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brentspeak

(18,290 posts)
62. Already explained to you numerous times
Tue Mar 19, 2013, 11:40 AM
Mar 2013

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"So show me where Waxman was not a cosponsor...Then show me how the House vote was not even close."


Waxman was the cosponsor of the House bill, but it wasn't the House bill which included the prefunding requirement, it was the Senate bill which did, and that portion of the Senate bill was introduced by Susan Collins (R-ME). And the House bill was passed by a GOP majority voice vote, no recorded individual votes (as already explained to you about 312 times: the GOP held the majority in both House and Senate in 2005/2006.)

- The Senate version was passed by unanimous consent, with no individual votes recorded.

- It hardly matters, because the pre-funding portion was going to be passed anyway by the Republican majorities in both chambers. The Democrats, as the minority party, were fortunate to get postal union collective bargaining rights preserved. The pre-funding mandate was a Republican-authored switch-and-bait in exchange for a) eliminating what would have been a permanent $3 annual payment into an escrow account, and b) transferring USPS responsibility for military retiree benefits to the Treasury. The Democrats were also promised that accumulated overpayments already made (totalling over $75 billion) would be made available to the USPS in the future, thus alleviating any red ink caused by the pre-funding. That turned out to be a total lie, as the GOP has since stymied every Democratic effort to allow USPS to tap into the overpayments.

- Hence, the Democrats (and Republican John McHugh, original co-sponsor of the 2006 House bill) have since tried to have the pre-funding mandate rescinded, but have been prevented by the Republicans:

http://www.opencongress.org/bill/111-h22/show

http://www.apwu.org/news/webart/2011/11-041-hr1351-hr1262-110411.htm

http://www.nalc.org/news/latest/misguided_sept2010.html

Q.E.D.
Ben Franklin is smiling MannyGoldstein Mar 2013 #1
Navy postal clerk here madokie Mar 2013 #2
Me too! MannyGoldstein Mar 2013 #3
Excellent comeback! RC Mar 2013 #8
Awesome. mac56 Mar 2013 #25
Damned if that's not an epic smackdown! 11 Bravo Mar 2013 #39
"The $5 aspirin is to pay for all of the aspirins they give to uninsured deadbeats... MannyGoldstein Mar 2013 #43
+1 HiPointDem Mar 2013 #40
Manny.. sendero Mar 2013 #79
This whole "privatization" crap re: the post office REALLY makes me mad as hell. loudsue Mar 2013 #4
Amazing wyldwolf Mar 2013 #6
Thanks for considering that. loudsue Mar 2013 #9
What's more... wyldwolf Mar 2013 #12
True that. And, see, I hadn't thought of that! loudsue Mar 2013 #15
Don't throw 'em away. "no postage necessary..."gets mailed back to sender if it's from a hated corp. canoeist52 Mar 2013 #14
I do that on a regular basis. loudsue Mar 2013 #16
I'd like to again point out that you can get removed from their mailing lists They_Live Mar 2013 #21
No, you cannot. I have called, written, emailed, loudsue Mar 2013 #23
What? Credit card offers? They_Live Mar 2013 #80
not defending junk mail melm00se Mar 2013 #60
I am aware of that. And while that part makes sense economically, it does not loudsue Mar 2013 #61
Less work to do in the plants, fewer machines needed, Occulus Mar 2013 #78
MONEY mtasselin Mar 2013 #5
The Post Office DOES have competition from UPS and FedEx. RC Mar 2013 #11
The Post Office is truly something for us to be proud of. tecelote Mar 2013 #7
Kickin' this thread for more exposure. loudsue Mar 2013 #10
Without Congress forcing pre-funding of retiree benefits, Buns_of_Fire Mar 2013 #13
+ 1000 They_Live Mar 2013 #18
+1 daleanime Mar 2013 #19
Motley Fool recently did an evaluation of USPS as a business. hay rick Mar 2013 #17
It's the Republican discriminatory pension mandate: Bernardo de La Paz Mar 2013 #20
While it was a bad law, it was also completely bipartisan hack89 Mar 2013 #26
The Democrats thought they were helping the union. The Republicans knew they were stangling govt. nt Bernardo de La Paz Mar 2013 #27
So were the Dems fools, idiots or naive? nt hack89 Mar 2013 #29
Just a ploy to have a Private Equity Firm seize the USPS and plunder the pension fund. nt TheBlackAdder Mar 2013 #30
So the Dems were criminally complicit. I see. nt hack89 Mar 2013 #31
As usual, putting words in other people's mouths. TheBlackAdder Mar 2013 #32
Or perhaps you are completely wrong hack89 Mar 2013 #33
Even thought that's contrary to your Birther mentality, it's not surprising. TheBlackAdder Mar 2013 #34
I am the one rejecting a conspiracy hack89 Mar 2013 #35
Not to 'plunder', no sane person would telegraph that. But a PE privatization, definitely. TheBlackAdder Mar 2013 #38
you're naive. HiPointDem Mar 2013 #41
No - am not naive hack89 Mar 2013 #42
they may be stupid (though i think that's doubtful). the people who fund them are not. and HiPointDem Mar 2013 #45
Well, if it isn't hack89 -- lying about this issue yet again brentspeak Mar 2013 #56
So show me where Waxman was not a cosponsor hack89 Mar 2013 #59
Already explained to you numerous times brentspeak Mar 2013 #62
Here is the appropriate section from the House Bill as it was introduced on 7 Dec 2006 hack89 Mar 2013 #63
Yep, and that is why they want to destroy it. nt bemildred Mar 2013 #22
do any rightwingers use private postal services exclusively Buffalo Bull Mar 2013 #24
K&R Just another scheme to enhance corporate welfare at taxpayer expense. USPS gets no taxpayer Egalitarian Thug Mar 2013 #28
They do get taxpayer money. See next post. former9thward Mar 2013 #37
What HiPointDem said. I am consistently amazed at how many far right-wing distortions and Egalitarian Thug Mar 2013 #46
You said they do not take taxpayer money. They do. former9thward Mar 2013 #47
Just as I suspected, there is no point. You don't understand and don't want to understand. Egalitarian Thug Mar 2013 #50
Your grandmother had good reason to tell this to you. former9thward Mar 2013 #53
The Post Office DOES use taxpayer money. former9thward Mar 2013 #36
bullshit. the 'loss' was created deliberately by congress. HiPointDem Mar 2013 #44
Your link does not show any misinformation on my part. former9thward Mar 2013 #48
the link shows how the 'loss' was created by congress. but you'd have to read the article to HiPointDem Mar 2013 #49
The pension payment has not been paid. former9thward Mar 2013 #51
Postal Service pensions are OVERFUNDED. hay rick Mar 2013 #52
That has NOTHING to do with it. former9thward Mar 2013 #54
You might want to stop letting your dog use the computer. hay rick Mar 2013 #55
His dog probably reads better than he does. n/t brentspeak Mar 2013 #58
The loss was created by everyone on DU. former9thward Mar 2013 #65
as i said, you're a font of disinformation. and not only on this topic. HiPointDem Mar 2013 #67
Looks like I'm going to have to pull up old links on former9thward brentspeak Mar 2013 #57
The funding payment is $5.5 billion a year. former9thward Mar 2013 #64
Reading and reading comprehension are not your friends brentspeak Mar 2013 #69
Not only is math not your friend, it is your enemy. former9thward Mar 2013 #72
There are elementary school children with more brain power than you brentspeak Mar 2013 #73
No they are not. former9thward Mar 2013 #74
There are no gov't agencies or private co's which prepay for unhired future retiree health benefits brentspeak Mar 2013 #75
There was an accounting rule change in 1990 which caused companies to pre fund retiree benefits. former9thward Mar 2013 #76
Hey, Brainstem - I wasn't the OP brentspeak Mar 2013 #77
The pre-funded payments maybe the bulk, but according to Donohoe they still would have lost $3B tammywammy Mar 2013 #66
The pre-funding mandate is the largest, but not the only problem facing the Postal Service. hay rick Mar 2013 #68
K and R senseandsensibility Mar 2013 #70
Morning kick senseandsensibility Mar 2013 #71
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