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Response to MichiganVote (Reply #38)

Tue Apr 2, 2013, 08:10 PM

44. Really?

That's your argument?

"How do you know that gun free zones haven't stopped anyone?"

For the sake of discussion, lets assume its possible they have. How have they stopped them? And, have they stopped enough of them? List the ones that weren't stopped. VT. Columbine. Sandy hook. The theater shooting in CO. And how many more? I would bet that in 90 plus percent of all of them, present was a gun free zone law, and ignored it was, just like the law against murder was. It stands to reason that if someone is willing to commit mass murder, that its easily presumed accurately, that this individual will ignore any magazine laws, just like he or she is going to ignore murder laws.

"You really can't know that limiting magazine size has no bearing on the seconds it takes to kill another person and you have no way of proving that. So again, no evidence."

Sure I can. Limiting magazine size only applies to someone who intends to follow that law. Someone who intends to break the law against murdering people, isn't going to suddenly have a change of heart because he or she might break a law having to do with possession of magazines above a certain capacity.

"As such, balancing the potential deaths of children or others in community settings versus the play needs of grown adults, however legal they are, will not wash. Gonna have to steal and election on this one partner. No one in their right mind is going to support your line of thinking."

So long as it is framed as "potential deaths of children or others in community settings versus the play needs of grown adults, however legal they are", nothing is going to change. The next mass shooter will break magazine laws, murder laws, and maybe even prohibited person laws, the usual suspects will blame the guns and people that support the right to own them. Then they'll propose more gun control laws that mass murdering rampager types will ignore, just like they always have. I was around when "gun free school zones" were enacted into law, and many a time pointed out to the anti-gun types, that they would just be ignored by those with bad intent. I was right. And evidence or not, I'm right about this too.

If you want real results, secure the schools. Everything else is off target, ineffective, and counterproductive.

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