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67. Well it depends which "collapse" you're talking about

Reply to cthulu2016 (Original post)

Thu Mar 28, 2013, 09:14 AM

Mar 2013

The crisis of the third century? The end of the Tetrarchy? The sacking of Rome? Each of those is 200 years or so from the others. That's roughly how long our country has been around.

If you were to put us on Rome's timeline, 1783 would correspond to 509 BC (independence from the monarchy). So 230 years later would be 270 BC. This was the year of the consulship of Clepsina and Blasio, and by this point Rome was just bringing the Italian peninsula under her sway. This was the year Hamilcar Barca (father of Hannibal) was born. So look out for children of people born this year; don't let them have elephants.

The entire Mediterranean was still Greek; from Syracuse in Sicily around to Alexandria in Egypt Latin wasn't even known yet, and Greek was what would get you everywhere.

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"We are doing what the Roman Empire did right before it Collapsed" [View all] cthulu2016 Mar 2013 OP

THANKS for the history lesson, cthulu! elleng Mar 2013 #1

Dividing Gaul in three parts? Richardo Mar 2013 #2

Galia est divisa in partes tres... leftieNanner Mar 2013 #92

The Romans had the right idea, but they didn't have the will to fully implement the plan slackmaster Mar 2013 #3

Off topic, dgibby Mar 2013 #82

Should that not be Theodosius? Trajan Mar 2013 #4

Considering their anachronistic reasoning, it might as well be... JHB Mar 2013 #5

You are correct. Don't know where that even came from. cthulu2016 Mar 2013 #10

Roman's had no problem with gays, or with young boys either lunatica Mar 2013 #6

Wasn't homosexualality actually encouraged in Rome? Or was it Greece? Initech Mar 2013 #7

Alexander the Great was gay and it was totally accepted in Greece and Rome lunatica Mar 2013 #8

I remember hearing/reading about a boy/young man being distraught that Socrates would not have him Ed Suspicious Mar 2013 #28

Man/boy??? onpatrol98 Mar 2013 #105

Greece encouraged homosexuality; Rome did not condemn homosexuality, BUT... Moonwalk Mar 2013 #38

They said of Julius Caesar-- eridani Mar 2013 #49

eridani Diclotican Mar 2013 #80

Actually he was an "Impertor", which was what a successful General was called in the Republic happyslug Mar 2013 #112

happyslug Diclotican Mar 2013 #115

well, he wasn't the emperor, he was the dictator, and being every man's "wife...." Moonwalk Mar 2013 #96

Nero's last "wife" Janecita Mar 2013 #39

It's difficult to translate the modern concepts of sexuality to the ancient world Recursion Mar 2013 #68

For those who enjoy this history Trajan Mar 2013 #9

I hate all these dumb people on DU WilliamPitt Mar 2013 #11

I thought the decline and demise of the empire was the topic. xtraxritical Mar 2013 #90

There are many who claim the "Dark Ages" was part of the plan to purge Paganism. Spitfire of ATJ Mar 2013 #93

Plan? Whose plan? Why for? xtraxritical Mar 2013 #100

Do you honestly believe the wealthy went away just because religion changed? Spitfire of ATJ Mar 2013 #101

Hell no, the empire declined because they outstripped their most basic resource, wood. That's what xtraxritical Mar 2013 #110

The same. But I consider this tidbit... Spitfire of ATJ Mar 2013 #111

Ooooh, storing this one away in my quiver Duer 157099 Mar 2013 #12

It is a well known historical fact that teh gays made the Roman Empire fabulous before they Guy Whitey Corngood Mar 2013 #13

That is a beautifully written response to a deplorably stupid assertion 1-Old-Man Mar 2013 #14

"I have a vewy gweat fwiend in Wome named Biggus Dickus" edbermac Mar 2013 #15

LOL. I thought they saved the Empire from clashing togas/tunics Faygo Kid Mar 2013 #26

It's been years since I've seen that. Le Taz Hot Mar 2013 #76

Enthusiastic K&R. David Zephyr Mar 2013 #16

Or "Rome and Greece fell when they turned from Gods" hatrack Mar 2013 #61

K&R idwiyo Mar 2013 #17

Kick. Agschmid Mar 2013 #18

While I was channel surfing I stopped on Fox for 30 seconds and the topic was-oh yeah Boomerproud Mar 2013 #19

I'd never been particularly interested in that era... Blanks Mar 2013 #20

Good point! defacto7 Mar 2013 #22

Did the barbarians tear down the water supply? hunter Mar 2013 #44

Both, the Gothic war of 535-553 were one of the longest, most expensive wars in the history of Rome happyslug Mar 2013 #50

Thanks - great history lesson NewJeffCT Mar 2013 #95

They broke the aqueducts, reducing the supply of fresh water to the city. tclambert Mar 2013 #58

Actually the movement to Revanna was in the 400s, the Aqueducts were NOT breeched till 536 happyslug Mar 2013 #109

I had the timing wrong. Thanks. tclambert Mar 2013 #113

The way they told it in the documentary... Blanks Mar 2013 #97

need more details on the "paradise for homosexuals" please Skittles Mar 2013 #21

There used to be a poster here who thought EVERYTHING was analogous to the "fall of the Republic" alcibiades_mystery Mar 2013 #23

Oh yeah, I remember him. Was he banned? closeupready Mar 2013 #46

You cannot fix stupid. Rex Mar 2013 #24

Actually it was constant wars that brought down the Roman empire. Crowman1979 Mar 2013 #25

Rome's decline and fall is still under both detailed scrutiny and debate. LanternWaste Mar 2013 #42

Thanks for the history lesson BrotherIvan Mar 2013 #48

do not forget the 1% angry citizen Mar 2013 #53

I heard there are something like 200 theories for the decline and fall of Rome. tclambert Mar 2013 #55

I prefer to think the empire didn't die... bobclark86 Mar 2013 #73

Was never just one thing. Rex Mar 2013 #103

same thing during hitlor rise 2Design Mar 2013 #27

Christianity killed the Roman Empire. That, and lead in the pipes. Warren DeMontague Mar 2013 #29

But...But...But, please tell me that Nero at least played his fiddle while the fire burned Tyrs WolfDaemon Mar 2013 #30

The violin was invented after 1500 AD... but sure. Why not? cthulu2016 Mar 2013 #31

Ok, I feel better now, thanks. Tyrs WolfDaemon Mar 2013 #32

He didn't, that is a myth:-( Janecita Mar 2013 #41

It was a guitar tclambert Mar 2013 #56

It was a lyre, and probably not Recursion Mar 2013 #69

Et tu, Bruce? Gregorian Mar 2013 #33

a few gays infected a good part of the (Roman) people," AlbertCat Mar 2013 #34

No no no. Ruby slippers, like Pope Benedict. Hekate Mar 2013 #51

KR&B...thanks! n/t ms liberty Mar 2013 #35

So,...the gays won and created the Vatican? Spitfire of ATJ Mar 2013 #36

de Mattei sounds like the Michele Bachmann of Italy Enrique Mar 2013 #37

The Italians are still mad at Hannibal Janecita Mar 2013 #40

What else did they do right, before they collapsed? ChairmanAgnostic Mar 2013 #43

Whate have the Romans ever done for us? hatrack Mar 2013 #63

LOL! ChairmanAgnostic Mar 2013 #72

Funny how these Xtian homophobes deplore Rome closeupready Mar 2013 #45

The level of cognitive dissonance required really is staggering. nomorenomore08 Mar 2013 #54

And the fact that "Empire" fell cbrer Mar 2013 #47

Well...we are following them in a few ways davidn3600 Mar 2013 #52

Now see....THAT is the REAL problem... BrainDrain Mar 2013 #57

........... trusty elf Mar 2013 #59

Love it! Demeter Mar 2013 #60

Rome collapsed because of it's greedy emperialism Puzzledtraveller Mar 2013 #62

That is facil and ahistoric. AngryAmish Mar 2013 #66

The fall of Rome; greiner3 Mar 2013 #64

Roman Empire fell in 1453 - AngryAmish Mar 2013 #65

AngryAmish Diclotican Mar 2013 #84

Diclotican: AngryAmish Mar 2013 #87

AngryAmish Diclotican Mar 2013 #88

But it tripped in 1301. ChairmanAgnostic Mar 2013 #120

Well it depends which "collapse" you're talking about Recursion Mar 2013 #67

It should be no shock... blackspade Mar 2013 #70

k&r nt steve2470 Mar 2013 #71

Best post ever. +1 this religious studies undergrad luvs you cecilfirefox Mar 2013 #74

Many scientists think we didn't even have full consciousness until 2000 years ago or so. randome Mar 2013 #75

Read: The Rise amd Fall of the Greatest Powers by Paul Kennedy. We are on the way. jwirr Mar 2013 #77

Every great empire that rises up will come down. I remember back in 1966 when my English southernyankeebelle Mar 2013 #78

Yep, thanking you for the history lesson as well Xyzse Mar 2013 #79

so maybe the real things that brought down Rome are happening today here klyon Mar 2013 #81

Dear God, save us from your followers. ZRT2209 Mar 2013 #83

"We are doing what the Roman Empire did right before it Collapsed" The CCC Mar 2013 #85

Another reason I've seen mooted... malthaussen Mar 2013 #86

This just proves that historians have edited the dates. Ian_rd Mar 2013 #89

The Heart of the Matter Anonymousecoview Mar 2013 #91

Holy geez! RoccoRyg Mar 2013 #94

This de Mattei fellow needs to chill.... markbark Mar 2013 #98

Yes. randome Mar 2013 #106

literally split it in half and Byzantinize the good half? MisterP Mar 2013 #99

Math and history challenged asshats...knr...thanks. joeybee12 Mar 2013 #102

happened to the spanish empire as well. we don't PRODUCE anymore. we just push money around. pansypoo53219 Mar 2013 #104

If I remember my history right Pakid Mar 2013 #107

Before the Roman Empire collapsed the Dow Jones reached record highs? grantcart Mar 2013 #108

"Rise And Fall of the Roman Empire" Suggests the same thing AnnieBW Mar 2013 #114

Rome lasted longer after Caligula caseymoz Mar 2013 #116

I would think area51 Mar 2013 #117

I don't think it was The Gay or The Christian King_Klonopin Mar 2013 #118

Best line... Javaman Mar 2013 #119