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Response to DanTex (Reply #83)

Fri Apr 26, 2013, 06:25 PM

84. No, I didn't!

 

Up until now, you were claiming that a federal gun registry would violate the commerce clause


No I didn't! I said a federal gun registry violates the 4th amendment. I said that Congress making a law regulating private sales would violate the commerce clause.

As far as the commerce clause, NFA proves that the federal government is within its rights to regulate private in-state transfers.


You have yet to prove that the NFA regulates any private in state transfers. Furthermore, you have yet to demonstrate how the NFA would apply to arms not covered by the NFA.

Now you're changing your story and claiming it violates the second amendment. This is also false, because registering guns does not prevent people from owning them.


No, I said it violates the 4th amendment.

since states are bound by 2A also, then obviously these prove that gun registries are not a violation of 2A.


No, it just means the Supreme Court has not ruled on this yet. I'll remind you that D.C. used gun registries to ban the ownership of guns by everyone, and the Heller decision overturned that.

Remember, even your buddy Scalia has conceded that there are limits on 2A.


Scalia is not my buddy, but he made it clear what the limits on the 2nd amendment are. Long standing prohibitions against "unusual or dangerous" weapons can be regulated, like sawed off shot guns and full auto rifles. Long standing prohibitions against allowing guns in gov't buildings and airports is okay. But that was about it. Read the Heller decision!

I'm saying that private gun sales have a substantial effect on gun trafficking, which is enough to justify regulation at the federal level.


What percentage of private gun sales do you think are used in gun trafficking?

Yeah, the fourth amendment says you can't be searched without probably cause. That has absolutely nothing to do with a registry.


Does a registry allow gov't to know what property you own?

Again, since NFA is a registry, if the 4th amendment prevented registries, then NFA would be unconstitutional.


You have yet to demonstrate that the NFA is a registry. And even if it did, why would a registry that applies to the NFA apply to guns not covered by the NFA?

This is all mute, since the federal registration of guns not covered by the NFA is already illegal.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Firearm_Owners_Protection_Act#Registry_prohibition

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