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Let's get one thing straight from the get-go: What the MSM calls "The Left" is the middle. NYC_SKP Mar 2013 #1
The left has left for other parties such as the Green Party liberal_at_heart Mar 2013 #2
We have the internet forums, bloggers. That's about it. You're right. madfloridian Mar 2013 #6
what they call the 'far left' is the middle. what they call the left is the center- HiPointDem Mar 2013 #7
Agree! ananda Mar 2013 #71
+1 It is the American People, the 99 percent, who have been sold out. woo me with science Mar 2013 #77
The real left that remains on the radio has also been kicked under the bus Cleita Mar 2013 #104
Actually, the marginalization of the left began much earlier. PDJane Mar 2013 #3
Yes, much earlier. And now the Third Way takes over for the DLC... madfloridian Mar 2013 #4
This is seriously ProSense Mar 2013 #58
In 2004 they delivered a slap in the face to huge numbers of caring people. madfloridian Mar 2013 #65
I'm saying ProSense Mar 2013 #67
As Molly Ivins said he was a "fighting centrist". Not one who shut out a whole part of the party. madfloridian Mar 2013 #70
A centrist is still a centrist. ProSense Mar 2013 #73
PS. Don't take on MF. Jakes Progress Mar 2013 #97
Did you ProSense Mar 2013 #101
I Jakes Progress Mar 2013 #110
Here's ProSense Mar 2013 #112
Again and as ever. Jakes Progress Mar 2013 #155
LOL! ProSense Mar 2013 #160
"stop assigning them more power than they have" I'd like to suggest part of how that mistake is patrice Mar 2013 #182
Snicker Jakes Progress Mar 2013 #186
LOL! ProSense Mar 2013 #192
Whirl Jakes Progress Mar 2013 #222
The marginilization continues with this poster. Fuddnik Mar 2013 #136
Please, get over yourself. n/t ProSense Mar 2013 #140
Pot meet kettle. Jakes Progress Mar 2013 #154
You know ProSense Mar 2013 #156
Sure Jakes Progress Mar 2013 #158
Look ProSense Mar 2013 #161
Est Jakes Progress Mar 2013 #189
This ^^^^! MoclipsHumptulips Mar 2013 #218
During the buildup to the IWar, the centrist couldnt wait to kiss Bush's behind. rhett o rick Mar 2013 #209
Dean should have been given a great deal more recognition by the Obama JDPriestly Mar 2013 #125
Excellent post. madfloridian Mar 2013 #127
My point is ProSense Mar 2013 #129
Are there Jakes Progress Mar 2013 #190
May I ProSense Mar 2013 #193
You might Jakes Progress Mar 2013 #223
President Obama has done a lot of little things, some of which you list, JDPriestly Mar 2013 #196
I think the oligarch overlords have politics right where they want it. We have a wacko right wing rhett o rick Mar 2013 #221
"If liberal Democrats stood up and fought hard, the Party could be made to move left. Playing the rhett o rick Mar 2013 #103
No, that's ProSense Mar 2013 #105
So true! JDPriestly Mar 2013 #197
I don't subscribe to the substitution of centrist for moderate. TheKentuckian Mar 2013 #114
Centrist is a conservative that's ashamed to admit it. rhett o rick Mar 2013 #208
Fuckin A TheKentuckian Mar 2013 #220
simply, you've been anti Dem since Dean flamed out (though it wasn't his fault, it was the media). dionysus Mar 2013 #128
That is such a unbelievable thing for you to say. madfloridian Mar 2013 #131
but Carter himself was a southern conservadem hfojvt Mar 2013 #21
Cheers! Vinnie From Indy Mar 2013 #53
Truth about the shellackings of leftish Presidential candidates........ socialist_n_TN Mar 2013 #163
You are correct: The Powell Manifesto set out the entire plan. Nixon's appointee to loudsue Mar 2013 #83
Kennedy was not at all on the left, but the marginalization started JDPriestly Mar 2013 #122
Excellent post dreamnightwind Mar 2013 #144
The concept of World Peace is now "Far Left" in Washington.... Spitfire of ATJ Mar 2013 #5
Very true. madfloridian Mar 2013 #8
Look what Bush did to "No Child Left Behind".... Spitfire of ATJ Mar 2013 #81
Race To The Top=No Child Left Behind liberal_at_heart Mar 2013 #87
How about we try something new? Spitfire of ATJ Mar 2013 #92
I'm on board with that. liberal_at_heart Mar 2013 #94
And "Dying of Old Age If You're Not Rich". Ken Burch Mar 2013 #9
Everyone, and I mean everyone, needs to read this important post ReRe Mar 2013 #10
Thanks, they deliberately set out to ignore the left. Planned it. madfloridian Mar 2013 #16
They wanted "one party rule" I guess... ReRe Mar 2013 #19
The media have been co-opted and hay rick Mar 2013 #11
Don't forget the "think tanks" and the Federalist Society. They've gone about a very successful SleeplessinSoCal Mar 2013 #22
Geithner is not submissive to Wall Street markiv Mar 2013 #106
K&R nt Zorra Mar 2013 #12
The Progressive/"Left" in today's DEM Party? DOA. blkmusclmachine Mar 2013 #13
They take the left for granted in an attempt to be appealling HereSince1628 Mar 2013 #47
K&R. Our representation has been sold. nt woo me with science Mar 2013 #14
+100000 bbgrunt Mar 2013 #15
K&R n/t DeSwiss Mar 2013 #17
I've got a wee bit of hope owing to the very dedicated base of Occupy Wall Street SleeplessinSoCal Mar 2013 #18
only a couple weeks ago I heard one of the Sunday morning infotainment Douglas Carpenter Mar 2013 #20
Yeah those pesky Trotskyites...... socialist_n_TN Mar 2013 #62
I like your screen name. I may have to change mine to include socialist. liberal_at_heart Mar 2013 #93
Feel free..... socialist_n_TN Mar 2013 #165
Socialist Isn't a Bad Word. Left Turn Only Mar 2013 #118
"The fact that so many on the left cringe at their own roots...... socialist_n_TN Mar 2013 #168
it's not going to happen - The Leninist total - collectivist model Douglas Carpenter Mar 2013 #134
Socialism does not = "The Leninist total - collectivist model" bread_and_roses Mar 2013 #148
I know that - but the Trotskyist model does Douglas Carpenter Mar 2013 #152
The Leninist model is the only one that has been proven to actually..... socialist_n_TN Mar 2013 #159
yes the Leninist model is the only model that has actually taken capitalism down and was able to Douglas Carpenter Mar 2013 #172
I've heard "far left" in the MSM over and over LeftInTX Mar 2013 #164
I think the true American Left was tied to Unions and economic issues, now they mostly represent whathehell Mar 2013 #23
we've given into the lie that we have to focus on one or the other. liberal_at_heart Mar 2013 #26
I don't recall anyone promoting that dichotomy, and it's definitely a wrongheaded idea, whathehell Mar 2013 #41
Guess what? Those like Elizabeth Warren, who voted for Ronald Reagan & 41 killed the unions graham4anything Mar 2013 #30
Guess what?...I was a living, breathing, thinking adult during that time and no one I knew whathehell Mar 2013 #40
Hillary campaigned for Goldwater. hay rick Mar 2013 #43
Yes, and as I understand it, she was quite liberal in college but that's changed. whathehell Mar 2013 #49
"mostly redeemed herself" former9thward Mar 2013 #80
Any discussion of the 1980 election that does not include the words "hostage crisis" and... JHB Mar 2013 #51
^^^^! Once we had leaders & a platform which backed... Eleanors38 Mar 2013 #91
Yes...In fact it was not long ago at all that BOTH parties called Social Security "The 3rd Rail"... whathehell Mar 2013 #215
I'm afraid we have 2 choices: Party takeover or 3rd party. Eleanors38 Mar 2013 #217
Yes, I think you're right. I'm a member of Progressive Democrats of America whathehell Mar 2013 #219
Yep MFrohike Mar 2013 #153
Yes, absolutely. whathehell Mar 2013 #213
Local TV station/website calls *anything* not Teabilly/Koch ProfessionalLeftist Mar 2013 #24
yup, you know its bad when some so called Democrats are sounding like quinnox Mar 2013 #25
K & R Le Taz Hot Mar 2013 #27
It's called hindsight. graham4anything Mar 2013 #28
I will vote for whom I think will best "represent" me liberal_at_heart Mar 2013 #29
Like Elizabeth Warren who voted for Reagan and Bush41. graham4anything Mar 2013 #31
If it is liberal democrats' fault for social justice issues losses, who's fault is it that we have liberal_at_heart Mar 2013 #33
You lost me at 1%. and YOUR last line says it all. graham4anything Mar 2013 #34
you better believe actions have consequences and just as you blame me for social issue losses I liberal_at_heart Mar 2013 #35
It's MY right to continue it. graham4anything Mar 2013 #37
It's also my right to put you on ignore. liberal_at_heart Mar 2013 #38
JFK so truely said "Ask NOT what your country can do for you, ask what YOU can do" graham4anything Mar 2013 #39
"10% of something is a helleva lot better than 100% of nothing. " rhett o rick Mar 2013 #113
It's just the usual "not as bad" bullshit worded differently. Tierra_y_Libertad Mar 2013 #115
So, did you complain when RFK spied on Dr. King? graham4anything Mar 2013 #116
Sorry, I am not going to bite. nm rhett o rick Mar 2013 #123
"You lost me at 1%" - Please explain that. HughBeaumont Mar 2013 #214
Liberals could make that demand of centrists if Liberals/the Left could SUCCEED. They don't succeed patrice Mar 2013 #198
There was no "mass exodus" in 1968 Lydia Leftcoast Mar 2013 #126
I remember too. & If HHH had won, Nixon wouldn't have split Labor & choked all of the poorer unions patrice Mar 2013 #199
+1! patrice Mar 2013 #201
A lot of us in my generation remember how the unions were largely pro-Vietnam war Fumesucker Mar 2013 #32
The Serenity Canard again always holds true, corny as it is graham4anything Mar 2013 #36
Does the current Democratic Party completely embody your ideals? hay rick Mar 2013 #63
Considering my age and where I live the likelihood of me ever being in a union is nil Fumesucker Mar 2013 #95
This union member was right here in '03, LWolf Mar 2013 #66
I think he said pretty clearly that the unions were for the Vietnam war.... socialist_n_TN Mar 2013 #72
. LWolf Mar 2013 #138
Yeah, my apologies. I posted focusing on the Vietnam part..... socialist_n_TN Mar 2013 #162
Accepted. LWolf Mar 2013 #211
yep spot on. Phillip McCleod Mar 2013 #78
That could just be Atlantic Highlands tabbycat31 Mar 2013 #86
i don't know how things are now.. Phillip McCleod Mar 2013 #90
du rec. nt xchrom Mar 2013 #42
The Democratic party will continue to swing to the right as long as the left lets them, MadHound Mar 2013 #44
I agree. hay rick Mar 2013 #50
It is quite sad for the left to play the victim like this treestar Mar 2013 #45
It's sad to engage in a personal attack nadinbrzezinski Mar 2013 #56
They are the victim. The people quoted in the OP made them victims. Deliberately. madfloridian Mar 2013 #59
That victimization thing... Eleanors38 Mar 2013 #96
+1 THAT's what keeps what calls itself "the Left" marginalized & hence from becoming what would patrice Mar 2013 #203
When the left fights back by not voting for the centrists the centrists claim 'victimhood". Tierra_y_Libertad Mar 2013 #119
Funny how that works isn't it..... socialist_n_TN Mar 2013 #169
Not voting makes you the ultimate victim treestar Mar 2013 #177
I always vote. Tierra_y_Libertad Mar 2013 #187
That is a great quote by John Quincy Adams liberal_at_heart Mar 2013 #194
Excellent post. 99Forever Mar 2013 #46
K&R The Democratic party now seems like just a branch of the Republican party. forestpath Mar 2013 #48
Understanding the fundamental differences between 'liberal' and 'left' Cal Carpenter Mar 2013 #52
And that leads to the obvious nerd question? nadinbrzezinski Mar 2013 #54
I am talking about the results of policy Cal Carpenter Mar 2013 #57
Forgive me, but social security was a center left policy nadinbrzezinski Mar 2013 #60
Personally... 99Forever Mar 2013 #64
Knowing the definitions isn't just an academic exercise....... socialist_n_TN Mar 2013 #171
I'm not interested in your filibuster. 99Forever Mar 2013 #173
Not sure I understand. madfloridian Mar 2013 #68
Here are things ProSense Mar 2013 #55
K&R Starry Messenger Mar 2013 #61
Tea Party caucus-28, Progressive caucus-70+ randr Mar 2013 #69
If they yell and no one covers it, is there still noise? madfloridian Mar 2013 #74
They would draw coverage (nasty though it might be) if they said NO and TheKentuckian Mar 2013 #120
There's some truth to that dreamnightwind Mar 2013 #150
oh, wow. I have heard of the progressive caucus but had no idea there were 70. liberal_at_heart Mar 2013 #88
They have been trying to communicate about their budget proposal. Petition link in my post #205 patrice Mar 2013 #206
Have you seen the CPC's Budget Proposal? Links here: patrice Mar 2013 #205
Yet, the 3rd Way/DLC types still expect us to vote for their candidates and blame us when they lose. Tierra_y_Libertad Mar 2013 #75
k/r marmar Mar 2013 #76
it's time to start showing up at our local dem party meetings then. Phillip McCleod Mar 2013 #79
K&R Egalitarian Thug Mar 2013 #82
Please ProSense Mar 2013 #84
This message was self-deleted by its author Jakes Progress Mar 2013 #98
The democratic party has left the poor people behind and they embrace corporate southernyankeebelle Mar 2013 #85
HUGE K & R !!! WillyT Mar 2013 #89
Reed: "Our next challenge is to deliver on that promise (to the middle class)" progressoid Mar 2013 #99
This message was self-deleted by its author datasuspect Mar 2013 #100
Alex Cary documented the 'leveraged buy-out' of Mass Media in his History of Propaganda... Octafish Mar 2013 #102
Thanks, octafish. I will be checking that out. madfloridian Mar 2013 #130
Maria Gilardin is TOPS and TUC Radio is an amazing resource, an antidote to MSM... Octafish Mar 2013 #180
You turned me on to TUC Radio/Michael Parenti about a year ago. OnyxCollie Mar 2013 #188
Thank you for the heads-up, OnyxCollie! Octafish Mar 2013 #212
And this history ended BEFORE the Hate Radio era Doctor_J Mar 2013 #149
ABC and the Rise of Rush Limbaugh Octafish Mar 2013 #181
Bingo colsohlibgal Mar 2013 #107
I loved Kucinich. Everyone laughed at him but he was one of the only ones with the courage liberal_at_heart Mar 2013 #108
Henry Wallace would not recognise today's Democratic party markiv Mar 2013 #109
K&R for one of DU's best and brightest. Jakes Progress Mar 2013 #111
The left has always been marginalized in this country... ljm2002 Mar 2013 #117
Very well said. YoungDemCA Mar 2013 #141
They'll never hear us until we make them earn our votes. Tierra_y_Libertad Mar 2013 #121
Democrats know that they do not have to earn our vote...that it's already locked in davidn3600 Mar 2013 #124
I agree. madfloridian Mar 2013 #132
Pres.Obama is the #1 greatest president since LBJ.MOST democratic voters LOVE HIM graham4anything Mar 2013 #151
"Hey, Hey, LBJ! How many kids did you kill today?" Weren't words of love for a "great" president. Tierra_y_Libertad Mar 2013 #166
Eisenhower started the war. Soundbytes sound nice, but are very misguided, dontchathink? graham4anything Mar 2013 #167
And, your "liberal" hero escalated it to the point of killing millions and refused to end it. Tierra_y_Libertad Mar 2013 #170
What a whitewashing of history. LBJ was far to the left of McCarthy & McGovern put together. graham4anything Mar 2013 #175
Oh, right. LBJ was a real peacenik. "Losing was not an option." But, he did lose. Tierra_y_Libertad Mar 2013 #185
1968 showed what happened (prior to 2000) when some 3rd party ruined things. graham4anything Mar 2013 #207
Yep. And the drift to the right Jakes Progress Mar 2013 #157
Really important article. Thanks. n/t zentrum Mar 2013 #133
I wish this wasn't true. Rex Mar 2013 #135
Very well done, thank you for posting on this issue, you missed very little, the Koch connection Dragonfli Mar 2013 #137
Good post. Nothing new to those of us that have lived it stupidicus Mar 2013 #139
What is described here is just the latest installment of purging the left from US politics. limpyhobbler Mar 2013 #142
In my experience, "Centrism" has been used as an excuse... YoungDemCA Mar 2013 #143
K & R from another unprofitable mindset dreamnightwind Mar 2013 #145
K&R idwiyo Mar 2013 #146
Liberal is now an epithet among Dems too Doctor_J Mar 2013 #147
kick and rec. n/t NRaleighLiberal Mar 2013 #174
Kicked and bookmarked LeftInTX Mar 2013 #176
Still they wonder how the RW rose to prominence. Rain Mcloud Mar 2013 #178
I believe the military has been running the country since Truman stood up to mountain grammy Mar 2013 #179
AGREE! That was demonstrated also because Henry Wallace lost the nomination to Truman. patrice Mar 2013 #183
Kick this incredible thread.... defacto7 Mar 2013 #184
Not that Al From cares, but liberals hold him in even more contempt than he holds us Samantha Mar 2013 #191
K&R... Madflordian.... Thank you for your efforts this coming week! midnight Mar 2013 #195
Yep, mine is due the 28th. madfloridian Mar 2013 #202
Reagan was obviously "transformational." moondust Mar 2013 #200
The marginalization of the left is made easy by rigid, zealous ideologues... Generation_Why Mar 2013 #204
This is an excellent post and thread.. mountain grammy Mar 2013 #210
Oh wow did I ever relate to your post. madfloridian Mar 2013 #216
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