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lumberjack_jeff

(33,224 posts)
91. Wyden is right. Yet voters elected assholes who disagreed with him.
Sat Jun 8, 2013, 03:21 PM
Jun 2013

Scared voters don't really want to know all the unimportant details.

The simple fact that it is legal is proof that Obama is doing exactly what the cowards want him to do.

You tell people you are going to do something and turn around and do the Autumn Jun 2013 #1
What's more, Obama could end this program with the stroke of a pen. Laelth Jun 2013 #14
Yes he could, and said he would. Autumn Jun 2013 #31
Ignore his words. Watch his actions. blkmusclmachine Jun 2013 #50
That was 2007 Life Long Dem Jun 2013 #69
So he had the liberal view through the key primaries & then switched to the authoritarian view? limpyhobbler Jun 2013 #158
He also said he wouldn't enact HC without a public option Doctor_J Jun 2013 #116
Well if you're gonna be picky. tblue Jun 2013 #183
When Clinton supporters said he did not have enough experience, who juajen Jun 2013 #218
Exactly!! LovingA2andMI Jun 2013 #155
Are you saying that the Obama church of worshippers don't think? OMG! L0oniX Jun 2013 #41
So who're ya' gonna vote for next time, Diogenes? xtraxritical Jun 2013 #143
Lemme guess... Amonester Jun 2013 #192
Yeah, things can change with National Security.. any "thinking person" Cha Jun 2013 #76
It's the same as it ever was. Autumn Jun 2013 #79
And a "whatever" to you too, Autumn. Cha Jun 2013 #90
So you are telling us that "things can change" and not that things did change? rhett o rick Jun 2013 #127
What you boldly proclaim you're GOING TO DO, Plucketeer Jun 2013 #164
That was certainly Bush's excuse too. 'Everything changed after 9/11' and he got the Patriot Act sabrina 1 Jun 2013 #184
That is exactly right. What a scam! JEB Jun 2013 #216
This should be an OP BrotherIvan Jun 2013 #222
They voted against Bush and got BUSH LITE instead warrant46 Jun 2013 #150
I understand being pissed, cheapdate Jun 2013 #175
But much of what's he's doing is making us less, not more, safe from terrorist attacks. freedom fighter jh Jun 2013 #195
The problem isn't the guy in the chair. lumberjack_jeff Jun 2013 #2
Exactly.... titanicdave Jun 2013 #24
Outstanding job for whom? RC Jun 2013 #40
The law is the law because Democrats like Obama shamefully voted for it. You clearly do not recall sabrina 1 Jun 2013 #55
The FBI and police departments have been spying on Americans for years and years. xtraxritical Jun 2013 #146
'I support the Patriot Act'. That says it all to me. Did you support it when it Bush was president? sabrina 1 Jun 2013 #190
wow, talk about a "good german." tomp Jun 2013 #199
I'm thinking it wouldn't have been so bad to have remained British... DissidentVoice Jun 2013 #187
Lol, you've got a point, even Britain has, or had before Blair, a fairly responsive government. sabrina 1 Jun 2013 #191
Without America breaking away dbackjon Jun 2013 #209
At least they had the Magna Charta nt DissidentVoice Jun 2013 #233
What things? sulphurdunn Jun 2013 #73
pissed kardonb Jun 2013 #104
Absolute bullshit and I'm going to call you out on that laundry_queen Jun 2013 #107
WTF are you talking about? quakerboy Jun 2013 #131
No one was outraged???? Doctor_J Jun 2013 #179
no one was outraged when bushboy started all this??!! progressoid Jun 2013 #194
"No one was Outraged when buschboy started all this" MadrasT Jun 2013 #207
"President Obama is doing an outstanding job all the way around." Phlem Jun 2013 #140
Your troubles are from Congress not from the President. xtraxritical Jun 2013 #147
You mean Phlem Jun 2013 #149
So that is a fucking excuse? dbackjon Jun 2013 #208
I'm going to guess you didn't read the article Autumn Jun 2013 #38
Stole them. blkmusclmachine Jun 2013 #51
Here's whom to blame. lumberjack_jeff Jun 2013 #225
Horse hockey. It ain't the rapist, it's the dress she wore. Blame the victim, no. grahamhgreen Jun 2013 #66
Victims my ass. Americans elected all those assholes who voted for the patriot act. lumberjack_jeff Jun 2013 #85
No, you are very wrong. The elected representatives did not represent the will of the people. grahamhgreen Jun 2013 #232
No one asked for this, we were not even told. Senator Wyden from 2011: Bluenorthwest Jun 2013 #84
Wyden is right. Yet voters elected assholes who disagreed with him. lumberjack_jeff Jun 2013 #91
Voters also elected Wyden, Merkely, Udall, Feingold and many others who have attempted to Bluenorthwest Jun 2013 #110
secrecy is a HUGE problem. tomp Jun 2013 #201
Obama should have the conviction to go in front of the American people cheapdate Jun 2013 #168
That is real pretzel logic....I am being nice. dotymed Jun 2013 #204
It's an uncomfortable reality that we elected (and then largely re-elected) the people who did this. lumberjack_jeff Jun 2013 #224
We did get fooled again... zeemike Jun 2013 #3
American Politics = Catch-22 Octafish Jun 2013 #4
K&R. nt. premium Jun 2013 #5
Obama - Protecting The Status Quo Daily - Hope He Enjoys Our Telephone Conversations cantbeserious Jun 2013 #10
Listen Good President Obama As I Know Your NSA Is Reading This --- As I Type!! LovingA2andMI Jun 2013 #156
Yes. One party the corporate party. wilsonbooks Jun 2013 #153
Americans are not outraged arely staircase Jun 2013 #6
You forgot the sarcasm tag. n/t Laelth Jun 2013 #15
"Americans" implies most or a majority are outraged, or that more than usual are outraged arely staircase Jun 2013 #16
I see what you mean now. Laelth Jun 2013 #17
he has an 83 percent approval rating among democrats, so it isn't emerging yet. arely staircase Jun 2013 #20
I'm not worried about Obama's chances of being re-elected. Laelth Jun 2013 #22
+a zillion. graham4anything Jun 2013 #26
It's old and not news like Benghazi, IRS, AP, Reston and what ever I'm forgetting. xtraxritical Jun 2013 #72
What's Reston? nt freedom fighter jh Jun 2013 #197
Binary Choice polls... bvar22 Jun 2013 #98
It's not the Dems he has to worry about Doctor_J Jun 2013 #121
Here's a REALITY for ya! LovingA2andMI Jun 2013 #159
A VIABLE (NON-CORPORATE) THIRD PARTY IS OUR ONLY CHANCE. dotymed Jun 2013 #205
No it doesn't imply "most or a majority" Doctor_J Jun 2013 #117
obama is extremely popular with democrats - 83 percent approval arely staircase Jun 2013 #130
which has nothing to do with the op Doctor_J Jun 2013 #182
I think it's even worse for my generation Ava Jun 2013 #7
Buyers Remorse Is An Ugly Revalation - Turns Out That Obama Was An Ad Campaign For The Status Quo cantbeserious Jun 2013 #8
Pictures of matchstick men graham4anything Jun 2013 #88
could you please quantify "young people are outraged"? arely staircase Jun 2013 #19
I never said "all young people" or "most young people" even Ava Jun 2013 #29
all the young people i know are dems and are happy with the president arely staircase Jun 2013 #45
Rah Rah Sis boom bah. blkmusclmachine Jun 2013 #52
such bon mot arely staircase Jun 2013 #56
Fooled ya! blkmusclmachine Jun 2013 #60
guffaw!!! choie Jun 2013 #82
Check Out WHERE old arely staircase found that photo he is so proud of. bvar22 Jun 2013 #132
Really? dotymed Jun 2013 #206
nope, college age and otherwise twenty somethings, and they love our president arely staircase Jun 2013 #211
You don't need to justify yourself to the newbe Ava. As a well known "young person" here Dragonfli Jun 2013 #123
Young people are outraged? That's where his highest approvals come from, combined with JaneyVee Jun 2013 #25
We're all Republicans now. blkmusclmachine Jun 2013 #53
Great! We will sweep just like we did in 2010 then! Doctor_J Jun 2013 #124
I was just about to point that out. bvar22 Jun 2013 #134
don't forget how they despise"the left" Doctor_J Jun 2013 #181
Obama gave Hope to fredamae Jun 2013 #70
with all due respect DonCoquixote Jun 2013 #166
No, the Clintons were never old school Dems DissidentVoice Jun 2013 #188
I know fredamae Jun 2013 #215
I was a Lot more fredamae Jun 2013 #214
I wish you could have been born earlier.... LovingA2andMI Jun 2013 #160
Wait! dennis4868 Jun 2013 #169
WAIT!!! LovingA2andMI Jun 2013 #173
I just made a point dennis4868 Jun 2013 #174
um.....those of us who were paying attention knew better Skittles Jun 2013 #9
Right You Are - Kudos cantbeserious Jun 2013 #11
it's funny how this news comes out Ava Jun 2013 #12
hasn't let me down once. I don't care nor follow Ron and Rand Paul and what they think. graham4anything Jun 2013 #30
Nor do I Ava Jun 2013 #33
They are part of team Bush. Looking to fracture. And NO Obama core supporter is outraged. graham4anything Jun 2013 #36
You don't know shit about Ava, she is no "team Bush" player, the opposite in fact Dragonfli Jun 2013 #126
Don't bother to argue with this poster, ask him instead about "first they came for the rich" :) idwiyo Jun 2013 #135
Check out it's OP newly on the greatest page, worth a few laughs. Dragonfli Jun 2013 #136
WOW... Thank you for the tip. idwiyo Jun 2013 #138
Hear! Hear!! n/t ReRe Jun 2013 #151
Many Democrats on here seem ctsnowman Jun 2013 #42
I have a more positive John2 Jun 2013 #148
Very well stated! Add the media to Congress as another culprit. asjr Jun 2013 #202
He didn't change parties if that's what you mean. GoneFishin Jun 2013 #43
Personal Threshold freedom fighter jh Jun 2013 #196
The smugness of the Bushies on TV pisses me off so damned much. Arggghhhhhgh. dkf Jun 2013 #13
"Like a freaking tax attorney who knows the laws so they can get around them." blkmusclmachine Jun 2013 #54
The world sucked under bush, in several ways bhikkhu Jun 2013 #18
^THAT^ I voted for him because I trusted him to do the right things and I think he is. xtraxritical Jun 2013 #77
Yeah, you go ahead and trust and have your faith. Me, I'll pay attention to what he DOES. Demit Jun 2013 #94
I don't vote for someone to micromanage them and I'm comfortable with the decisions he makes. xtraxritical Jun 2013 #141
I'm with you dennis4868 Jun 2013 #170
How many congressmen & judges have something being held over their heads? B2G Jun 2013 #21
Sometimes when an otherwise good democrat does something inexcusable GoneFishin Jun 2013 #44
Then they're compromised Le Taz Hot Jun 2013 #105
J. Hoover would know, but he's gone now. xtraxritical Jun 2013 #142
Americans are outraged? JoePhilly Jun 2013 #23
This American is outraged: ucrdem Jun 2013 #28
This message was self-deleted by its author mother earth Jun 2013 #27
And the sock puppets come on liberal/progressive websites to blow more smoke about how blkmusclmachine Jun 2013 #59
nailed it - "our political process, it's a real scam" ConcernedCanuk Jun 2013 #172
At least in Canada... DissidentVoice Jun 2013 #189
Well...yeah. Chan790 Jun 2013 #32
K&R MotherPetrie Jun 2013 #34
well they should be, but most Americans are not outraged about this. In fact the public has been so Douglas Carpenter Jun 2013 #35
We're all Germans now. blkmusclmachine Jun 2013 #63
you keep claiming that the people demanded that which was done without their consent. Bluenorthwest Jun 2013 #87
please try to grasp the over all point people try to make when they say something Douglas Carpenter Jun 2013 #102
I do. You claim the people demanded something they were not told about and which this person's Bluenorthwest Jun 2013 #108
you are complaining about rude personal swipes? my what irony Douglas Carpenter Jun 2013 #122
Yeah Bluenorthwest Jun 2013 #163
as I said a few well - very few - you will see Douglas Carpenter Jun 2013 #167
my blood boils everytime I hear the words from campaign Obama vs the real Obama xiamiam Jun 2013 #37
Someone LIED. blkmusclmachine Jun 2013 #62
Exactly how I feel. Can't stand to watch him. Demit Jun 2013 #96
He's done with me..... LovingA2andMI Jun 2013 #162
Headline gussmith Jun 2013 #39
Yes. It says "the thing that is not"... gulliver Jun 2013 #46
Tell the complainers to get out the vote in 2014 Politicalboi Jun 2013 #47
F U N N Y blkmusclmachine Jun 2013 #49
Oh...we should just work for our spymasters DisgustipatedinCA Jun 2013 #58
And there it is, the argument used to try to shut down any discussion Hissyspit Jun 2013 #65
No, that wasn't said to shut down discussion. It was good advice if you Cha Jun 2013 #74
So is letting the President know when he's screwing up. Hissyspit Jun 2013 #83
And, I have a different opinion than your Mom. Cha Jun 2013 #95
Exactly.. dotymed Jun 2013 #210
The President could erase many of the past policies with the stroke of a pen, yet SlimJimmy Jun 2013 #93
Fooled ya! blkmusclmachine Jun 2013 #48
Never naive enough to believe he'd be ABLE to end programs institutionalized before blm Jun 2013 #57
well i was never naive to think he would WANT to end them. nt boilerbabe Jun 2013 #67
Instead of change, we got more of the same ~ Business, as usual. nt Zorra Jun 2013 #61
IOKIYAD blkmusclmachine Jun 2013 #64
I was wondering what the hell that stood for Autumn Jun 2013 #99
TeaLeft irrational purityism. 1 issue doesn't mean he is Bush. And no one is being listened in on. RBInMaine Jun 2013 #68
TeaLeft? burnodo Jun 2013 #71
Seriously. "TeaLeft", "Professional leftists", the "Where's My Pony?" brigade.... YoungDemCA Jun 2013 #80
Having principles Jamaal510 Jun 2013 #101
Speaking of almost seven years ago LovingA2andMI Jun 2013 #176
One issue???? Doctor_J Jun 2013 #113
Yep, 100%! Lunacee_2013 Jun 2013 #75
We were losing 750,000 jobs a month in October 2008!!!! Major Hogwash Jun 2013 #78
So we trade our civil liberties so we can have more McJobs? davidn3600 Jun 2013 #81
You forgot about Sister Sarah already?? Major Hogwash Jun 2013 #92
Ah yes.. and here's Glenn Greenwald on the bush.. he liked him better. Cha Jun 2013 #86
So his support of Bush on Iraq is damning, but Hagel's is reason to make him Sec of Defense, is that Bluenorthwest Jun 2013 #97
Ouch! Cha hits a 3 pointer from the top of the key to tie the game in overtime. Zorra Jun 2013 #100
Except for Chuck Hagel, 'cause of some reason. And Comey..... Bluenorthwest Jun 2013 #106
I simply didn't know that Greenwald supported the war. Zorra Jun 2013 #129
So Greenwald agreed with many mainstream Democratic Party contenders... bvar22 Jun 2013 #109
But loves Hagel, who voted for the war and is a Republican Bluenorthwest Jun 2013 #115
Oh, they are getting quite desperate now, right CHA? LovingA2andMI Jun 2013 #165
kr HiPointDem Jun 2013 #89
I first voted for Jenoch Jun 2013 #103
Ding! I have been saying this since the 2010 debacle. Doctor_J Jun 2013 #111
I rec'd because I'm mad abt this, but I'd still vote for Obama again. nt LaydeeBug Jun 2013 #112
People like you and I aren't the problem, LadyBug Doctor_J Jun 2013 #119
Ava explains well the effect you describe Dragonfli Jun 2013 #133
Skittles said mine in post #9...this "news" is not "new", and I certainly witnessed 'teh ponies' bc LaydeeBug Jun 2013 #152
Well, ProSense Jun 2013 #114
^^THIS^^ longship Jun 2013 #125
Agreed JustAnotherGen Jun 2013 #219
I voted FOR Obama, not AGAINST anyone else. randome Jun 2013 #118
What outrage? aikoaiko Jun 2013 #120
My mother yesterday: Hissyspit Jun 2013 #139
I understand people's disappointment. aikoaiko Jun 2013 #171
funny, most of the apologists call it poutrage every time we Doctor_J Jun 2013 #178
Disenchanted E_A_ Jun 2013 #128
Power corrupts... Malik Agar Jun 2013 #137
He was bitten. rug Jun 2013 #144
LOL E_A_ Jun 2013 #154
People expected better from Obama but they got more of the same. Skeeter Barnes Jun 2013 #145
How about them puppets? roundandroundwego Jun 2013 #157
I think that folks here are upset because they hoped that Obama was a liberal Rhiannon12866 Jun 2013 #177
Maybe they should have realized the government still remains in place? treestar Jun 2013 #161
Keep your substandard expectations for the United States to yourself DisgustipatedinCA Jun 2013 #180
Why do I feel like scraping the Obama/Biden bumper sticker off my car? DissidentVoice Jun 2013 #185
If you want change, vote in the midterm elections nakocal Jun 2013 #186
A checklist of lies and propaganda memes Doctor_J Jun 2013 #212
2) "give him a more liberal congress to work with" bvar22 Jun 2013 #223
Yep, and besides that, we are not going to get 65 (D) senators and 260 Reps in the near Doctor_J Jun 2013 #228
I just read your post carefully Doctor_J Jun 2013 #229
If the Arkansas Primary of 2010 were an anomaly, bvar22 Jun 2013 #231
Sorry but this is false nakocal Jun 2013 #227
Many Voted for Pres Obama not once but twice mainly for change but Pres Obama YeahSureRight Jun 2013 #193
misleading statistic Enrique Jun 2013 #198
Anyone who thinks there is little difference between Obama and Bush are.. DCBob Jun 2013 #200
Obama is clearly much smarter than Bush. GoneFishin Jun 2013 #203
Blue links of change!! flvegan Jun 2013 #213
Americans aren't outraged. Zoeisright Jun 2013 #217
lessons from the 60`s under johnson-nixon... madrchsod Jun 2013 #220
People may be momentarily outraged but then...... Swede Atlanta Jun 2013 #221
It would be naive to Believe the first African American... orpupilofnature57 Jun 2013 #226
McCain was and still is a goddamn warmongering lunatic. roamer65 Jun 2013 #230
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