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napoleon_in_rags

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67. 4 letters: A-C-L-U.

Reply to nadinbrzezinski (Original post)

Mon May 6, 2013, 02:44 AM

May 2013

ACLU supporters are called "civil libertarians", because they argue against government intrusions that subvert civil liberties. Groups constantly knocked by Fox and the right fo being too liberal, such as the American CIVIL LIBERTIES union, are the heart of the libertarian left. That's the real picture of the libertarian left.

Libertarian just refers to SOME issue you want the issue out of. Take one issue, which has had laws on the books in many conservative states for a long time - laws against heterosexual sodomy/gay sex. Is it the law of state or federal government to put cameras in people's rooms and monitor how they are having sex? Or is that an overreach of government? If you agree with the latter, you are a little bit of a libertarian on that issue.

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Left wing libertarians. [View all] nadinbrzezinski May 2013 OP

Wouldn't a left wing Libertarian LostOne4Ever May 2013 #1

Nope not at all nadinbrzezinski May 2013 #2

Then what is a Left Wing Libertarian? fredamae May 2013 #3

These folks do believe in things nadinbrzezinski May 2013 #4

They are Confused Anarchist Ichingcarpenter May 2013 #13

No, they are not anarchists nadinbrzezinski May 2013 #14

Thank you, you just fredamae May 2013 #15

You welcome nadinbrzezinski May 2013 #17

For me? It's so very fredamae May 2013 #23

The Chinese curse comes to mind nadinbrzezinski May 2013 #24

We are indeed n/t fredamae May 2013 #76

Libertarian Socialism-Chomsky earthside May 2013 #51

A liberal with a severe case of narcissism. Scootaloo May 2013 #78

Government is a tool, it can be horrible or beneficial for the people. TheKentuckian May 2013 #7

not necessarily PD Turk May 2013 #57

Left-libertarians always get a bad rap because of the Libertarian Party. LAGC May 2013 #5

All politics in the U.S. gets skewed LWolf May 2013 #31

What is the contradiction? Without economic power the individual has little power or TheKentuckian May 2013 #6

Then we go for the extreme of Ayn Rand nadinbrzezinski May 2013 #8

There are collectivist left-libertarians, too, yaknow. joshcryer May 2013 #9

I know nadinbrzezinski May 2013 #11

do you just type every thought that comes into your mind? sad-cafe May 2013 #10

Gets boring sitting in a coffee house hoping for a long day of traffic collisions and medical aids Brother Buzz May 2013 #26

The way I read that was *instead* of getting fire calls, given the context of the first line. Electric Monk May 2013 #50

I guess hopping for a day when nothing crappy happens is to much to ask for Brother Buzz May 2013 #61

I suspect that if she did then you and sad-cafe would simply accuse her of being lazy, instead. nt Electric Monk May 2013 #63

If you don't like the poster, ... ljm2002 May 2013 #40

I'm a left-wing libertarian. LWolf May 2013 #12

Yup, it is nadinbrzezinski May 2013 #16

+1000 truebluegreen May 2013 #20

One of the things I like about this compass LWolf May 2013 #29

I agree completely. truebluegreen May 2013 #32

Yes. LWolf May 2013 #34

That was fun fredamae May 2013 #25

One thing I've always wished for on that site truebluegreen May 2013 #33

This basically affirms fredamae May 2013 #80

I guess I am too, because my numbers are pretty close to yours. LuvNewcastle May 2013 #27

In past years, LWolf May 2013 #28

But the funny thing is, in my experience, the righties aren't aligned with their voters either. truebluegreen May 2013 #36

The majority of American voters LWolf May 2013 #37

Very true . truebluegreen May 2013 #38

D= LostOne4Ever May 2013 #39

I think it depends LWolf May 2013 #74

So am I. WorseBeforeBetter May 2013 #54

Everyone wants to think binary here Mnpaul May 2013 #77

As am I. I also have a strong disliking of Ron Paul. Dash87 May 2013 #82

More and more since I first said it, it is an 80-20 world with the extreme fringe being 20 graham4anything May 2013 #18

Don't worry -- no one will ever mistake you for a libertarian. LAGC May 2013 #19

Thomas Jefferson would be considered a left-wing libertarian davidn3600 May 2013 #21

Very correct. nadinbrzezinski May 2013 #22

and Thomas himself is an example of why libertarianism is a failure. DonCoquixote May 2013 #30

Actually Jefferson wanted to go further with the declaration, but was overruled davidn3600 May 2013 #45

Thomas Jefferson was a slave owning rapist. Gravitycollapse May 2013 #41

Chart with more politicians: LeftInTX May 2013 #35

Notice where Barack Obama is on that chart davidn3600 May 2013 #47

If you are defining "left-wing libertarians" truebluegreen May 2013 #42

What you describe is not libertarianism. nt Honeycombe8 May 2013 #43

I'm a left wing libertarian, as are all traditional anarchists. Warren Stupidity May 2013 #44

Hm. That explains much. Buzz Clik May 2013 #46

Ignore is for idiots and weaklings. Warren Stupidity May 2013 #48

Agreed! Buzz Clik May 2013 #49

The majority of people on this site are left wing libertarians even if they don't realize it Bjorn Against May 2013 #52

I would not say the majority nadinbrzezinski May 2013 #53

At the very least I think this site was majority libertarian during the Bush Administration Bjorn Against May 2013 #55

There s that nadinbrzezinski May 2013 #59

Noam Chomsky ozone_man May 2013 #66

but we are NOT in Europe, we are here, and Ron Paul libertarians in US are 100% racists. graham4anything May 2013 #70

Don't let the right-wing hijack our language Bjorn Against May 2013 #73

So does this make me a left-libertarian? LostOne4Ever May 2013 #71

Yes, you sound like a left leaning libertarian to me. Bjorn Against May 2013 #72

Everything in that 3rd paragraph describes either a "Denial-ican" or an "Apostle" . . . HughBeaumont May 2013 #75

I'm with you fredamae May 2013 #81

Terms such as left libertarian, libertarian, liberal, progressive, conservative, socialist... Agnosticsherbet May 2013 #56

The definitions have meanings nadinbrzezinski May 2013 #58

Yes, but most peole don't know they are clueless... Agnosticsherbet May 2013 #62

I still prefer to start from the definition and go from there nadinbrzezinski May 2013 #64

It really is a contradiction in terms, because the economic side of Libertarianism pnwmom May 2013 #60

Economic and social policies are two different things jeff47 May 2013 #65

The way I look at it, there are two flavors of free-market libertarians. pnwmom May 2013 #68

There's a range of views on both axes jeff47 May 2013 #83

Are you saying that there are people calling themselves libertarian pnwmom May 2013 #84

Libertarian is one end of the axis. Stalin is on the opposite end of that axis. (nt) jeff47 May 2013 #85

4 letters: A-C-L-U. napoleon_in_rags May 2013 #67

IIRC, Zinn identified as a 'social libertarian' RedCappedBandit May 2013 #69

I described myself as such to my girlfriend Puzzledtraveller May 2013 #79

There's a difference between social and economic libertarians. Xithras May 2013 #86