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Are Mormons Christian? [View all] Renew Deal Jan 2012 OP
in the same way David Koresh was Christian. FarLeftFist Jan 2012 #1
Was Jesus Christian? Kablooie Jan 2012 #2
If you want to fluster a fundamentalist, ask them that very question. A HERETIC I AM Jan 2012 #6
This belongs in the religous forum. No Jesus wasn't a Christian, he was the son of God. So what lonestarnot Jan 2012 #12
LOL A HERETIC I AM Jan 2012 #17
To each his own and I say that one day your knees will bow, like it or not. So you have fun now. lonestarnot Jan 2012 #22
I love how Christians resort to threats of eternal damnation when their beliefs are challenged. white_wolf Jan 2012 #26
Did I say eternal damnation? No I did not. Now when you get back to politics and save the lonestarnot Jan 2012 #33
Post removed Post removed Feb 2012 #209
Looking for the LIKE button! RetroLounge Feb 2012 #230
I agree. nt TBF Feb 2012 #265
Me too, well worth the read! n/t MarkCharles Feb 2012 #267
Thank you. A HERETIC I AM Jan 2012 #34
not that it is that germaine to the main point of the point but 'heretic' grantcart Feb 2012 #224
Thanks, but trust me, I KNOW the definition of "Heretic" A HERETIC I AM Feb 2012 #231
And that is the most common understanding of the word grantcart Feb 2012 #234
I love how non-Christians seek out attention by posting comments like... joeglow3 Jan 2012 #35
I actually didn't post that. white_wolf Jan 2012 #42
I wrote that as a means to show a personal historical context. A HERETIC I AM Jan 2012 #58
I'm stealing your last quote if you don't mind, as a sig line. Brilliant. nt riderinthestorm Jan 2012 #68
You're welcome to it. I used it on the old DU for years. A HERETIC I AM Jan 2012 #73
Threats of eternal damnation are the most effective tool organized religion has undeterred Jan 2012 #37
I'm pretty sure that pointing that out is a sin Renew Deal Jan 2012 #43
All the fun people will be in hell. undeterred Jan 2012 #56
I didn't read that as damnation, White Wolf.... Ecumenist Jan 2012 #41
Perhaps I misread him then. It is very possible. white_wolf Jan 2012 #45
Oh God, you too? I went to a fundie Christian school in the 70's and saw these types for what Ecumenist Jan 2012 #57
The other poster is referencing a specific Scripture, in Romans 14. The full passage Bluenorthwest Feb 2012 #133
Of course it's a damnation. A HERETIC I AM Feb 2012 #215
I suppose it's all perception. I honestly don't think it was meant as a declaration Ecumenist Feb 2012 #216
Anyone that tells me "Someday your knees will bow" has a very specific idea in mind. A HERETIC I AM Feb 2012 #219
Sorry pal, but no, I won't. A HERETIC I AM Jan 2012 #49
Wow. You wasted a bunch of effort there. Did you have fun? Your opinion of my God is not valuable lonestarnot Jan 2012 #66
Yup. Same opinion. A HERETIC I AM Jan 2012 #71
Not me... Hepburn Jan 2012 #100
If your god actually existed, I'd tell him to fuck himself for demanding people "bow down". Zhade Feb 2012 #120
I kind of get this attitude but treestar Feb 2012 #148
I don't reject mythology because of others' interpretations, but because of the lack of evidence. Zhade Feb 2012 #170
You must really consider the circus Warren DeMontague Feb 2012 #126
holy shit waddirum Feb 2012 #169
Isn't that classic? Warren DeMontague Feb 2012 #172
this video has everything waddirum Feb 2012 #177
This message was self-deleted by its author waddirum Feb 2012 #176
Kneel Before Zod Warren DeMontague Feb 2012 #171
To whom? Mithras? MNBrewer Feb 2012 #173
"one day your knees will bow, like it or not." eShirl Feb 2012 #181
I Had a Friend In School with Bowed Legs we can do it Feb 2012 #187
"I say that one day your knees will bow" - KNEEL BEFORE ZOD! cleanhippie Feb 2012 #195
Pathetic and typical Marrah_G Feb 2012 #237
"Your knees will bow"? What the hell is that supposed to mean? Humanist_Activist Feb 2012 #268
KNEEL BEFORE ZOD!!!! Taverner Feb 2012 #281
I remember studying the subject around 20 years ago. mmonk Jan 2012 #27
"Biblical Scholars" all think "he" existed- big surprise, there. Most objective non-Bible historians Warren DeMontague Feb 2012 #128
Not true ("Biblical Scholars" all think "he" existed), some are athiests. eShirl Feb 2012 #201
I think you misunderstood. Actually, for all I know there may be Biblical Scholars who dispute the Warren DeMontague Feb 2012 #233
You chose your DU name well. Canuckistanian Jan 2012 #50
I learned long ago - like back in 2003 - that discretion was the better part of valor. A HERETIC I AM Jan 2012 #52
he could have been real. doesn't mean he's a diety. at any rate, he was the first documented hippie dionysus Jan 2012 #63
Unfortunately..... A HERETIC I AM Jan 2012 #70
i challenge you to prove he didn't invent the bong. dionysus Jan 2012 #75
He didn't invent it Warren DeMontague Feb 2012 #127
I'm more on your side than not, but the reason the gospels were written decades after Jesus lived deutsey Jan 2012 #105
Next you'll be trying to say that Osiris didn't exist. Or Mithras. Warren DeMontague Feb 2012 #129
One day your knees will bow to Mithras. Arugula Latte Feb 2012 #174
In those days, that wouldn't matter treestar Feb 2012 #149
Jesus existed - he is a person who lived treestar Feb 2012 #147
There is not one iota of actual evidence that he existed. PassingFair Feb 2012 #189
You say that with confidence, as if you had hard evidence to back that up. cleanhippie Feb 2012 #196
BUZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ! Thanks for playing though. Goblinmonger Feb 2012 #197
I thought it was generally known and accepted treestar Feb 2012 #204
Well, you thought wrong Goblinmonger Feb 2012 #206
Again, why does it matter? treestar Feb 2012 #243
Oh, the old "Most critical historian" with no citation Goblinmonger Feb 2012 #251
It is generally accepted. Union Scribe Feb 2012 #222
Bollocks. A HERETIC I AM Feb 2012 #228
Uh huh. Union Scribe Feb 2012 #229
LOL. A HERETIC I AM Feb 2012 #232
Their threatening you doesn't mean Jesus didn't exist treestar Feb 2012 #244
Generally accepted by Christians perhaps. Goblinmonger Feb 2012 #239
The existence of any ancient figure treestar Feb 2012 #245
But we have independent sources Goblinmonger Feb 2012 #250
The physical evidence that Jesus existed CJCRANE Feb 2012 #271
One can decisively reject any notion of Jesus' divinity, but the historical coalition_unwilling Feb 2012 #270
Actually he was a Jew... Marrah_G Feb 2012 #235
Is Jesus Made of Matter? snooper2 Feb 2012 #242
he was the only one ever actually spotted SwampG8r Feb 2012 #113
your comment on the "savior god" myth is rapmanej Feb 2012 #130
Nope. mmonk Jan 2012 #9
Jesus was a Jew. N/t Hepburn Jan 2012 #99
don't know and don't care quinnox Jan 2012 #3
Mormons say they are Christians. provis99 Jan 2012 #4
A Christian is someone who follows the teachings of the Christ SaintPete Jan 2012 #38
But they say they got their teachings from Christ jberryhill Jan 2012 #74
Not "my" Christ, but I get your point SaintPete Jan 2012 #80
I meant the generic "you", not you specifically jberryhill Jan 2012 #81
So you have to believe in the trinity to be a Christian? Goblinmonger Feb 2012 #198
You're incorrect in many of your assumptions. Common Sense Party Feb 2012 #264
that's just the tired old "No True Scotsman" argument. provis99 Jan 2012 #77
Not really. it's just a basic syllogism SaintPete Jan 2012 #78
Mormons are just as much Christan as any other group that claims the title. white_wolf Jan 2012 #79
That makes as much sense as saying that everyone who claims to be a Democrat, IS a Democrat SaintPete Jan 2012 #84
That's a pretty good analogy Orangepeel Feb 2012 #115
Ah, then you'd need to demonstrate that self indentified Christians follow the teachings Bluenorthwest Feb 2012 #135
Haven't you ever argued a point from an objective POV? SaintPete Feb 2012 #150
Are you a Christian? Goblinmonger Feb 2012 #199
Nope SaintPete Feb 2012 #218
*only* follow the teachings of Jesus? Orangepeel Feb 2012 #114
OK, faulty premise. SaintPete Feb 2012 #132
Who made you the Decider? PassingFair Feb 2012 #190
By your logic SaintPete Feb 2012 #192
Blue Dogs AREN'T Democrats? PassingFair Feb 2012 #193
In name only SaintPete Feb 2012 #221
an atheist could follow the teachings of Jesus. provis99 Feb 2012 #210
"by your definition, there are no such things as Christians" SaintPete Feb 2012 #220
Wow. You take the "no true Scotsman" all the way to the altar! PassingFair Feb 2012 #236
the Church clearly defined what Christianity was with the Nicene Creed grantcart Jan 2012 #95
I can take you to some Chruches where the Nicene Creed is not accepted Bluenorthwest Feb 2012 #138
Just because they don't repeat the Nicene Creed doesn't mean that they don't accept the grantcart Feb 2012 #156
Jesus. cliffordu Feb 2012 #161
100% against all forms of gambling? KamaAina Feb 2012 #280
True, but only after a long and often brutal fight... spin Feb 2012 #260
The other sects were wiped out CJCRANE Feb 2012 #272
Magic 8 Ball says: My sources say no. So I guess not. cherokeeprogressive Jan 2012 #5
I find it amusing that a Magic 8 Ball has "sources". Capitalocracy Jan 2012 #28
Are you SURE? PassingFair Feb 2012 #200
Define "christian". nm rhett o rick Jan 2012 #7
Definition of Christian: Someone who considers them self Christian. Kablooie Jan 2012 #103
I would say they are, however... white_wolf Jan 2012 #8
Do they worship the biblical Christ? Ohio Dem Jan 2012 #10
They do. Their interpertation of him is different than other sects, of course. white_wolf Jan 2012 #13
I'm not an expert, but that makes them Christian by definition. Ohio Dem Jan 2012 #29
Do they concider Jesus the savior? nm rhett o rick Feb 2012 #111
Yeah they do. white_wolf Feb 2012 #112
You can say you worship this god or that prophet SaintPete Jan 2012 #40
Yeah, no argument. Ohio Dem Jan 2012 #59
So if I PM you my address, you'll send me all your cash? Goblinmonger Feb 2012 #202
When I convert to Christianity I'll let you know SaintPete Feb 2012 #226
most gods didn't "teach" anything. They simply existed. provis99 Feb 2012 #211
Jesus had teachings SaintPete Feb 2012 #223
Zeus didn't have teachings. provis99 Feb 2012 #254
Lol. You might have had a point, IF I had actually made the argument you say I made SaintPete Feb 2012 #255
Buddha isn't a god, though. white_wolf Feb 2012 #274
To Buddhists, true SaintPete Feb 2012 #275
Good point. I wasn't thinking of the Hindu perspective. white_wolf Feb 2012 #278
Yes. ZombieHorde Jan 2012 #11
They talk out of both sides. They follow that Joseph Smith dude, book of mormon and they lonestarnot Jan 2012 #14
What's your feeling about Mo Udall? onenote Jan 2012 #16
Cult member liberal yes. lonestarnot Jan 2012 #20
What's the difference between a cult and a religion? white_wolf Jan 2012 #18
No, lonestarnot Jan 2012 #44
No one can choose what they actually believe cpwm17 Jan 2012 #85
The public relations department. n/t hughee99 Jan 2012 #97
A few hundred years. Orangepeel Feb 2012 #116
Following Jesus makes people cultists too. Arugula Latte Feb 2012 #249
The full name of the church is "The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints". Nye Bevan Jan 2012 #15
My rule of thumb: Skinner Jan 2012 #19
FYI, Andrew Sullivan posted three blogs with differing opinions on this last October. Links: highplainsdem Jan 2012 #21
The fundamentalists I know do not consider either Catholics or Mormons to be Christian... undeterred Jan 2012 #23
Anyone who claims that a Catholic is not a Christian Nye Bevan Jan 2012 #25
Well, there are a lot of idiots in religious circles. undeterred Jan 2012 #31
Thank you, Nye Bevan. I always get upset when people say things like "I was Catholic, Ecumenist Jan 2012 #48
I'll never understand how the original form of Christianity became regarded as false white_wolf Jan 2012 #61
You're absolutely right. My husband is Catholic, well he's Catholic AND Lutheran...long story Ecumenist Jan 2012 #65
Some would say the 'original form' is found in the Acts of the Apostles long prior to Bluenorthwest Feb 2012 #139
You're right. There are Christians, and then there are "Christians." Poiuyt Jan 2012 #102
There's Fundamentalist Catholics that don't believe that non Catholics are Christian Nikia Jan 2012 #106
well, according to my Sunday School teachers "Christian" means NashvilleLefty Jan 2012 #24
That depends on your definition of the word "Christian" Motown_Johnny Jan 2012 #30
One billion Orthodox, Catholic and Protestant Christians all agree that 'Christian' is defined grantcart Feb 2012 #125
Except for those who do not. Quakers, Jehovah's Witnesses, Unitarians, the Church of Bluenorthwest Feb 2012 #140
Incorrect see # 156 above grantcart Feb 2012 #158
He is actually correct quaker bill Feb 2012 #256
Still incorrect grantcart Feb 2012 #259
A very intellectual response quaker bill Feb 2012 #261
This message was self-deleted by its author grantcart Feb 2012 #258
Most of those one billion have no idea Motown_Johnny Feb 2012 #141
Answered in detail in # 156 grantcart Feb 2012 #160
In fact, they consider themselves Protestants (as such things go) Nevernose Jan 2012 #32
They don't consider themselves Protestants. white_wolf Jan 2012 #39
I said "for all intents and purposes" Nevernose Jan 2012 #46
It probably depends a lot on where you live. white_wolf Jan 2012 #54
I don't think Mormon's consider themselves Protestants at all... metalbot Jan 2012 #108
No these secret underwear wearing folks gopiscrap Jan 2012 #36
What about the silly-hat-wearing Pope? n/t Goblinmonger Feb 2012 #203
I have a friend who is a fundie christian (yeah, you read that right), kestrel91316 Jan 2012 #47
Yes EvolveOrConvolve Jan 2012 #51
The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints MuseRider Jan 2012 #53
That's what I thought. Cleita Jan 2012 #82
It depends on perspective Digit Jan 2012 #55
Digit, this Christian loves you just the way you are.. I'm not God and cannot judge you Ecumenist Jan 2012 #62
I define a religion based on the teachings or worship of Christ rocktivity Jan 2012 #60
Of course he does. PassingFair Jan 2012 #93
Allow people to define themselves... BrentWil Jan 2012 #64
Don't care, really don't care. MadHound Jan 2012 #67
Define Christian Sgent Jan 2012 #69
Most accept that Creed, others do not and some reject all Creeds as idols of a sort. Bluenorthwest Feb 2012 #142
Unitarians Sgent Feb 2012 #166
Very much so. Jack Sprat Jan 2012 #72
Kick Morning Dew Jan 2012 #76
Look the issue is about the definition of God. Jesus plays a minor role in Mormonism just like Islam jwirr Jan 2012 #83
You are wrong. white_wolf Jan 2012 #87
That is what I said it is the definition. I did not say the Mormons defined Jesus as a prophet I jwirr Jan 2012 #88
You just said that "Jesus plays a minor role in Mormonism just like Islam". PassingFair Jan 2012 #94
The just was referring to the phrase "a minor role". jwirr Feb 2012 #183
Muslims consider Christians to be Muslims who have been led astray. provis99 Feb 2012 #212
Not sure what you are talking about but they have every right to say that since their religion does jwirr Feb 2012 #253
If Joe Leiberman can claim to be a Democrat SaintPete Jan 2012 #86
Heck if I know etherealtruth Jan 2012 #89
Are Christians Christian? SomethingFishy Jan 2012 #90
ICK flamingdem Jan 2012 #91
Maybe a few are. Of the roughly one billion humans who claim to be Christians, about 2 hundred Skwid Jan 2012 #92
Mormons do not fit the orthodox definition of Christianity and cannot be considered 'Christians', so grantcart Jan 2012 #96
Those intolerant Church Fathers don't own Christianity any more than Roman Catholics do Nikia Jan 2012 #104
History owns the word grantcart Feb 2012 #123
You are incorrect that the Nicene Creed is the accepted Standard. Many Protestant Bluenorthwest Feb 2012 #146
Most Unitarians don't claim to be Christian. Critters2 Feb 2012 #185
Christ related sect of what? metalbot Feb 2012 #109
Well that would be an argument depending upon your point of view grantcart Feb 2012 #124
Christians mostly are not christian... Hepburn Jan 2012 #98
I've known alot of Mormons, always thought they were Christians. Never asked and don't give a shit. limpyhobbler Jan 2012 #101
No but they use Jesus to sound more mainstream marlakay Jan 2012 #107
I agree. I dated a Mormon in college. Learned a lot. Jesus plays almost no role in Mormonism. Critters2 Feb 2012 #110
My best friend when I was in 6th and 7th grade marlakay Feb 2012 #184
More importantly, the fundies and evangelicals and social cons DON'T think so. Lex Feb 2012 #117
No, never underestimate them, they want President Obama to be gone akbacchus_BC Feb 2012 #119
My voting actions have never been based on what the fundies do. Lex Feb 2012 #121
I never said that you do! akbacchus_BC Feb 2012 #122
To the best of my ability and from reading the Bible, Mormons are Christians akbacchus_BC Feb 2012 #118
No, because they believe in a non-canonical 'revealed' Prophet and non-canonical texts JCMach1 Feb 2012 #131
In practice probably a lot more Christian then the people that say they aren't. Ganja Ninja Feb 2012 #134
Well, this went well. MineralMan Feb 2012 #136
If Mormons believe they need intercession by someone OTHER than Christ Romulox Feb 2012 #137
Mormons don't belelive in the intercession of anyone but Jesus. white_wolf Feb 2012 #143
No. Mormons believe that Joseph Smith's prophecy ALTER the previous covenant. Romulox Feb 2012 #152
No, Mormons beleive Joseph Smith restored the orginal covenant. white_wolf Feb 2012 #154
The "original" covenant was with Adam. Mormons believe the covenant made by Jesus Romulox Feb 2012 #164
You are correct. Common Sense Party Feb 2012 #273
Yes, they believe in Christ treestar Feb 2012 #144
Muslims believe in Christ. nt Romulox Feb 2012 #153
They think he's a prophet, right? treestar Feb 2012 #155
Mormons do not believe that Jesus is god, either. Romulox Feb 2012 #162
Mormons beleive Jesus is a a god. white_wolf Feb 2012 #165
It's a confused theology, imo. Romulox Feb 2012 #168
As opposed to all of the other "non-confused" theologies? PassingFair Feb 2012 #191
They are self-proclaimed Christians and view Jesus as the primary figure, HOWEVER,... HopeHoops Feb 2012 #145
a cult is merely an unpopular sect. provis99 Feb 2012 #213
One could argue that they're a cult as well. HopeHoops Feb 2012 #241
Who cares, really? Yo_Mama Feb 2012 #151
Oh yeah! SaintPete Feb 2012 #157
You read my mind, er, Constitution Yo_Mama Feb 2012 #167
Your comments about Kennedy and Jackson crack me up SaintPete Feb 2012 #178
Well, let's just say Yo_Mama Feb 2012 #180
"Sojourners' Forum on Faith, Values and Poverty." Remember that fiasco? PassingFair Feb 2012 #159
Yes, I do, and I was in fact thinking about it when I responded Yo_Mama Feb 2012 #248
Amen PassingFair Feb 2012 #252
Exactly. Romney's political views are far worse they any religion Jennicut Feb 2012 #246
Yeah - we're trying to elect a President Yo_Mama Feb 2012 #247
Not in the traditional sense, since they'd have to accept concepts like the Trinity. closeupready Feb 2012 #163
Lol. This entire thread is hilarious. Arugula Latte Feb 2012 #175
To each their own SaintPete Feb 2012 #179
Apostate! Heretic! Heathen! PassingFair Feb 2012 #207
No, it points out how absolutely stupid and ridiculous Union Scribe Feb 2012 #227
I'm not Mormon, but I do live in Utah. Mormons do consider themselves to be Christians. n/t helderheid Feb 2012 #182
Exact libodem Feb 2012 #186
The evangelicals, fundies, and teabaggers won't go for it Lex Feb 2012 #188
Did you ever go though the Book of Morman? Pretty wierd stuff in there. Thats what they believe, demosincebirth Feb 2012 #194
Yeah, but the "real" bible isn't full of wierd (sic) stuff. Goblinmonger Feb 2012 #205
Hey! There's nothing "wierd" about Christianity!!1! PassingFair Feb 2012 #208
They want to be accepted as the Chosen People siligut Feb 2012 #257
so where do we put Christian Jews? yes, they exist. provis99 Feb 2012 #214
In the same way that Scientology is a religion. GoneOffShore Feb 2012 #217
Lol. DU theology class is in session. Union Scribe Feb 2012 #225
Apparently a section of the wall crumbled in DU3! PassingFair Feb 2012 #238
DU3 lets you hide threads, you know. Goblinmonger Feb 2012 #240
Interesting thread mick063 Feb 2012 #262
Some are, some aren't--like any Christian religion. Common Sense Party Feb 2012 #263
IBTL Major Hogwash Feb 2012 #266
Mormonism is to Christianity as.... Evasporque Feb 2012 #269
I think you mean the reverse, but I get ya SaintPete Feb 2012 #277
Yes. A Christian is anyone who tries to emulate Christ. Taverner Feb 2012 #276
They define themselves as much. The entirety of the rest of the discussion is about Scotsmen. (nt) Posteritatis Feb 2012 #279
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