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Response to Uzair (Reply #62)

Sun Apr 21, 2013, 02:26 PM

68. The Second Amendment does not confer the right to possess a firearm. That's the important fact.

You may think you can add 1+1 and get -2 but that's not how it works.

The Founding Fathers stated in the Declaration of Independence that ""We hold these Truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness (emphasis mine)."

The right to possess a firearm existed before the Constitution was written. You'll see this in the way the Second Amendment is worded; nowhere does it say "shall enjoy the right" or "this right is conferred". What it says is that a right (already thought to exist) shall not be infringed upon by the government.

Maybe that's why you're not getting the arguments you hoped to with your 14th post at DU. Granted, it got all the right posters whipped up into a frothy frenzy but notice who, and over what. The death by gun ratio between Canada and the United States is totally irrelevant to the conversation.

Let's talk about repealing the Second Amendment.

"Constitution of the United States of America, Article V: The Congress, whenever two thirds of both Houses shall deem it necessary, shall propose Amendments to this Constitution, or, on the Application of the Legislatures of two thirds of the several States, shall call a Convention for proposing Amendments, which, in either Case, shall be valid to all Intents and Purposes, as Part of this Constitution, when ratified by the Legislatures of three fourths of the several States, or by Conventions in three fourths thereof, as the one or the other Mode of Ratification may be proposed by the Congress; Provided that no Amendment which may be made prior to the Year One thousand eight hundred and eight shall in any Manner affect the first and fourth Clauses in the Ninth Section of the first Article, and that no State, without its Consent, shall be deprived of it's equal Suffrage in the Senate."

Two-thirds. Let's just take that little nugget and roll it around in our mouths for a second. There are something on the order of one hundred million gun owners in the United States. That is roughly 1/3 of the population. Now, you can believe (as you seem to do) that the 2/3 who don't own a gun would like to see the 1/3 who do, lose the right to possess them. You'll excuse me if I state that's one of the funniest things I've ever heard. You see, on the point of repeal you simply don't have the numbers. And, let's not forget that the FIRST AND ONLY wish of any congresscritter or senator is to be reelected. That said, don't hold your breath waiting for 2/3 of them to vote against the will of the people.

The reason Heller was possible is the right to own a firearm pre-dates the Constitution. Since the Second Amendment actually confers no right, the clause containing the words "well-regulated militia" is completely irrelevant to whether or not private citizens can own guns.

I respectfully suggest you turn your attention to organizing Constitutional Conventions rather than simply trying to stir up shit on DU by posting an argument we've all seen here a hundred times before your arrival last week.

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