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struggle4progress

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66. If the NSA is engaged in warrantless wiretapping again, lots of us will be quite angry. But
Sun Jun 16, 2013, 01:36 AM
Jun 2013

the accusations mainly seem to be coming from the Libertarians

And I rather suspect they're following a strategy Greenwald laid out some time ago, which is to demonize the current Administration relentlessly, in hopes of harvesting Libertarian voters from the ranks of current Progressive Democrats

So some skepticism is warranted

Plausible deniabiliyt is one of the handiest pscot Jun 2013 #1
LOL! Took you guys long enough. HooptieWagon Jun 2013 #2
Can't speak for the OP... OilemFirchen Jun 2013 #6
Why the anger? CakeGrrl Jun 2013 #11
I'm laughing too hard at you all to be angry. HooptieWagon Jun 2013 #14
What a load of Bobbie Jo Jun 2013 #126
Why doesn't this thread reek of burning hair? OilemFirchen Jun 2013 #3
Thanks for the link! n/t Tx4obama Jun 2013 #17
The devil is always in the details. ucrdem Jun 2013 #4
I'm not going to believe this until there's more confirmation. BlueCheese Jun 2013 #5
Thanks! ucrdem Jun 2013 #7
Now you are spamming the board RobertEarl Jun 2013 #8
Calm down. ucrdem Jun 2013 #9
I'm calm as can be RobertEarl Jun 2013 #16
Why do you keep accusing people of having an agenda? Tx4obama Jun 2013 #20
Answer the easy question: Can NSA tap your phone? RobertEarl Jun 2013 #21
Yes, I have an agenda that includes more than NSA-gate. ucrdem Jun 2013 #22
You don't know? RobertEarl Jun 2013 #27
I just told you what my agenda is. Why do you keep asking? ucrdem Jun 2013 #28
Your agenda is confessed ignorance? RobertEarl Jun 2013 #30
Can I be frank with you? ucrdem Jun 2013 #32
So, you admit they can tap your phone? RobertEarl Jun 2013 #61
I don't know if the NSA can or does, ucrdem Jun 2013 #62
Wow RobertEarl Jun 2013 #65
Oh please. ucrdem Jun 2013 #68
Why should we "deal with it" ohheckyeah Jun 2013 #129
fool nebenaube Jun 2013 #86
Are you sure you're on the right discussion board? nt ucrdem Jun 2013 #91
Don't you want to hear both sides? creeksneakers2 Jun 2013 #106
Fortunately we have a whistle blower who makes it plain that they do usGovOwesUs3Trillion Jun 2013 #10
What illegality? ucrdem Jun 2013 #12
Harvesting and Storing of ALL Digital and Phone Records Clearly Violates the 4th Admendment usGovOwesUs3Trillion Jun 2013 #15
The SC has apparently decided that outside-the-envelope information isn't protected ucrdem Jun 2013 #18
Apples and Oranges usGovOwesUs3Trillion Jun 2013 #43
agreed.. nebenaube Jun 2013 #89
The Supreme Court ruled in 1979 that phone records are not protected by the 4th amendment Tx4obama Jun 2013 #23
Thanks! ucrdem Jun 2013 #25
That has nothing to do with Harvesting and Storing ALL Digital and Phone Communications usGovOwesUs3Trillion Jun 2013 #36
There is nothing in that ruling that restricts it to one person. (nt) jeff47 Jun 2013 #60
Apples and Oranges usGovOwesUs3Trillion Jun 2013 #71
No, it's actually exactly on-point. jeff47 Jun 2013 #114
Apples and Oranges: This is about the massive harvesting and storing of ALL Americans Digital Comm usGovOwesUs3Trillion Jun 2013 #115
Saying the same thing over and over again doesn't suddenly make it true. jeff47 Jun 2013 #116
Well, that is what was revealed by the whistle blower usGovOwesUs3Trillion Jun 2013 #118
You should probably bother reading the documents. jeff47 Jun 2013 #119
I did, they were 4 slides, and this is not about just the documents usGovOwesUs3Trillion Jun 2013 #120
And if a whistleblower said we were ruled by alien lizards, would that make it true? jeff47 Jun 2013 #130
We the people got more than that, TOP SECRET Documentation, too usGovOwesUs3Trillion Jun 2013 #131
Not this again PSPS Jun 2013 #37
??? CakeGrrl Jun 2013 #13
Ahh, there it is... Bush diid it, it must be OK RobertEarl Jun 2013 #19
Wrong - you missed my point. CakeGrrl Jun 2013 #124
In our country we have something called the "Separation of Powers" for just this purpose usGovOwesUs3Trillion Jun 2013 #24
See Comment #23. n/t Tx4obama Jun 2013 #26
Way to totally ignore the post RobertEarl Jun 2013 #34
The issue is NOT wiretapping. NSA gets Court Orders to wiretap phones. Tx4obama Jun 2013 #39
You are way out in right field RobertEarl Jun 2013 #47
Carefull... HooptieWagon Jun 2013 #51
As I have so recently learned. Dragonfli Jun 2013 #83
NSA has never said they do that. The nut at CNET wrote an article that said that. Tx4obama Jun 2013 #52
You wrote: RobertEarl Jun 2013 #55
And also see Comment #50. n/t Tx4obama Jun 2013 #54
The CNET screwed up their article. Muller and Nadler were talking about 'meta-data' Tx4obama Jun 2013 #73
Is Al Gore a friend of yours? RobertEarl Jun 2013 #75
See Comment #36. n/t usGovOwesUs3Trillion Jun 2013 #38
No. Congress voted in monitoring overseas calls. HooptieWagon Jun 2013 #29
I think Obama may be clueless RobertEarl Jun 2013 #31
I don't know what to think... HooptieWagon Jun 2013 #33
I doubt he knows the details RobertEarl Jun 2013 #41
If he doesn't know what's going on... HooptieWagon Jun 2013 #46
Nadler is very smart, and decent MannyGoldstein Jun 2013 #35
Author of the CNET article also reported that Al Gore invented the internet. Gonna believe that nut? Tx4obama Jun 2013 #40
Post removed Post removed Jun 2013 #44
He's an attorney.... HooptieWagon Jun 2013 #48
LOL. I guess I'll have to add another reason to my "most often used" list PSPS Jun 2013 #42
1a. It's Dick Cheney's fault jsr Jun 2013 #109
He misspoke in 2012 as well nadinbrzezinski Jun 2013 #45
Okay I just heard the Nadler-Meuller exchange and this is what it sounded like: ucrdem Jun 2013 #49
Why? RobertEarl Jun 2013 #56
Why what? ucrdem Jun 2013 #57
^^^^^^^^^^^^If you only read one post in this thread READ THIS^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ pkdu Jun 2013 #59
Thank you! Here's the link again, ucrdem Jun 2013 #64
Words matter. What they said is not what Nadler thought they meant. DevonRex Jun 2013 #63
Nsa can tap your phone RobertEarl Jun 2013 #67
Bush left office on January 20 2009. ucrdem Jun 2013 #69
No shit RobertEarl Jun 2013 #70
And cnet very carefully didn't report Mueller's response. And misquoted Feinstein. DevonRex Jun 2013 #50
There's a lot of sauce in that article and a very meager meatball. ucrdem Jun 2013 #53
Devon, what do you think RobertEarl Jun 2013 #58
Well, Robert, DevonRex Jun 2013 #74
Thanks RobertEarl Jun 2013 #78
That huge complex in Utah is for the storage of it all. DevonRex Jun 2013 #111
thanks for that post! Whisp Jun 2013 #113
This message was self-deleted by its author DevonRex Jun 2013 #121
If the NSA is engaged in warrantless wiretapping again, lots of us will be quite angry. But struggle4progress Jun 2013 #66
I do agree that skepticism is always warranted. But some here are only skeptical of whistle-blowers rhett o rick Jun 2013 #76
Here's a link to a Little Green Footballs article, it a pretty good one... Tx4obama Jun 2013 #72
Good link. Nadler's "specific information" isn't exactly specific, is it? ucrdem Jun 2013 #77
Yeah, there are two really good parts in there... Tx4obama Jun 2013 #79
The metadata point is interesting. ucrdem Jun 2013 #80
Using LGF for a source? HooptieWagon Jun 2013 #81
I don't know anything about LGF, but their VIDEO and transcript and commentary in the article... Tx4obama Jun 2013 #85
A closed door intelligence briefing doesn't have a public transcript. HooptieWagon Jun 2013 #90
Did you read the excerpt in Comment #79? He referred to what he heard in the briefing at the hearing Tx4obama Jun 2013 #93
You're saying this C-SPAN video is fake? ucrdem Jun 2013 #94
It reposts and transcribes a C-SPAN video of a House judiciary committee hearing. ucrdem Jun 2013 #87
The Judiciary Committee meeting was when Nadler questioned Mueller. HooptieWagon Jun 2013 #92
That's just the point I made in #49, and it's why Nadler struck out. nt ucrdem Jun 2013 #95
Are you deliberately misrepresenting tje facts, or merely incredibly dense? HooptieWagon Jun 2013 #96
Neither, and you're not telling us anything we didn't know. ucrdem Jun 2013 #97
You really think Nadler mixed up the FBI axnd NSA? HooptieWagon Jun 2013 #98
Read the transcript if you can't see the video. We've given you the links. nt ucrdem Jun 2013 #99
When did Democrats turn against Whistleblowers? caseymoz Jun 2013 #82
+!000 Dragonfli Jun 2013 #88
Well said! Quantess Jun 2013 #100
It is truly bizarre BrotherIvan Jun 2013 #107
This message was self-deleted by its author nebenaube Jun 2013 #84
This message was self-deleted by its author Cali_Democrat Jun 2013 #101
I hear you. randome Jun 2013 #108
I've noticed that many of these people are the same ones who were only around last time there was okaawhatever Jun 2013 #117
Feel free to log off. Please. morningfog Jun 2013 #128
Now the Obama supporters like Huffington Post? burnodo Jun 2013 #102
Yes...those evil Obama supporters link to Huffington Post Cali_Democrat Jun 2013 #103
Apparently you've forgotten that HuffPo is regularly pilloried burnodo Jun 2013 #105
Yep, that's it then. This is the desperate story that is going to make all the revelations magically Egalitarian Thug Jun 2013 #104
don't you have a rape case to laugh at or something? sod off dionysus Jun 2013 #122
Oh, have I made it into the He-Man-Women-Haters-Clubhouse? Egalitarian Thug Jun 2013 #123
A lawyer/politician misunderstanding information technology? Impossible! FarCenter Jun 2013 #110
UPDATE below Tx4obama Jun 2013 #112
Thanks! Scurrilous Jun 2013 #125
LOL..... ohheckyeah Jun 2013 #127
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