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Tue Feb 7, 2012, 02:02 AM

103. What?... Debord's critique of "the spectacle" is interesting... but it isn't... timely

I suppose I would be willing to entertain your argument as to how Chomsky's criticism of the potential uses of sports in order to.. help manufacture consent... is a "woefully lacking adaptation" of Debord.... but I have my doubts you could make the argument compelling.

They aren't speaking of the same thing. the couldn't be... as Debord was writing nearly 100 years ago.

The "Noam Phone" you linked to is a marketing wonder... but doesn't undermine anything Chomsky has to say... unless one is prone to "judgement by marketing corollary-ism"

Chomsky's criticisms of sports, however... aren't based on some abstract notion of spectacle and "breads and circuses" and so on... but are really laid in a foundation of examination of imperialism and neo-imperialism.

The ideas of Debord, such as "Thus, Debord’s fourth thesis is: 'The spectacle is not a collection of images; rather, it is a social relationship between people that is mediated by images.' " ... are very compelling, especially in the context of the MtV Generation... not to mention the YouTube generation ... but they really aren't relevant when one is considering issues of imperialism and neo-imperialism.

You may be interested in side-tracking the discussion back to the issue of the social relationships between humans who relate to each other by means of images... but Chomsky is clearly interested in the topic of manufacturing a body of peoples who are liable to be properly indoctrinated in the virtues of "teamwork" and "giving 110%" by means of utilizing sports activities to condition people into accepting the sorts of language and group-think that was formerly only inculcated by military basic training.

Your fixation on Debord becomes increasingly tangential as the point of the Op is considered...

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