 2013 #32
As far as I can remember about the MLK and Rosa Parks days they snappyturtle Jun 2013 #127
MLK, a black man protesting in the 1960s treestar Jun 2013 #234
Hey Bob! The NSA listened to your calls and read your emails. But HardTimes99 Jun 2013 #35
Your claim doesn't fit facts. The NSA doesn't listen to random conversations. bluestate10 Jun 2013 #203
My 'sensationalism'? I was engaging in a standard rhetorical device known as hyperbole, never HardTimes99 Jun 2013 #230
WTF? Iliyah Jun 2013 #40
should read "old establishment reporters career frustrated by HS drop out w/ a $2.00 walmart thumb galileoreloaded Jun 2013 #42
Hah! I had failed to see the possibility of journalistic envy in all this. Schieffer HardTimes99 Jun 2013 #68
LOL right on bahrbearian Jun 2013 #180
Ed Schultz made the same point concerning Snowden today. bluestate10 Jun 2013 #204
Schieffer Invokes Strawman Because That's Easier Than Journalism. Orsino Jun 2013 #48
Nonsense usGovOwesUs3Trillion Jun 2013 #51
Agreed, the hero thing is over the top. ucrdem Jun 2013 #52
As a reporter........... raindaddy Jun 2013 #54
Wish there were a way to rec replies - nt HardTimes99 Jun 2013 #118
I quit reading after Scheifer called himself a reporter Vinnie From Indy Jun 2013 #57
Thanks. Completely agree. DisgustipatedinCA Jun 2013 #93
Very good point! Vietnameravet Jun 2013 #58
Not a right, a responsibility. Scuba Jun 2013 #71
I guess we've already forgotten about Manning's captivity Babel_17 Jun 2013 #66
Scheiffer must never have heard about what happened to MLK. Scuba Jun 2013 #69
Had it been a conspiracy,quite possible today's security could have prevented it graham4anything Jun 2013 #105
Rosa and Martin were heroes in a different way. kentuck Jun 2013 #75
What did those two leak? adric mutelovic Jun 2013 #76
Schieffer Destroys Snowden: ‘I Don’t Remember Martin Luther King Jr. Or Rosa Parks Hiding In China’ The CCC Jun 2013 #77
I don't remember them being tortured in a military prison, either. JackRiddler Jun 2013 #78
Yeah because the government was hiding disparate treatment of black people. Lol. dkf Jun 2013 #86
You're pathetic. Apophis Jun 2013 #88
and after Snowden is ripped asunder atom by atom the dragnet surveillance (or worse) pink elephant TheKentuckian Jun 2013 #89
Pink elephant? Leopolds Ghost Jun 2013 #215
I remember both of the being put in jail. rug Jun 2013 #92
so, Schieffer's a reporter? bigtree Jun 2013 #96
I do remember them jailing Rosa Parks and killing MLK The Second Stone Jun 2013 #100
President Johnson worked WITH Dr. King. Together in unison. graham4anything Jun 2013 #109
Agreed, but keep in mind King would often goad LBJ Leopolds Ghost Jun 2013 #218
Agreed. Maybe Obama will work with Snowden to stop the spying on america program Doctor_J Jun 2013 #269
Dr. King was proud of his name, proud of his cause, and fought against masks, he didn't wear one. nt graham4anything Jun 2013 #101
Oh, my head hurts now. That is one really dumb illogical argument. Zorra Jun 2013 #103
So! THIS week, anyway, Schieffer is off the shit list, LOL. MotherPetrie Jun 2013 #107
Lol. Union Scribe Jun 2013 #112
The level of discussion is going downhill fast. Quantess Jun 2013 #113
Have to call bullshit on Schieffer and the post. Very Rovian. 20score Jun 2013 #115
Argumentum ad hominum, pure and simple. caseymoz Jun 2013 #117
Sure, Snowden should have stayed in this country and... TxGrandpa Jun 2013 #121
Manning was incommunicado now? sweetloukillbot Jun 2013 #184
You probably need to look up the meaning of "incommunicado". Just sayin'...... Tarheel_Dem Jun 2013 #238
Both posts noted.... TxGrandpa Jun 2013 #268
MLK and Rosa Parks didn't face life in prison. East Coast Pirate Jun 2013 #123
WTH CARES what Bob "My Brother Was an Ambassador For Dubya" Schieffer says???? WinkyDink Jun 2013 #124
SCHIEFFER? ROFL. forestpath Jun 2013 #126
I agree, I don't see him and the other leakers of classified information as heroes. Beacool Jun 2013 #128
Snowden probably wouldn't want to be compared to those two, anyway, Jamaal510 Jun 2013 #129
Why is this relevant to the fact that the NSA has been spying without warrants? blackspade Jun 2013 #131
Who gives a shit? Downtown Hound Jun 2013 #134
Message auto-removed Name removed Jun 2013 #136
Edward Snowden is not Rosa Parks or Dr. King . . . TomClash Jun 2013 #137
What the hell is ProSense Jun 2013 #141
You are attacking the messenger TomClash Jun 2013 #156
Well, ProSense Jun 2013 #158
I don't know and don't care TomClash Jun 2013 #192
Not true. Some on DU made that comparison last week to defend Snowden. nt bluestate10 Jun 2013 #221
Reading is fundamental TomClash Jun 2013 #243
Nope. The idiot, Chris Hayes, was the first. Snowden is no MLK. nt Tarheel_Dem Jun 2013 #239
Maybe he is all too aware of the risks of whistle blowing. tblue37 Jun 2013 #138
at least he's not some creepy compulsive-prevaricator keyboard commando MisterP Jun 2013 #139
Bob the TV personality says... pangaia Jun 2013 #142
"Why exactly is the guy being compared to MLK and Rosa Parks?" Spitfire of ATJ Jun 2013 #144
I don't remember Martin Luther King Jr. or Rosa Parks being at risk of being executed for treason. DRoseDARs Jun 2013 #146
No they weren't at risk of being executed for treason. They could only have been executed at bluestate10 Jun 2013 #222
And you won't be executed for treason either. You could be executed by a junkie looking for a fix! DRoseDARs Jun 2013 #240
Avoid false alternatives Eddie Haskell Jun 2013 #147
"Letter from a Hong Kong hotel suite" Cha Jun 2013 #149
Yeah they're not facing the death penalty either Fearless Jun 2013 #153
and we all know what happened to Dr. King. nt NorthCarolina Jun 2013 #154
This message was self-deleted by its author mother earth Jun 2013 #155
Snowden like MLK and Rosa Parks? Cali_Democrat Jun 2013 #157
That was Schieffer's interpretation burnodo Jun 2013 #162
Several people on DU made that claim last week. Schieffer was responding to such bluestate10 Jun 2013 #224
I disagree with that burnodo Jun 2013 #226
It is a bad analogy. Daniel Ellsberg would have been an appropriate one /nt still_one Jun 2013 #160
If Snowden had stayed in the US he would be smeared by exactly the same people smearing him now. dgauss Jun 2013 #161
Coward Scheifer would be calling MLK 'Uppity', if the president didnt like MLK markiv Jun 2013 #167
This comment makes no sense. n/t ProSense Jun 2013 #169
yes, it does nt markiv Jun 2013 #170
No it doesn't. nt bluestate10 Jun 2013 #225
yes, it does nt markiv Jun 2013 #244
The anti-Dems have hopped on the short bus...... DainBramaged Jun 2013 #256
Lol G_j Jun 2013 #179
And some right here on DU have compared the loser Snowden to bluestate10 Jun 2013 #185
Vapid on an epic scale... And the word "narcissistic" again. Bonobo Jun 2013 #188
DU rec...nt SidDithers Jun 2013 #189
Why does this hack still have a job? Why hasn't he been retired? nt DearHeart Jun 2013 #197
He appeals to the elderly nobodies who watch his show expecting the 1980's to appear. MichiganVote Jun 2013 #205
if read posts on here dlwickham Jun 2013 #201
Martin Luther King and Rosa Parks were left wing. MLK was a christian communist. Your move ProSense Leopolds Ghost Jun 2013 #207
What a bizarre post. ProSense Jun 2013 #209
I assume you mean your OP? I agree. n-t Logical Jun 2013 #213
To quote Monty Python... Leopolds Ghost Jun 2013 #214
Are you insane? nt treestar Jun 2013 #229
Nonsense..... Logical Jun 2013 #212
Re: MLK -- wouldn't the Berrigan Brothers be a better analogy? Plowshares movement. Leopolds Ghost Jun 2013 #217
And how did that turn out for MLK? (nt) The Straight Story Jun 2013 #235
I think one of the differences between today's whistle blowers and those before is that today we jwirr Jun 2013 #242
I appreciate the point you are tomg Jun 2013 #254
Thank you for this answer. I have respected the COs in our past and would hope that we still have jwirr Jun 2013 #267
"They" shot MLK down in cold blood. bvar22 Jun 2013 #246
Say, how did MLK end up again? Marr Jun 2013 #248
As opposed to a narcissistic old man. The story is the not tsuki Jun 2013 #252
That's a pretty weak arguement Bradical79 Jun 2013 #255
Schieffer whoring for TPTB as usual... truebrit71 Jun 2013 #258
K & R Scurrilous Jun 2013 #260
Rosa Parks planned for months to make a media spectacle Report1212 Jun 2013 #266
This is a bullshit argument. craigmatic Jun 2013 #270
ask John Lewis Enrique Aug 2013 #271
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