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AngryOldDem

(14,061 posts)
121. Good decision.
Thu Apr 18, 2013, 06:28 PM
Apr 2013

Kerry's refusal to challenge 2004 is well worthy of criticism, even after all these years. The theft of Ohio was so blatant in and of itself, which is why a lot of us are still angry at and disappointed in Kerry.

I was a poll runner for the Kerry campaign in Dayton in 2004. I will always remember walking into the HQ around 5 p.m. election night and being told by workers there -- who had been in contact with the state campaign HQ -- that Kerry had Ohio in the bag. And he did -- until all shenanigans started.

A lot of us felt betrayed by his cave in. When that kind of stuff happens, you call them on it, even if it means stopping the process. The Republic won't crumble because election results are delayed by a few weeks (or more). And who knows combine 2004 with 2000, and who knows what would have happened if Kerry had chosen to do the right thing?

Pointless to carry on about it now, though.

That asshole riqster Apr 2013 #1
+1000 forestpath Apr 2013 #8
Well, it's a good thing that "asshole" didn't become President. n/t ProSense Apr 2013 #9
Better the asshole than the shrub nt riqster Apr 2013 #16
The "asshole" would be better than the one now in office? ProSense Apr 2013 #23
Nope... truebrit71 Apr 2013 #34
John Kerry is an asshole for not keeping his promise to us in 2004 riqster Apr 2013 #36
Slowest concession in US history. BTW - blame Ohio recount rules blm Apr 2013 #54
Really? Gore took a lot longer and vigorously contested the election in 2000. riqster Apr 2013 #58
Gore actually called Bush and conceded 13 hours earlier than Kerry ProSense Apr 2013 #65
Gore responded to input. A key difference. riqster Apr 2013 #66
You were wrong. ProSense Apr 2013 #67
I was on the ground that night in Ohio riqster Apr 2013 #70
Blame yourselves, riq - you blew it in the years before election day when blm Apr 2013 #91
Baloney - Kerry responded to the FACT that by Ohio recount rules there blm Apr 2013 #90
You're Wrong - Gore conceded then UNconceded when the numbers changed. blm Apr 2013 #89
Conyers Report PDF. Instead of re-arguing this over and over, I wish... YvonneCa Apr 2013 #118
yep and he left us and went on vacation Slit Skirt Apr 2013 #97
jeebus Phlem Apr 2013 #47
How is this about Obama? Marr Apr 2013 #53
It's not, of course. AnnieK401 Apr 2013 #68
That's where my hangnail came from? riqster Apr 2013 #74
I do believe she said "the shrub" whathehell Apr 2013 #84
presumably if Kerry had won in 2004 hfojvt Apr 2013 #117
Yeah...okay...uh huh. whathehell Apr 2013 #123
Agreed.... whathehell Apr 2013 #85
all he needed was to count the votes. would have been president. robinlynne Apr 2013 #103
word frylock Apr 2013 #46
That "asshole" is who you prefered as POTUS. Please think before posting in anger. SleeplessinSoCal Apr 2013 #49
I have had ample time for thought riqster Apr 2013 #59
I still have lots of anger. For some reason, I suspect that it was rhett o rick Apr 2013 #94
On the bright side, at least we didn't wind up with VP Edwards Orrex Apr 2013 #60
Edwards would at least not have shot his mistresses in the face riqster Apr 2013 #61
He knew the ... YvonneCa Apr 2013 #119
Oh God not this shit again Blue Owl Apr 2013 #2
He didn't have the nerve in 2004 and he knows it was stolen. undeterred Apr 2013 #3
You got that right! byeya Apr 2013 #13
No words. Thanks KamaAina. wow nt Mnemosyne Apr 2013 #4
I miss EFerrari's voice on DU suffragette Apr 2013 #5
Me too. formercia Apr 2013 #18
I miss her presence here me b zola Apr 2013 #32
Run off? What happened? KamaAina Apr 2013 #44
Me too Renew Deal Apr 2013 #55
Agreed. But, where is EFerrari...I miss her? Tierra_y_Libertad Apr 2013 #6
She's on Twitter. Link madfloridian Apr 2013 #26
Thanks, MadFloridian. She is/was one of the best of DU. Tierra_y_Libertad Apr 2013 #33
What happened to her? whathehell Apr 2013 #86
I don't know. Tierra_y_Libertad Apr 2013 #96
Thank you so much! Hell Hath No Fury Apr 2013 #37
I yoinked that from her Facebook feed KamaAina Apr 2013 #45
Where is the ProSense Apr 2013 #7
its right over your head, look up. Warren Stupidity Apr 2013 #19
Oh please, ProSense Apr 2013 #21
Not really... truebrit71 Apr 2013 #25
Yes, ProSense Apr 2013 #28
Nice retro info dump. UnrepentantLiberal Apr 2013 #48
! OnyxCollie Apr 2013 #40
Opportunistic on whose part? LooseWilly Apr 2013 #52
Actually it is in post 7 as well hootinholler Apr 2013 #30
Not similar scenarios. alp227 Apr 2013 #38
Why would any country pay attention to the "do as we say not as we do" U.S. forestpath Apr 2013 #10
Different countries with different standards treestar Apr 2013 #11
This country lost any moral high road in overseeing elections after 2000...nt joeybee12 Apr 2013 #12
^This^ riqster Apr 2013 #15
+2 proverbialwisdom Apr 2013 #105
I sure would like a couple of recounts here too. Autumn Apr 2013 #14
Well, he probably would have gone along with a recount in 04 n2doc Apr 2013 #17
Meet the new Boss at State. formercia Apr 2013 #20
Is he plotting the Honduras treatment yet? Fuddnik Apr 2013 #42
My respect for John Kerry drops another notch. PufPuf23 Apr 2013 #22
He couldn't call for a recount in 2004. Dawson Leery Apr 2013 #24
He couldn't call for a recount in 2004, RC Apr 2013 #83
Unbelievable... truebrit71 Apr 2013 #27
Seriously, there are NO words to express the magnitude of our national chutzpah. WinkyDink Apr 2013 #29
He didn't even demand one in Ohio malaise Apr 2013 #31
Nice catch! nt Zorra Apr 2013 #35
Fuck him. RevStPatrick Apr 2013 #39
You are all cursing out the wrong person. Beacool Apr 2013 #41
Kick and Rec! Fuddnik Apr 2013 #43
asked directly at a hearing Wednesday if he recognized Maduro, Kerry wouldn't say yes or no SleeplessinSoCal Apr 2013 #50
Botox has its downside. GeorgeGist Apr 2013 #51
Oh goodie! A Kerry-bashing thread. It's been a while. NYC Liberal Apr 2013 #56
Not bashing KamaAina Apr 2013 #62
Read the replies, which definitely are hateful bashing. NYC Liberal Apr 2013 #75
Point taken KamaAina Apr 2013 #79
Agreed. Bobbie Jo Apr 2013 #87
It's beyond bashing. It's ugly. But, that's to be expected. n/m Cha Apr 2013 #77
Seriously, ProSense Apr 2013 #63
How very sad. I remember signing a petition that went to Kerry asking him to oppose Bush's policies sabrina 1 Apr 2013 #57
did I already sigh here? librechik Apr 2013 #64
50.7% to 49.1% seems a pretty thin margin struggle4progress Apr 2013 #69
Maduro said he’d accept the full vote recount Go Vols Apr 2013 #71
He had said so right after the results were announced IIRC nt riqster Apr 2013 #76
Some people have no sense of irony. hifiguy Apr 2013 #72
+1. "kerry wouldn't say yes or no" of course not. no representative of the us will ever HiPointDem Apr 2013 #73
Or any OTHER South/Central American government to the left of the Somoza Regime, for that matter. TrollBuster9090 Apr 2013 #81
Haha! Well, in fairness to Kerry and everybody else... TrollBuster9090 Apr 2013 #78
that's when i came here to du..seems like a million years ago xiamiam Apr 2013 #80
K&R midnight Apr 2013 #82
0-6 sweep on the alert results JonLP24 Apr 2013 #88
It is indeed "DEMOCRATIC" Underground. KamaAina Apr 2013 #92
This message was self-deleted by its author politicasista Apr 2013 #95
... YvonneCa Apr 2013 #120
Good decision. AngryOldDem Apr 2013 #121
Oh good god flash me back to what...almost 10 years ago? Cal Carpenter Apr 2013 #93
he can't have all of us tased! MisterP Apr 2013 #98
Typical Kerry. zeeland Apr 2013 #99
It's not just John Kerry's policy, remember he who he works for. Ganja Ninja Apr 2013 #100
yep. what a disgrace of a govt we have NoMoreWarNow Apr 2013 #101
And it is our own history of honest elections Generic Other Apr 2013 #102
We ridicule the GOP for being unaware of irony. malthaussen Apr 2013 #104
I still think that the anger at Kerry is misplaced. Beacool Apr 2013 #106
I blame Hillary. I like her but not in Latin America policy flamingdem Apr 2013 #107
So, it's always a Clinton's fault even when they are not in office? Beacool Apr 2013 #108
You are making a good point flamingdem Apr 2013 #109
I don't know. I'll have to think over this. Beacool Apr 2013 #111
I am not that up on Argentina flamingdem Apr 2013 #113
OK, I'll take a look. Beacool Apr 2013 #115
Words totally and completely fail me Gman Apr 2013 #110
I had no idea how much of a coward Kerry was until 2006 Taverner Apr 2013 #112
I thought we might benefit from his "liberal" ideas flamingdem Apr 2013 #114
When he was a war hero, he had nothing to lose Taverner Apr 2013 #116
I and many others figured it out in 2004 KamaAina Apr 2013 #122
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