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HooptieWagon

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68. 1700 per YEAR...

Wed Jun 12, 2013, 11:14 PM

Jun 2013

Thats a lot. Especially since they're US citizens being targeted by warrants from a court thats supposed to oversee FOREIGN INTELLIGENCE. How many are being targeted by FBI? And how many abroad have simply disappeared?...We know US Citizens abroad have been executed by drones, Obama already claimed the perogative to do so.

No, Obama didn't start these programs that are the first steps towards a totaltarian state...but he sure has enthusiastically embraced and expanded them. And supposed Democrats are cheerleading....disgraceful.

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Snowden saw what I saw: surveillance criminally subverting the constitution Thomas Drake [View all] xchrom Jun 2013 OP

This is ProSense Jun 2013 #1

Fisa court is a joke bobduca Jun 2013 #3

You say the FISA Court is a joke, presumably because they haven't disallowed any warrants. randome Jun 2013 #5

You would have to be very naive to beleive that, given that . bobduca Jun 2013 #7

In 2011, there were only about 1700 requests for warrants made to the FISA courts. JoePhilly Jun 2013 #26

I heard on the news that 11 had been denied. Don't know if appeals or lower. nt okaawhatever Jun 2013 #40

I think this table has the year by year data. JoePhilly Jun 2013 #44

Thank you for that. Why doesn't the press report things like this? They want the hysteria to okaawhatever Jun 2013 #52

YUP ... and have you noticed they stopped saying "wiretap" and shifted to "spying" JoePhilly Jun 2013 #55

Exactly, I want details. nt okaawhatever Jun 2013 #58

You don't need very many warrants when they read LondonReign2 Jun 2013 #45

So why are the numbers so low every year since 1978? JoePhilly Jun 2013 #56

Er... How can it be very careful if they get a warrant to collect info on EVERYONE ? limpyhobbler Jun 2013 #13

There is no 'monitoring' without a valid warrant. randome Jun 2013 #19

Recording private communications IS monitoring. limpyhobbler Jun 2013 #25

'Right' and 'wrong' are not settled by someone stealing info then running to Hong Kong. randome Jun 2013 #41

People can decide for themselves if mass surveillance is wrong. That's why it's vital that the Ame limpyhobbler Jun 2013 #64

And Firearms sales records last what, 48 hours? nt. druidity33 Jun 2013 #70

But it's not just this Administration... ljm2002 Jun 2013 #22

I'm with you. A simple look at the approvals vs disapprovals tells us all we need SlimJimmy Jun 2013 #27

So the average is about 1000 requests a year. JoePhilly Jun 2013 #46

We're not talking about a "police state", we're discussing the rubber stamping SlimJimmy Jun 2013 #51

Why do you think investigators go and requests warrants without sufficient JoePhilly Jun 2013 #59

Investigators have their warrants rejected by judges on a regular basis. SlimJimmy Jun 2013 #60

The justification for the FISA court was originally made in 1978. JoePhilly Jun 2013 #62

Actually, you seem to be the only one claiming that in this thread. But with that said SlimJimmy Jun 2013 #65

I'm not saying it's a police state. You seem to be the only one making that contention. SlimJimmy Jun 2013 #67

Aren't you surprised that in 2011 there were only about 1700 requests? JoePhilly Jun 2013 #30

Who are the 1700? HooptieWagon Jun 2013 #32

First, the FISA court has existed since 1978. JoePhilly Jun 2013 #36

1700 per YEAR... HooptieWagon Jun 2013 #68

It's a fairly low number, yes... ljm2002 Jun 2013 #38

So since we're discussing the numbers and trends and such. JoePhilly Jun 2013 #63

Which Administration? mattclearing Jun 2013 #24

I would say the Obama Administration is more careful and more trustworthy than the Bush Admin. randome Jun 2013 #39

We know that for a fact given that Bush bypassed the FISA court and Obama has not. JoePhilly Jun 2013 #47

A few points if you want to make that comparison ... JoePhilly Jun 2013 #42

I know all of this. mattclearing Jun 2013 #69

Wait, ProSense Jun 2013 #6

I'm not claiming Obama started the national surveillance state.. bobduca Jun 2013 #8

Prosense ... curious what you think of this ... JoePhilly Jun 2013 #49

Castigating doesn't change anything. Skidmore Jun 2013 #11

Yeah might as well just accept that we can't change it bobduca Jun 2013 #14

Aw jeez. Skidmore Jun 2013 #17

The courts nineteen50 Jun 2013 #12

Why? EC Jun 2013 #35

FISC is a joke. The judges are appointed by SCOTUS (Roberts) - chances they're Dem appointees? Melinda Jun 2013 #73

"Bush was actually illegally eavesdropping on Americans." OnyxCollie Jun 2013 #15

Did you read the warrant? It was attached to Greenwald's first article. JDPriestly Jun 2013 #28

This message was self-deleted by its author Melinda Jun 2013 #31

Right on. timdog44 Jun 2013 #37

few if any people are claiming that Obama is breaking the law NoMoreWarNow Jun 2013 #71

Gee. No wonder Cass Sunstein's followers want to shut down discussion. Octafish Jun 2013 #2

Kick for opponents of abitrary, authoritarian secret government. Octafish Jun 2013 #10

carl bernstein - the cia and the media (400 reporters were also operatives) Monkie Jun 2013 #20

We're on the same wavelength: Three Things Every American Should Know about Corporate McPravda... Octafish Jun 2013 #34

in the kingdom of the blind it is easy to recognise those with a eye. Monkie Jun 2013 #54

Thanks for sharing this. think4yourself Jun 2013 #16

Marking this to come back.... Thomas Drake ReRe Jun 2013 #21

Amazing! He says this so well. JDPriestly Jun 2013 #50

K&R for more visibility! Fantastic Anarchist Jun 2013 #4

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I hope all those calling Snowden a traitor read this and see what happens think Jun 2013 #29

Superb essay. Well worth reading in its entirety. Laelth Jun 2013 #33

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Struggling here: DRAKE wins me over, SNOWDEN (and GREENWALD) strike me false UTUSN Jun 2013 #53

Ray McGovern, former CIA analyst, wants to protect government whistleblowers... Octafish Jun 2013 #57

Oct, I am humbled and honored in your brotherhood. We are on the same broad, open road even UTUSN Jun 2013 #61

Don't be distracted by the drama usGovOwesUs3Trillion Jun 2013 #66

what's eating Glenn Greenwald is that, for one, he is an American citizen NoMoreWarNow Jun 2013 #72