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Hassin Bin Sober

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Tue Apr 16, 2013, 10:45 PM
Apr 2013

At Tue Apr 16, 2013, 08:29 PM an alert was sent on the following post:

of course, this kind of violence is a by a product of the gun culture no matter where it originated
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=2688365

REASON FOR ALERT:

This post is disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate. (See <a href="http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=aboutus#communitystandards" target="_blank">Community Standards</a>.)

ALERTER'S COMMENTS:

This is an over-the-top attack on gun owners. I know many many people who own and shoot firearms and not a single one has announced their solidarity with the perpetrators of this heinous attack.

You served on a randomly-selected Jury of DU members which reviewed this post. The review was completed at Tue Apr 16, 2013, 08:33 PM, and the Jury voted 1-5 to LEAVE IT.

Juror #1 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE and said: Eh.
Juror #2 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE and said: It's an opinion. They're plentiful on DU. If you disagree, debate it and show him where he's wrong.
Juror #3 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE and said: No explanation given
Juror #4 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE and said: No explanation given
Juror #5 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE and said: Truth hurts
Juror #6 voted to HIDE IT and said: Agree with the alerter 100%. This post was hateful and unnecessary. Blaming gun owners for this senseless tragedy is no different from Westboro Baptist Church blaming gay marriage or Pat Robertson blaming Moslems. A tragedy is not a valid excuse to attack people you don't agree with or understand.

Thank you very much for participating in our Jury system, and we hope you will be able to participate again in the future.

No need to apologize; elleng Apr 2013 #1
You should apologize. And you should feel bad. Gravitycollapse Apr 2013 #2
What is reactionary about suspecting people who promote violence? Bjorn Against Apr 2013 #5
They invite your suspicion because you want them to be the ones who did this. Gravitycollapse Apr 2013 #10
Your vehemence is odd and curious. 2ndAmForComputers Apr 2013 #18
My "vehemence" stems from my impatience with disingenuous politicking in the OP. Gravitycollapse Apr 2013 #20
They are not equally suspicious in every case Bjorn Against Apr 2013 #23
We bomb their cities and kill their people. They have at least enough motivation. Gravitycollapse Apr 2013 #31
I do consider Islamic terrorists suspects too. The style doesn't quite match, but who knows. 2ndAmForComputers Apr 2013 #37
Because "suspicion" is a dangerous word to throw around. Gravitycollapse Apr 2013 #42
What, will it explode or something? 2ndAmForComputers Apr 2013 #44
Words as weapons. Suspicion is violent rhetoric. Gravitycollapse Apr 2013 #47
Please elaborate. What bad consequence will happen as a results of somebody publicly saying 2ndAmForComputers Apr 2013 #50
Islamist Militants routinely use hydrogen peroxide bombs. This was a pressure cooker bomb. Maraya1969 Apr 2013 #108
I'm not actually accusing Islamist militants of this attack. Gravitycollapse Apr 2013 #109
Wait now. Let's apply what you just said to the people who kill abortion providers and the ones who Maraya1969 Apr 2013 #111
So when we find right-wing extremists who said we should bomb the Boston Marathon... Gravitycollapse Apr 2013 #112
Just like the abortion place bombers don't make their plans out in the open neither did the people Maraya1969 Apr 2013 #115
Yes there is evidence that this is a home grown right winged anti-tax group or person. Maraya1969 Apr 2013 #110
Which facts are you referring to? Gravitycollapse Apr 2013 #113
It was done in Boston. On Patriot's Day - a day to celebrate The begining of the revolutionary war Maraya1969 Apr 2013 #116
So Tea Partiers blew up a group of marathon spectators to protest taxes... Gravitycollapse Apr 2013 #117
Way to throw in a strawman in order to ignore the facts. Maraya1969 Apr 2013 #124
Why target the marathon? onenote Apr 2013 #121
Militant Islamic terror organizations immediately claim credit for their acts of terror. Ikonoklast Apr 2013 #56
It's been 24 hours. You know nothing. Gravitycollapse Apr 2013 #60
I'll do as I please, I don't seek or need your permission. Ikonoklast Apr 2013 #64
This message was self-deleted by its author Crabby Appleton Apr 2013 #81
Why don't YOU STHU? WinkyDink Apr 2013 #93
No? Gravitycollapse Apr 2013 #94
I'm with you, seems pretty obvious nt Tumbulu Apr 2013 #118
They are not the 840high Apr 2013 #57
No they are not the only ones, but they are advocating violence Bjorn Against Apr 2013 #61
What if it was merely because it was a large crowd? freshwest Apr 2013 #107
reactionary kardonb Apr 2013 #88
Who's a reactionary? 2ndAmForComputers Apr 2013 #7
Anybody who thinks they know who committed this attack with zero evidence. Gravitycollapse Apr 2013 #12
"Thinks they know" and "suspects" are NOT the same thing, you know that, don't you? 2ndAmForComputers Apr 2013 #14
What is the difference, if you don't mind? Gravitycollapse Apr 2013 #15
You DON'T know the difference? OK, I'll explain it to you verrrry slowly. 2ndAmForComputers Apr 2013 #22
No, the OP suspects that right-wingers did this. Gravitycollapse Apr 2013 #28
Well, YES! Exactly! He DOES believe he might be wrong! Isn't that what rational people do? 2ndAmForComputers Apr 2013 #33
No, he should not have stated supicion. You've finally figured out my point. Gravitycollapse Apr 2013 #40
What are you afraid of? 2ndAmForComputers Apr 2013 #46
I'm afraid we are becoming that which we hate the most. Gravitycollapse Apr 2013 #49
Spare me the meaningless platitudes. What are you afraid of? 2ndAmForComputers Apr 2013 #54
I am afraid we are giving into to the very vitriol and self-assuredness that the right practices. Gravitycollapse Apr 2013 #58
What's with the we? ohheckyeah Apr 2013 #119
it's not exactly rocket science: we have rw terrorists in this country noiretextatique Apr 2013 #126
He's right; you're wrong. He owes no one an apology, least of all the RW fascists kestrel91316 Apr 2013 #39
Your concern is noted. n/t backscatter712 Apr 2013 #86
You would have us lulled cartach Apr 2013 #100
Is that the best you can do? Accuse me of supporting right-wing extremists? Gravitycollapse Apr 2013 #101
I agree and I don't want to be politically correct Horse with no Name Apr 2013 #3
Are you talking about Bully Taw Apr 2013 #74
I don't suspect Charlton Heston. nt pintobean Apr 2013 #4
I suspect the people that he got to cheer him Bjorn Against Apr 2013 #9
I think it's foolish to speculate at this point. pintobean Apr 2013 #16
Depends on the facts of the case Bjorn Against Apr 2013 #30
The senator targeted leftynyc Apr 2013 #122
Which is one of the main reasons that non-violent resistance is ultimately the only way out 99th_Monkey Apr 2013 #6
The NRA made it impossible to trace ingredients used in explosives. Lint Head Apr 2013 #8
Not really true mwrguy Apr 2013 #27
Add anyone who talks about "second amendment solutions" when they lose elections. baldguy Apr 2013 #11
So, regardless of who is found to be behind this... Llewlladdwr Apr 2013 #13
"Round up the usual suspects..." pinboy3niner Apr 2013 #19
I love your sig. Gravitycollapse Apr 2013 #21
I never said I won't retract, I said I won't apologize. Bjorn Against Apr 2013 #32
Is it OK for people to suspect groups that have declared a Jihad against the Great Satan, Nye Bevan Apr 2013 #17
Oh no, that's straight out. nt Llewlladdwr Apr 2013 #24
I guess you're afraid to say... jessie04 Apr 2013 #26
In a number of situations I would suspect them Bjorn Against Apr 2013 #36
Did you know the 1936 Arab Revolt in Palestine began on April 15th? Llewlladdwr Apr 2013 #63
But one group in particular associates themselves with the site of the Boston Tea Party Bjorn Against Apr 2013 #67
However, Al-Qaeda has issued threats against sporting events before. Llewlladdwr Apr 2013 #73
I won't deny a small chance that it might be Al Qaeda Bjorn Against Apr 2013 #75
Perhaps it was Anarchists? Llewlladdwr Apr 2013 #78
What if it was the Easter Bunny? Bjorn Against Apr 2013 #83
But no good reason to be suspicious of any Islamist groups that have threatened violence... Llewlladdwr Apr 2013 #87
Notice DU's resident NRA defenders have swarmed your thread posting right-wing talking points, but apocalypsehow Apr 2013 #25
Am I a resident NRA defender? Or are you merely attempting to marginalize dissent? Gravitycollapse Apr 2013 #29
You're not really fooling anyone, know it? n/t. apocalypsehow Apr 2013 #34
In what way am I trying to fool people? Gravitycollapse Apr 2013 #41
That's funny, there. apocalypsehow Apr 2013 #45
It's called black/white thinking derby378 Apr 2013 #35
You, either. apocalypsehow Apr 2013 #38
You're extremely transparent. This country has seen far more terrorist attacks by kestrel91316 Apr 2013 #48
I am not blaming anyone for these attacks. The bottom line is we simply don't know. Gravitycollapse Apr 2013 #53
BULLSHIT. Violence is destructive. Talking about it is not. kestrel91316 Apr 2013 #65
Words can absolutely be violent and destructive. Gravitycollapse Apr 2013 #68
Speech that encourages violence is as bad as violence. Our speculation about kestrel91316 Apr 2013 #85
I'm not so sure your speech is so innocent. Gravitycollapse Apr 2013 #95
+1,000. Pretty much nails it. n/t. apocalypsehow Apr 2013 #59
I'd go with marginalize dissent. nt Llewlladdwr Apr 2013 #51
I really don't care who or what you are. You are trying to divert attention from the extreme right. firenewt Apr 2013 #52
No apology necessary. Of course these whacko right wing extremist groups are prime suspects quinnox Apr 2013 #43
ANYONE could do a false flag & blame PO for a false flag. Or it could be an entirely 3rd thing trian patrice Apr 2013 #55
So well stated and exactly how I see it Tumbulu Apr 2013 #62
Message auto-removed Name removed Apr 2013 #66
Suspect as much as you please. 2ndAmForComputers Apr 2013 #69
2 posts and you are here defending right wing extremists? RetroLounge Apr 2013 #70
+1. n/t. apocalypsehow Apr 2013 #72
I reject violent rhetoric whether it comes from the left or right or anywhere in between. Bjorn Against Apr 2013 #71
I don't so much object, as find it interesting, that you come to DU and sound like Alex Jones. MH1 Apr 2013 #77
Well.... humbled_opinion Apr 2013 #76
Speculation doesn't require anything, as long as it is acknowledged as speculation. MH1 Apr 2013 #82
True... but humbled_opinion Apr 2013 #92
I'm guessing it is an essentially apolitical severely psychotic- James Holmes-Colorado Shooting Douglas Carpenter Apr 2013 #79
That's one possible scenario RZM Apr 2013 #80
Could be... backscatter712 Apr 2013 #89
I am with you. Do not apologize. dothemath Apr 2013 #84
Yes exactly. Look at what happened post 9/11. Initech Apr 2013 #97
No one is saying they are not people to watch DonCoquixote Apr 2013 #90
I personally am not too worried that the investigators will look the other way because of my post Bjorn Against Apr 2013 #120
of course, this kind of violence is a by a product of the gun culture no matter where it originated bowens43 Apr 2013 #91
It's not just gun culture though. It's our overall culture of violence. Gravitycollapse Apr 2013 #96
What a horrible comment. Llewlladdwr Apr 2013 #98
. Hassin Bin Sober Apr 2013 #106
What a load of crap leftynyc Apr 2013 #123
Much like... bobclark86 Apr 2013 #99
Alex Jones? Please. Bjorn Against Apr 2013 #105
You pissed off the gun-bunnies! That means you touched a nerve! backscatter712 Apr 2013 #102
I'm inclined to agree with you, Bjorn Against... ReRe Apr 2013 #103
You have every cause to be suspicious of the right wing meanit Apr 2013 #104
yes, you have cause to be suspicious Bully Taw Apr 2013 #131
Larger issue: Suspicion is useless and potentially harmful... VOX Apr 2013 #114
I lean toward some rw group/person doing this deutsey Apr 2013 #125
Kick Nye Bevan Apr 2013 #127
So...........about that theory.............. nt. TimberValley Apr 2013 #128
Ted Nuggent! Macoy51 Apr 2013 #129
well... Bully Taw Apr 2013 #130
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