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89. So when intelligence is "cherry picked" and facts are just made up

Reply to ConservativeDemocrat (Reply #64)

Tue Jun 11, 2013, 06:53 PM

Jun 2013

that makes the war legal because there was a vote on it? Discrimination against gays is "legal". Slavery was "legal". Keeping women from voting was "legal". Forcing a black man to drink from a different water fountain than a white man was "legal". Lynching was "legal". If everyone followed "the law" the US wouldn't even be a country.

The question here should be ARE YOU FUCKING SERIOUS? The war on terror has been one debacle after another, one lie after another, hundreds of thousands are dead because of false intelligence and an invasion of a country that was barely a threat to their neighbors let alone to us and you have the fucking gall to sit there and claim you are part of the "Reality Based Community"? It may have been "a very bad idea" to you, but to the DEAD it was a matter of life and death.

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This is what hurts my brain a little bit. [View all] WilliamPitt Jun 2013 OP

I agree Will Marrah_G Jun 2013 #1

My biggest beef with the * admin's wire-tap program was that it was warrantless. TheDebbieDee Jun 2013 #109

The difference between Bush's surveillance and Pres Obama's is that rhett o rick Jun 2013 #145

Don't you see the bad mojo in that approach? Myrina Jun 2013 #149

We live in a democracy, I have high expectations of my government not violating my rights. And when sabrina 1 Jun 2013 #166

Seriously? SkyDaddy7 Jun 2013 #162

You and I disagree on this Marrah_G Jun 2013 #163

What y'all ^ said. DCKit Jun 2013 #165

Dude! Solly Mack Jun 2013 #2

Yes, indeed... Very disconcerting to see... n/t hlthe2b Jun 2013 #3

My brain hurts too... kentuck Jun 2013 #4

...as well as a towering testament WilliamPitt Jun 2013 #7

True dat... kentuck Jun 2013 #27

Should not be that surprising to us zeemike Jun 2013 #37

Boom. GoneFishin Jun 2013 #112

As I have posted before, more people care about sports WHEN CRABS ROAR Jun 2013 #54

I COULD KICK ROARING CRAB ASS Skittles Jun 2013 #140

I hate that almost more than I hate Rahm Emanuel tavalon Jun 2013 #100

Kick & recommended. William769 Jun 2013 #5

Seems legit leftstreet Jun 2013 #6

OMG WilliamPitt Jun 2013 #8

Truth in advertising... lame54 Jun 2013 #12

That' hairlarious mindwalker_i Jun 2013 #18

Post removed Post removed Jun 2013 #9

Swinging dead cats is against DU rules lame54 Jun 2013 #10

In all fairness mindwalker_i Jun 2013 #20

But swinging Schrödinger cats is obligatory. longship Jun 2013 #25

A man carrying a cat Maynar Jun 2013 #113

Indubitably wise, he was. nt longship Jun 2013 #120

In fairness there are also plenty denouncing the program el_bryanto Jun 2013 #11

Invective aside, Maedhros Jun 2013 #43

I agree, that if you oppose the PRISM program, you are certainly right el_bryanto Jun 2013 #47

It's not that it's legit so much as its not news that this is going on. Just Saying Jun 2013 #13

indeed. n/t NRaleighLiberal Jun 2013 #14

I don't think people are arguing in FAVOR of eternal vigilance for evil terrorists. randome Jun 2013 #15

This. Get the FISA law and Patriot Act repealed, amended, or Skidmore Jun 2013 #28

Amen. Moostache Jun 2013 #144

Really, tavalon Jun 2013 #102

Dude - Hell Hath No Fury Jun 2013 #16

I admit to thinking that was a Republican Rightie trait until BO became POTUS. GoneFishin Jun 2013 #115

in all fairness Skittles Jun 2013 #139

Yes. I was pretty happy when he was first elected. GoneFishin Jun 2013 #143

I Second That RobinA Jun 2013 #156

Here: I'll strain that brain a bit more: Junkdrawer Jun 2013 #17

+ 1,000 suffragette Jun 2013 #38

Done Junkdrawer Jun 2013 #65

knr'd frylock Jun 2013 #95

Interesting Info...thanks! KoKo Jun 2013 #39

Thanks so much. Excellent post. JDPriestly Jun 2013 #129

It's seems like our Constitution has become no more useful than as a Cleita Jun 2013 #19

The thing about this war on terror that gets me is A Simple Game Jun 2013 #21

I totally agree. WHEN CRABS ROAR Jun 2013 #57

Thom Hartmann put it like this: SomethingFishy Jun 2013 #87

"Authoritarianism and violence are not the cure for terrorism" but they are profitable industries .. SomeGuyInEagan Jun 2013 #161

because things like the Color coded Alerts were obviously fake and more for political JI7 Jun 2013 #22

Some of us took the long view that to prevent terrorism, tavalon Jun 2013 #103

When was the Boston Marathon?? Major Hogwash Jun 2013 #23

Go for it, Major (to go further off-topic) mike dub Jun 2013 #35

I didn't know that. Thanks for the information. Major Hogwash Jun 2013 #82

There is considerable ground between "the war on terror is the greatest challenge geek tragedy Jun 2013 #24

exactly OKNancy Jun 2013 #31

Its all OK because YOU "trust Obama"!!???? bvar22 Jun 2013 #74

Do you sometimes feel as though chervilant Jun 2013 #96

I think that people need to be able to trust someone. Pres Obama has a nice smile and a nice family. rhett o rick Jun 2013 #107

Shit.... Enthusiast Jun 2013 #142

Do you trust the next President and the President after that? Lather, rinse, repeat tavalon Jun 2013 #104

Right. And the middle ground doesn't include the largest spy program in history. DisgustipatedinCA Jun 2013 #116

Thank you, Will! intheflow Jun 2013 #26

Your one statement is the tell all. timdog44 Jun 2013 #50

Oy. Where do I start with this? intheflow Jun 2013 #132

I can start by taking the last first. timdog44 Jun 2013 #135

I'm sorry. intheflow Jun 2013 #178

And peace to you. timdog44 Jun 2013 #186

rec SammyWinstonJack Jun 2013 #29

Damn straight. We need to focus on ISSUES. Matariki Jun 2013 #30

Bernie Sanders is troubled by this and everyone knows what a RW tool he is! nt Nuclear Unicorn Jun 2013 #32

Along with my Senators, Ron Wyden and Jeff Merkley. Maedhros Jun 2013 #46

And they've been joined by Grayson. JoeyT Jun 2013 #94

"A long habit of not thinking a thing wrong gives it a superficial appearance of being right." Tierra_y_Libertad Jun 2013 #33

Nice quote tavalon Jun 2013 #105

Never ending bullshit Uzair Jun 2013 #34

Shortcut to Thinking 101 WilliamPitt Jun 2013 #36

If you are going to start the thread Gore1FL Jun 2013 #44

remember when Barney Frank alluded to a table leg? Skittles Jun 2013 #99

Barney Frank's response was warranted. Gore1FL Jun 2013 #158

"equating Obama to Bush" Skittles Jun 2013 #159

I don't think that is what he did. Gore1FL Jun 2013 #168

it's hair splitting Skittles Jun 2013 #169

I agree with that Gore1FL Jun 2013 #175

You think William Rivers Pitt is out to discredit the President? Romulus Quirinus Jun 2013 #183

Did I say that? Gore1FL Jun 2013 #185

"The media creates fake scandal" What's fake about any of this? SammyWinstonJack Jun 2013 #41

Are you serious? ConservativeDemocrat Jun 2013 #64

The Reality Based Community Canard HangOnKids Jun 2013 #68

So when intelligence is "cherry picked" and facts are just made up SomethingFishy Jun 2013 #89

When a "vote on it" is passed by lawful authority... that makes it legal. ConservativeDemocrat Jun 2013 #137

right on. n t Romulus Quirinus Jun 2013 #184

Actually, he's accusing you of treating politics like a team sport tavalon Jun 2013 #106

"What, exactly, has Obama done that has even remotely crossed the line?" bvar22 Jun 2013 #124

Candidate Obama... NealK Jun 2013 #176

THAT guy would have made a great President! bvar22 Jun 2013 #177

What has Obama done. JDPriestly Jun 2013 #130

Fake scandal? Apophis Jun 2013 #133

I guess force feeding and solitary confinement don't count. nt Romulus Quirinus Jun 2013 #182

Could all of this stuff give rise to a 3rd party? Malik Agar Jun 2013 #40

You mean a liberal version of the Tea Party? Spitfire of ATJ Jun 2013 #48

National Third Parties have been BillyRibs Jun 2013 #51

The People need to rise. The 'parties' will follow n/t leftstreet Jun 2013 #58

"The parties will follow". Sort of like they started to with Occupy. WHEN CRABS ROAR Jun 2013 #75

Occupy was never that kind of a movement leftstreet Jun 2013 #78

The Immigration Bill being debated in the Senate is also cutting across party lines. Laelth Jun 2013 #62

Both parties are run by corporations WHEN CRABS ROAR Jun 2013 #79

It has for me. liberal_at_heart Jun 2013 #181

What hurts my brain is people equating those who recognize this is not new with saying it's ok. uppityperson Jun 2013 #42

The same voices? Are you sure? Spitfire of ATJ Jun 2013 #45

Yeah --- that one hurt my brain, too. George Gently Jun 2013 #122

I suspect Al-Qaeda and other Islamic terror groups don't drink champagne, but if jtuck004 Jun 2013 #49

Shush you! What did I tell you about pointing out hypocrisy??? Javaman Jun 2013 #52

It is strange days but Drale Jun 2013 #53

I was most likely one of those voices, the reason I haven't spoken up until now,, benld74 Jun 2013 #55

K & R !!! WillyT Jun 2013 #56

Are you sure they were the same people? The democratic party is a huge tent apples and oranges Jun 2013 #59

K&R! Phlem Jun 2013 #60

Agree... KoKo Jun 2013 #61

you mean what happened to the fight clubs at the end, everyone chasing a phantom? MisterP Jun 2013 #85

Chasing a Phantom.......maybe... KoKo Jun 2013 #86

"At least he's OUR guy who's doing it" ... nicely, with kid gloves & smooth speeches 99th_Monkey Jun 2013 #63

It's pass interference when they do it. It's good defense when your team does it. tkmorris Jun 2013 #66

Well said, Will. SheilaT Jun 2013 #67

Well said as well. WHEN CRABS ROAR Jun 2013 #80

It`s The Head Nodders Club. democrank Jun 2013 #69

well the same thing happened with the Bush tax cuts hfojvt Jun 2013 #70

I am still yelling Generic Other Jun 2013 #71

exactly , it's hypocritical and SICKENING and everybody knows their names. boilerbabe Jun 2013 #72

This message was self-deleted by its author KoKo Jun 2013 #76

There are a lot of smart people here. pitchforx Jun 2013 #73

You raise interesting questions. (eom) KoKo Jun 2013 #77

Good points treestar Jun 2013 #119

The government probably spies on people who oppose their JDPriestly Jun 2013 #134

Do you really know that treestar Jun 2013 #150

The Patriot Act... awoke_in_2003 Jun 2013 #81

abso-effin-lutely! pitchforx Jun 2013 #83

We've always been at war with East Asia. TransitJohn Jun 2013 #84

And to all those saying "You don't need to worry... Saviolo Jun 2013 #88

You mean "people" like Senator Al Franken? Number23 Jun 2013 #90

"I'd be even more concerned about being on the same side as the wildlings in GD on this or any issue WilliamPitt Jun 2013 #97

It's fine that you missed my point. But I have no idea why you'd be nasty about it as well Number23 Jun 2013 #101

Awfully sensitive for 13k posts. WilliamPitt Jun 2013 #117

Tone is always a consideration for good writers. Minimizes the chance of misunderstandings Number23 Jun 2013 #126

Quoting you is nasty and wrong? HangOnKids Jun 2013 #153

The face palm smiley was what I was talking to WILL PITT about, thanks Number23 Jun 2013 #170

If you don't want anyone to reply to your posts on a PUBLIC Board HangOnKids Jun 2013 #171

Again to WILL PITT. Thanks Number23 Jun 2013 #172

Your last post was to me, so I replied HangOnKids Jun 2013 #173

Politics over principles n2doc Jun 2013 #91

"many people agreeing vehemently" Canuckistanian Jun 2013 #92

mind boggling, At least when the Republicans are in power Democrats believe in the Constitution Douglas Carpenter Jun 2013 #93

Having not read any of the previous comments... ybbor Jun 2013 #98

I'm right there with you MissDeeds Jun 2013 #108

I suggest we all go back to using carrier pigeons to communicate. Amonester Jun 2013 #110

I guess I should get rid of my shredder now LittleGirl Jun 2013 #111

To be fair, we are in part to blame........ wandy Jun 2013 #114

It's a matter of where the balance is treestar Jun 2013 #118

It certainly appears that far too many people have assimilated the Third Way/GOP meme that Zorra Jun 2013 #121

Great Post William Pitt! n-t Logical Jun 2013 #123

Mine hurts too felix_numinous Jun 2013 #125

Hurts the brain and also the heart MuseRider Jun 2013 #127

The war on terror is complete and utter hogwash. It's the war on the US Constitution. AAO Jun 2013 #128

The only problem I have with this situation is "why now?" haele Jun 2013 #131

I personally haven't seen that flavor of hypocrisy... paulkienitz Jun 2013 #136

Well, the good news is Summer Hathaway Jun 2013 #138

Obtuse much, Mr. Pitt? michigandem58 Jun 2013 #141

I honestly don't know what to say....except where was the outrage 10 years ago cbdo2007 Jun 2013 #146

I long for the days of DU before it became DU2. It makes my head hurt also Will. Hotler Jun 2013 #147

I see no problem with a variety of opinions. Kablooie Jun 2013 #148

Your brain would hurt less if you could cure yourself of oversimplification and binary thinking. emulatorloo Jun 2013 #151

PNAC Lives whatchamacallit Jun 2013 #152

Bullshit. Most of us aren't "defending the NSA". We're pointing out that laws have been passed > KittyWampus Jun 2013 #154

Sorry to hear this is happening on DU. So chalk me up as one dem gtar100 Jun 2013 #155

B-But Bush lied or something!!!1 nt Demo_Chris Jun 2013 #157

obama made dubya's program legal datasuspect Jun 2013 #160

Well, he did promise "change". And, transparency....oh, wait. Tierra_y_Libertad Jun 2013 #164

A couple of points stevenleser Jun 2013 #167

I would be pissed off about this if Dennis Kucinich or Alan Grayson did it. GoneFishin Jun 2013 #174

The pew poll inside the latest Greenwald piece nadinbrzezinski Jun 2013 #179

Still waiting for the reasoning from the 64% B2G Jun 2013 #180