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In reply to the discussion: Biden 100% against meta data collection. [View all]Fuddnik
(8,846 posts)4. Has he resigned in protest yet?
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Of course he also voted to Extend the Patriot Act in 2006 so words and actions don't really mesh.
Bluenorthwest
Jun 2013
#7
I wonder if Joe will now explain to us that he'd misjudged Bush and Cheney who should have been
Bluenorthwest
Jun 2013
#5
I'm witholding judgement on him until I see a June 2013 quote from him on this topic n/t
arcane1
Jun 2013
#56
He was speaking of the Bush program which was different than the current program
karynnj
Jun 2013
#41
Here is what Joe actullay said bothered him, which is not what Pro says, but what Joe says.
Bluenorthwest
Jun 2013
#11
A warrant without probable cause is also illegal. So Biden should be consistent regarding the law,
sabrina 1
Jun 2013
#21
Hey. They just described the place to be searched as the whole fucking country.
Hassin Bin Sober
Jun 2013
#60
Biden gaffe, launched 7 years ago, circles globe, scores direct hit of foot in mouth!!!
kenny blankenship
Jun 2013
#8
It is not a gaffe, it is honest speaking from a man now unable to be honest.
Bluenorthwest
Jun 2013
#14
In a country where we no longer abide by the rule of law, that would be a gaffe, to actually
sabrina 1
Jun 2013
#25
Warrants issued without probable cause are NOT legal, secret court or public court.
sabrina 1
Jun 2013
#29
Only a Constitutional Amendment can change the law and so far, there has been no Constitutional
sabrina 1
Jun 2013
#43
We aren't talking about 'people overseas' any more. See that's what happens, you give criminals an
sabrina 1
Jun 2013
#58
Okay, I see the problem and don't doubt it. What that means is we have not been vigilant
sabrina 1
Jun 2013
#72
This is out of context. He says FISA and court orders are required. Video here:
BenzoDia
Jun 2013
#31
To keep the executive branch in check. He's clear in the FULL video which you failed to post :)
BenzoDia
Jun 2013
#42
Are you familiar with the 4th Amendment? Apparently Biden was at that time. Let's hope he is still.
sabrina 1
Jun 2013
#45
Yes I am. Smith V Maryland states that the use of pen registers does not violate the 4th.
BenzoDia
Jun 2013
#50
So it has nothing to do with this. I read the Patriot Act, way back when the war criminals
sabrina 1
Jun 2013
#63
I thought you said you read the Patriot Act? Why don't you know all of this already?
BenzoDia
Jun 2013
#102
Thank you, that explains the reluctance to explain it. I had a feeling it was not relevant to the
sabrina 1
Jun 2013
#71
Yes, they are. The definition was updated to account for changes in modern comm.
BenzoDia
Jun 2013
#92
That definition of a pen register was expanded to included internet communication.
BenzoDia
Jun 2013
#90
I'm not defending the use of pen registers. I'm arguing for accuracy in discussions and honesty in
BenzoDia
Jun 2013
#94
Sure, the dissent is important. But it was based on unregulated and warrantless use of pen
BenzoDia
Jun 2013
#105
Joe was about to become my front runner for the nomination til you guys convinced me he is okay
dkf
Jun 2013
#52
To be fair, there's a jump cut (not sure if that's the right term) in there.
BlueCheese
Jun 2013
#62
As seen on The Daily Show on Monday night, so Hannity is copying them, actually.
Electric Monk
Jun 2013
#85
Interesting. I posted something very similar on Monday night but got nowhere near the attention.
Electric Monk
Jun 2013
#83
He also used to be a vocal proponent of publicly financed elections....
theplanfor2016
Jun 2013
#110