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AngryAmish

(25,704 posts)
66. That is facil and ahistoric.
Thu Mar 28, 2013, 09:12 AM
Mar 2013

First we must agree on terms: are we talking about the sack of Rome in 410 or the Eastern Roman Empire.

Sack of Rome was caused by .... there is a bunch of things. Some people lay the blame at the Marian Reforms. Yes, even the Marian Reforms. I just think it fell because of the Huns, who started pushing everyone west. The proximate cause was pissing off the Visagoths - but there were larger forces at work.

THANKS for the history lesson, cthulu! elleng Mar 2013 #1
Dividing Gaul in three parts? Richardo Mar 2013 #2
Galia est divisa in partes tres... leftieNanner Mar 2013 #92
The Romans had the right idea, but they didn't have the will to fully implement the plan slackmaster Mar 2013 #3
Off topic, dgibby Mar 2013 #82
Should that not be Theodosius? Trajan Mar 2013 #4
Considering their anachronistic reasoning, it might as well be... JHB Mar 2013 #5
You are correct. Don't know where that even came from. cthulu2016 Mar 2013 #10
Roman's had no problem with gays, or with young boys either lunatica Mar 2013 #6
Wasn't homosexualality actually encouraged in Rome? Or was it Greece? Initech Mar 2013 #7
Alexander the Great was gay and it was totally accepted in Greece and Rome lunatica Mar 2013 #8
I remember hearing/reading about a boy/young man being distraught that Socrates would not have him Ed Suspicious Mar 2013 #28
Man/boy??? onpatrol98 Mar 2013 #105
Greece encouraged homosexuality; Rome did not condemn homosexuality, BUT... Moonwalk Mar 2013 #38
They said of Julius Caesar-- eridani Mar 2013 #49
eridani Diclotican Mar 2013 #80
Actually he was an "Impertor", which was what a successful General was called in the Republic happyslug Mar 2013 #112
happyslug Diclotican Mar 2013 #115
well, he wasn't the emperor, he was the dictator, and being every man's "wife...." Moonwalk Mar 2013 #96
Nero's last "wife" Janecita Mar 2013 #39
It's difficult to translate the modern concepts of sexuality to the ancient world Recursion Mar 2013 #68
For those who enjoy this history Trajan Mar 2013 #9
I hate all these dumb people on DU WilliamPitt Mar 2013 #11
I thought the decline and demise of the empire was the topic. xtraxritical Mar 2013 #90
There are many who claim the "Dark Ages" was part of the plan to purge Paganism. Spitfire of ATJ Mar 2013 #93
Plan? Whose plan? Why for? xtraxritical Mar 2013 #100
Do you honestly believe the wealthy went away just because religion changed? Spitfire of ATJ Mar 2013 #101
Hell no, the empire declined because they outstripped their most basic resource, wood. That's what xtraxritical Mar 2013 #110
The same. But I consider this tidbit... Spitfire of ATJ Mar 2013 #111
Ooooh, storing this one away in my quiver Duer 157099 Mar 2013 #12
It is a well known historical fact that teh gays made the Roman Empire fabulous before they Guy Whitey Corngood Mar 2013 #13
That is a beautifully written response to a deplorably stupid assertion 1-Old-Man Mar 2013 #14
"I have a vewy gweat fwiend in Wome named Biggus Dickus" edbermac Mar 2013 #15
LOL. I thought they saved the Empire from clashing togas/tunics Faygo Kid Mar 2013 #26
It's been years since I've seen that. Le Taz Hot Mar 2013 #76
Enthusiastic K&R. David Zephyr Mar 2013 #16
Or "Rome and Greece fell when they turned from Gods" hatrack Mar 2013 #61
K&R idwiyo Mar 2013 #17
Kick. Agschmid Mar 2013 #18
While I was channel surfing I stopped on Fox for 30 seconds and the topic was-oh yeah Boomerproud Mar 2013 #19
I'd never been particularly interested in that era... Blanks Mar 2013 #20
Good point! defacto7 Mar 2013 #22
Did the barbarians tear down the water supply? hunter Mar 2013 #44
Both, the Gothic war of 535-553 were one of the longest, most expensive wars in the history of Rome happyslug Mar 2013 #50
Thanks - great history lesson NewJeffCT Mar 2013 #95
They broke the aqueducts, reducing the supply of fresh water to the city. tclambert Mar 2013 #58
Actually the movement to Revanna was in the 400s, the Aqueducts were NOT breeched till 536 happyslug Mar 2013 #109
I had the timing wrong. Thanks. tclambert Mar 2013 #113
The way they told it in the documentary... Blanks Mar 2013 #97
need more details on the "paradise for homosexuals" please Skittles Mar 2013 #21
There used to be a poster here who thought EVERYTHING was analogous to the "fall of the Republic" alcibiades_mystery Mar 2013 #23
Oh yeah, I remember him. Was he banned? closeupready Mar 2013 #46
You cannot fix stupid. Rex Mar 2013 #24
Actually it was constant wars that brought down the Roman empire. Crowman1979 Mar 2013 #25
Rome's decline and fall is still under both detailed scrutiny and debate. LanternWaste Mar 2013 #42
Thanks for the history lesson BrotherIvan Mar 2013 #48
do not forget the 1% angry citizen Mar 2013 #53
I heard there are something like 200 theories for the decline and fall of Rome. tclambert Mar 2013 #55
I prefer to think the empire didn't die... bobclark86 Mar 2013 #73
Was never just one thing. Rex Mar 2013 #103
same thing during hitlor rise 2Design Mar 2013 #27
Christianity killed the Roman Empire. That, and lead in the pipes. Warren DeMontague Mar 2013 #29
But...But...But, please tell me that Nero at least played his fiddle while the fire burned Tyrs WolfDaemon Mar 2013 #30
The violin was invented after 1500 AD... but sure. Why not? cthulu2016 Mar 2013 #31
Ok, I feel better now, thanks. Tyrs WolfDaemon Mar 2013 #32
He didn't, that is a myth:-( Janecita Mar 2013 #41
It was a guitar tclambert Mar 2013 #56
It was a lyre, and probably not Recursion Mar 2013 #69
Et tu, Bruce? Gregorian Mar 2013 #33
a few gays infected a good part of the (Roman) people," AlbertCat Mar 2013 #34
No no no. Ruby slippers, like Pope Benedict. Hekate Mar 2013 #51
KR&B...thanks! n/t ms liberty Mar 2013 #35
So,...the gays won and created the Vatican? Spitfire of ATJ Mar 2013 #36
de Mattei sounds like the Michele Bachmann of Italy Enrique Mar 2013 #37
The Italians are still mad at Hannibal Janecita Mar 2013 #40
What else did they do right, before they collapsed? ChairmanAgnostic Mar 2013 #43
Whate have the Romans ever done for us? hatrack Mar 2013 #63
LOL! ChairmanAgnostic Mar 2013 #72
Funny how these Xtian homophobes deplore Rome closeupready Mar 2013 #45
The level of cognitive dissonance required really is staggering. nomorenomore08 Mar 2013 #54
And the fact that "Empire" fell cbrer Mar 2013 #47
Well...we are following them in a few ways davidn3600 Mar 2013 #52
Now see....THAT is the REAL problem... BrainDrain Mar 2013 #57
........... trusty elf Mar 2013 #59
Love it! Demeter Mar 2013 #60
Rome collapsed because of it's greedy emperialism Puzzledtraveller Mar 2013 #62
That is facil and ahistoric. AngryAmish Mar 2013 #66
The fall of Rome; greiner3 Mar 2013 #64
Roman Empire fell in 1453 - AngryAmish Mar 2013 #65
AngryAmish Diclotican Mar 2013 #84
Diclotican: AngryAmish Mar 2013 #87
AngryAmish Diclotican Mar 2013 #88
But it tripped in 1301. ChairmanAgnostic Mar 2013 #120
Well it depends which "collapse" you're talking about Recursion Mar 2013 #67
It should be no shock... blackspade Mar 2013 #70
k&r nt steve2470 Mar 2013 #71
Best post ever. +1 this religious studies undergrad luvs you cecilfirefox Mar 2013 #74
Many scientists think we didn't even have full consciousness until 2000 years ago or so. randome Mar 2013 #75
Read: The Rise amd Fall of the Greatest Powers by Paul Kennedy. We are on the way. jwirr Mar 2013 #77
Every great empire that rises up will come down. I remember back in 1966 when my English southernyankeebelle Mar 2013 #78
Yep, thanking you for the history lesson as well Xyzse Mar 2013 #79
so maybe the real things that brought down Rome are happening today here klyon Mar 2013 #81
Dear God, save us from your followers. ZRT2209 Mar 2013 #83
"We are doing what the Roman Empire did right before it Collapsed" The CCC Mar 2013 #85
Another reason I've seen mooted... malthaussen Mar 2013 #86
This just proves that historians have edited the dates. Ian_rd Mar 2013 #89
The Heart of the Matter Anonymousecoview Mar 2013 #91
Holy geez! RoccoRyg Mar 2013 #94
This de Mattei fellow needs to chill.... markbark Mar 2013 #98
Yes. randome Mar 2013 #106
literally split it in half and Byzantinize the good half? MisterP Mar 2013 #99
Math and history challenged asshats...knr...thanks. joeybee12 Mar 2013 #102
happened to the spanish empire as well. we don't PRODUCE anymore. we just push money around. pansypoo53219 Mar 2013 #104
If I remember my history right Pakid Mar 2013 #107
Before the Roman Empire collapsed the Dow Jones reached record highs? grantcart Mar 2013 #108
"Rise And Fall of the Roman Empire" Suggests the same thing AnnieBW Mar 2013 #114
Rome lasted longer after Caligula caseymoz Mar 2013 #116
I would think area51 Mar 2013 #117
I don't think it was The Gay or The Christian King_Klonopin Mar 2013 #118
Best line... Javaman Mar 2013 #119
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