General Discussion

EFerrari

(163,986 posts)

127. Do you have trouble understanding women in general or just assault victims and sneaky feminists?

Reply to Post removed (Reply #126)

Tue Feb 7, 2012, 03:11 PM

Feb 2012

Edit history

Please sign in to view edit histories.

199 replies

= new reply since forum marked as read

Highlight:

Do sexual assault victims have an obligation to resist/protest? [View all] Nuclear Unicorn Feb 2012 OP

If you're the one asking us, why are you shaking mad already? Quantess Feb 2012 #1

ya... lol, you are. i think it is real clear. seabeyond Feb 2012 #3

Is this a carryover conversation from another thread? Quantess Feb 2012 #8

i dont know. i dont know where it is coming from. nt seabeyond Feb 2012 #12

Yes. Sorry. I'm a little flush with emotion -- in case you hadn't guessed. n/t Nuclear Unicorn Feb 2012 #13

Sorry, I was just wanting a little background. Quantess Feb 2012 #16

Nothing for you to apologize for. Your inquiry was absolutely fair. Nuclear Unicorn Feb 2012 #23

But... Boombaby Feb 2012 #151

My guess would be the Kennedy thread. Maine-ah Feb 2012 #190

Read my post #86 in this thread before you jump to conclusions. DutchLiberal Feb 2012 #88

It's a silent call-out of me, from the JFK-thread in GD... DutchLiberal Feb 2012 #86

Post removed Post removed Feb 2012 #108

Either discuss or don't. But don't be childish like this. DutchLiberal Feb 2012 #110

The subject is non-consenting sex. Nuclear Unicorn Feb 2012 #125

If a woman gives no indication of objection and/or goes along with the man, it's not assault. DutchLiberal Feb 2012 #128

So there's no such thing as an abuse of power or trust? Nuclear Unicorn Feb 2012 #132

How is it "abuse of power" when the man in question doesn't threaten anybody? DutchLiberal Feb 2012 #140

Well if every other time he tells you do something, he expects it to be done Nikia Feb 2012 #174

From the guy that brought you complaints of false equivalency come false dichotomy & strawmen Nuclear Unicorn Feb 2012 #176

no is enough roguevalley Feb 2012 #15

You don't even have to say "no" obamanut2012 Feb 2012 #18

agreed. I wonder why there isn't more optics on men than women. what the hell is wrong with so many roguevalley Feb 2012 #184

I'm stunned such a thing could be advanced in a progressive forum. Nuclear Unicorn Feb 2012 #4

I'm thinking I'm glad I didn't see that thread obamanut2012 Feb 2012 #19

The rapist in question here appears to be John F. Kennedy alcibiades_mystery Feb 2012 #28

omg obamanut2012 Feb 2012 #50

This forum is very progressive when it comes to sexual orientation rights, and racial issues.. left coaster Feb 2012 #20

patriarchy, sexism, misogynist is not party grown. nt seabeyond Feb 2012 #22

Definitely cultural -- but cultures can change for the better Nuclear Unicorn Feb 2012 #24

i am right there with you. we had an hour conversation with 16, 14 yr old sons, hubby seabeyond Feb 2012 #25

Nor is misandry and male-bashing apparantly. DutchLiberal Feb 2012 #100

this would be the same bogus bullshit like duers claiming ALL sex is an assault? nt seabeyond Feb 2012 #103

Oh, so randomly throwing in the tired, worn-out "patriarchy", "misogyny" etc. is okay DutchLiberal Feb 2012 #115

you have "cited" shit, yet.... nt seabeyond Feb 2012 #117

I don't think pointing out a false equivalency is disallowing anyone from using "misandry" in a sent LanternWaste Feb 2012 #119

There's no false equivalency. Just the usual pattern on DU... DutchLiberal Feb 2012 #123

ya, right... like throwing out duers saying all sex is assault. no man can go around saying that seabeyond Feb 2012 #134

+10..n/t whathehell Feb 2012 #189

The fact is, you made something completely different out of what was originally said... DutchLiberal Feb 2012 #102

More like you deliberately left out abuses of power to coerce people who don't consent Nuclear Unicorn Feb 2012 #105

She unbuttoned her shirt for him, when he was in no way forcing/threatening her DutchLiberal Feb 2012 #113

I think the answer is obvious justiceischeap Feb 2012 #2

yip Johonny Feb 2012 #27

Yeah, bite the guy's hand that he has a gun or knife in... joeybee12 Feb 2012 #5

Nope, then it becomes murder, forget the rape justiceischeap Feb 2012 #7

The OP specifically said no threatening was involved, so your sarcasm is completely misplaced. DutchLiberal Feb 2012 #104

It's generally accepted that a power differential can be seen as coercion, but just because a power Brickbat Feb 2012 #6

What about other cases where it is legally rape? Because of power differential? moriah Feb 2012 #77

Well, you know, if they use the date rape drug LiberalLoner Feb 2012 #9

ture that. no ... no's. no struggle. total acceptance. nt seabeyond Feb 2012 #14

read up on how predators "groom" their victims, then watch the movie fishtank firehorse Feb 2012 #10

Fishtank is about predators? BlueIris Feb 2012 #173

sexually inexperienced 17 yr old at a party of adults. late 20s, 30s. a couple beers and drunk seabeyond Feb 2012 #11

Maybe I'm too modern, too young, too naive and all sorts of wild ideas have been put into my head Nuclear Unicorn Feb 2012 #17

just putting it out there. especially our very young girls, they are not equipped thru experience, seabeyond Feb 2012 #21

Not just girls. lapislzi Feb 2012 #29

very good point, and true... " Not just girls". right on. thank you. nt seabeyond Feb 2012 #34

Our backward, stoggie puritan culture must empower women to say yes. WingDinger Feb 2012 #63

i tell my boys, for the girls and their protection, seabeyond Feb 2012 #68

Can you please run for Surgeon General? WingDinger Feb 2012 #69

lmao... no, i am too busy making green chili soup. seabeyond Feb 2012 #71

Prolly for the best. last time a woman talked truth, she was tarred and feathered. WingDinger Feb 2012 #74

true that. nt seabeyond Feb 2012 #76

The only luck here was in the host's choice of a naive victim. lapislzi Feb 2012 #30

Mere sympathy seems too pale. I hope your post is only an expression of past thougths Nuclear Unicorn Feb 2012 #35

Thank you, dear NU lapislzi Feb 2012 #78

wow. and yes. exactly. i wish... wish... people would work harder seabeyond Feb 2012 #36

That's absolutely heartbreaking and infuriating at the same time chrisa Feb 2012 #112

The way I look at it... MadrasT Feb 2012 #26

^ this. Thank-you. Nuclear Unicorn Feb 2012 #31

No means no. Beyond that, I think it's a case-by-case thing. MineralMan Feb 2012 #32

Ultimately a Jury decision One_Life_To_Give Feb 2012 #33

What if there's no jury except in the locker room? Nuclear Unicorn Feb 2012 #37

yes... what if.... nt seabeyond Feb 2012 #39

In that situation, he'd get read off and would no longer be a friend. MineralMan Feb 2012 #41

I'm guessing you have a higher caliber of friends. Nuclear Unicorn Feb 2012 #43

Maybe so. I was never a locker-room sort of guy. MineralMan Feb 2012 #46

my husband, too. i ask him about things i read on this board..... seabeyond Feb 2012 #47

Sorry to hit a button One_Life_To_Give Feb 2012 #122

Why do I get the idea here that some think that if the woman has sex RC Feb 2012 #38

ah, geeeez..... nt seabeyond Feb 2012 #40

1) yes, women are sexual creatures Nuclear Unicorn Feb 2012 #42

No, that's not the idea here. That's an idea that some men MineralMan Feb 2012 #44

Sometime I like to be the demure sex kitten, sometimes he likes "ambush sex" Nuclear Unicorn Feb 2012 #48

Sure. That's in an established relationship. MineralMan Feb 2012 #53

Because we often interpret and/or rationalize a thing... LanternWaste Feb 2012 #45

Why don't you tell us why you get that idea - there's nothing in the thread petronius Feb 2012 #58

wtf obamanut2012 Feb 2012 #80

You completely missed the point of this thread. chrisa Feb 2012 #116

Disagree. lapislzi Feb 2012 #194

behaviors and ambiguities lead ultimately to muddy waters, seabeyond Feb 2012 #198

A victim has the RIGHT to SURVIVE! If that victim needs to lay still and let the attacker do what Justice wanted Feb 2012 #49

. Nuclear Unicorn Feb 2012 #52

Thank you. This type of thing brings out strong feelings in me. Justice wanted Feb 2012 #56

I fought back hard. polly7 Feb 2012 #55

Instincts are strong. They are a gut reactions. If I had known my attacker I might have fought Justice wanted Feb 2012 #59

You did amazing. How many people do we hear who didn't survive polly7 Feb 2012 #66

Exactly-we are here and that's all that counts. Fists can be just as scary and dangerous guns and Justice wanted Feb 2012 #73

Thank you so much. polly7 Feb 2012 #107

Too much pain in the world. Nuclear Unicorn Feb 2012 #60

Aw, you're kind. I just wanted to share that fighting back is probably polly7 Feb 2012 #106

I'm so sorry. lapislzi Feb 2012 #195

Thank you for your words. I have been on the path to healing for 15 years. I am lucky to have a Justice wanted Feb 2012 #196

No is enough but this thread brought up something interesting and it needs repeating Broderick Feb 2012 #51

That's a very good point. Those are the society's 'no's. MineralMan Feb 2012 #54

Assholes and rapists Broderick Feb 2012 #62

If it is incest, statuatory rape or too out of it to consent, NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO WingDinger Feb 2012 #57

Only Yes means Yes Nuclear Unicorn Feb 2012 #61

As in reply 17, Women/girls must be empowered to say yes. WingDinger Feb 2012 #64

Not my point but I'll offer the benefit of the doubt. Nuclear Unicorn Feb 2012 #67

Social pressure, power dynamics, are just those things boys should be taught to run from, WingDinger Feb 2012 #72

if men think about it, i bet more have been in this situation and yes.... seabeyond Feb 2012 #75

Oh, and was threatened with violence, if I didnt allow a dog to hump me. I chose fighting. WingDinger Feb 2012 #82

A woman has no DUTY to say "no" obamanut2012 Feb 2012 #83

As I said earlier, Joselyn Elders was just that person to begin that transition. WingDinger Feb 2012 #89

no. Bluerthanblue Feb 2012 #65

What if a boss implies a woman will be fired? Hatchling Feb 2012 #70

Absolutely not Dorian Gray Feb 2012 #79

Since you used my exact words from another thread to make this OP, let me clarify... DutchLiberal Feb 2012 #81

Yknow, I would be for a form that required a signature by the women, if it is a power dynamic situat WingDinger Feb 2012 #84

But shouldn't it be notarized? lumberjack_jeff Feb 2012 #181

I was told by my landlady, that if I didnt impregnate her, I should move. WingDinger Feb 2012 #183

How is it not assualt if she didn't say "yes" obamanut2012 Feb 2012 #85

Whenever I get intimate with a woman, her actions indicate clearly whether or not she wants it. DutchLiberal Feb 2012 #91

"yes, you may have sex with me".. you may have sex with me? really? lol. geez. how about, ya.. seabeyond Feb 2012 #93

Actually, that was an exaggeration of what obamanut was saying, so you're making fun of her now. DutchLiberal Feb 2012 #97

wrong again. hubby and i all the time are "yessing" each other back and forth. never seabeyond Feb 2012 #99

Guess I should be behind bars One_Life_To_Give Feb 2012 #166

except when i was talking about yes... it was not really about this. seabeyond Feb 2012 #170

"there ARE some people on DU". ONE. show me ONE person. ONE link. and you prove your point seabeyond Feb 2012 #87

There should be a strawman callout of DUers report rule. WingDinger Feb 2012 #90

I don't remember all usernames, but it has been suggested. DutchLiberal Feb 2012 #92

ONE... you are making a damn stupid claim as SOME on du. ONE. or it didnt happen seabeyond Feb 2012 #94

now you edit your post to run run run, shift, divert. ONE person that has claimed ALL sex seabeyond Feb 2012 #96

I often edit posts for further clarification. It's not a crime. Take a chill pill. DutchLiberal Feb 2012 #98

ONE of my post that comes even kinda close to saying ALL sex is an assault. ONE seabeyond Feb 2012 #101

Plenty! DutchLiberal Feb 2012 #109

lmFao. so every time i have had sex or will have sex, i think i am being raped. and you know this seabeyond Feb 2012 #111

Again, not what I said. This is what I meant when I was talking about putting words in mens' mouths. DutchLiberal Feb 2012 #118

"EVERY form of sex is a kind of "assault""... where am i putting words in "mens mouth" seabeyond Feb 2012 #121

I was thinking that too. Lunacee2012 Feb 2012 #135

the "feminist" (now) are too clever to say it, the poster just know that is really what they are seabeyond Feb 2012 #138

Well at least now we're clever Lunacee2012 Feb 2012 #159

TOO clever, not just any old clever. lol. true that. nt seabeyond Feb 2012 #165

Counter points chrisa Feb 2012 #120

Post removed Post removed Feb 2012 #126

Do you have trouble understanding women in general or just assault victims and sneaky feminists? EFerrari Feb 2012 #127

No need to steep to vile character assassinations. Give me an argument and I'll discuss. DutchLiberal Feb 2012 #130

I asked you a question. And have already given you an answer to yours. EFerrari Feb 2012 #131

No, you haven't. I have yet to see one argument from you. If name-calling is all you got.. DutchLiberal Feb 2012 #143

Excuse me, the integrity of women's bodies is not debatable. EFerrari Feb 2012 #167

so none of the FEMINIST (now) have said, but you KNOW what they are really saying..... fuck. nt seabeyond Feb 2012 #137

And apparently I'm one of those sex-hating all-sex-is-assault subliminal message feminists. Nuclear Unicorn Feb 2012 #139

worse... post 141. does he do this with all women, and what does that do for them in having a say seabeyond Feb 2012 #146

Another lie from you. I specifically stated you were *not* one of them. DutchLiberal Feb 2012 #147

Maybe I missed that post. If so, then fair is fair. Nuclear Unicorn Feb 2012 #158

"speak in code language"" imply and suggest""read between the lines" if this is how you decipher if seabeyond Feb 2012 #141

Post removed Post removed Feb 2012 #148

"Feminazis"?!?! Nuclear Unicorn Feb 2012 #152

Are you denying there are misandrist extremist feminists who do nothing but bash men? DutchLiberal Feb 2012 #161

why would i trust your ability to "decode" with any woman when you clearly show your inability on seabeyond Feb 2012 #153

what is a feminazi? Broderick Feb 2012 #156

A woman who thinks feminism is about bashing men every opportunity they get. DutchLiberal Feb 2012 #162

"Feminazi?" chrisa Feb 2012 #164

+1 Little Star Feb 2012 #199

By Jove! I think you've diagnosed the issue exactly. Nuclear Unicorn Feb 2012 #149

Tricky, tricky girls. Devious things we are. seabeyond Feb 2012 #154

And if a man doesn't know, I imagine the most prudent thing to do LanternWaste Feb 2012 #145

For clarification, picture this then: DutchLiberal Feb 2012 #155

Dude, you are the first alert I have sent. You seem to have a huge chip on your patriarchal shoulder WingDinger Feb 2012 #163

That is a mischaracterization of the originating disagreement. Nuclear Unicorn Feb 2012 #168

I don't pretend to know it assault, but it is bad judgement. LanternWaste Feb 2012 #175

First, why are you having sex with a girl and second, your mind reading will not EFerrari Feb 2012 #177

Perhaps the creepiest story ever posted on DU alcibiades_mystery Feb 2012 #186

If a man walks around with the impression that women want to have sex with him, by default, EFerrari Feb 2012 #124

I was an adult when I was raped. LeftyMom Feb 2012 #157

I went to a workshop... FreeJoe Feb 2012 #95

Sometimes that'll get a person killed. DevonRex Feb 2012 #114

A very close friend of mine in college libodem Feb 2012 #136

OMG. DevonRex Feb 2012 #142

I know libodem Feb 2012 #169

Holding a position of authority in the office where I work... LanternWaste Feb 2012 #129

Imagine if the current President did the same thing. undeterred Feb 2012 #133

Any of the other 42 as well. Despite oppression such as a lack of suffrage Nuclear Unicorn Feb 2012 #144

Was Sally Hemmings really in a position to consent? dawg Feb 2012 #160

My dawg! Nuclear Unicorn Feb 2012 #171

Jefferson is a bad example in this case. Withywindle Feb 2012 #172

Have to agree with you there. Lunacee2012 Feb 2012 #150

That doesn't make any sense. Rex Feb 2012 #178

post 11, 30, 70, and 157 may give you some idea of what is being discussed seabeyond Feb 2012 #179

I once thought there were no dumb questions. I've re-evaluated that.... LanternWaste Feb 2012 #180

This reminds me of the bombshell my therapist layed on me many years ago tavalon Feb 2012 #192

+1. hear ya. so many subtles that we dont even recognize. nt seabeyond Feb 2012 #193

It WAS the reason I decided to fire that "family" fairly soon thereafter tavalon Feb 2012 #197

Consent is a simple topic. lumberjack_jeff Feb 2012 #182

"I know because you didn't say anything" meets no definition of consent. EFerrari Feb 2012 #187

If its 'Uncle' Brad, then HELLS YEAH, he is guilty of a crime. renie408 Feb 2012 #185

Some context would be nice here. LadyHawkAZ Feb 2012 #188

There are so many forms of rape and the person who was raped usually knows they were raped tavalon Feb 2012 #191