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32. Downton saw the aristocrats as supporting the peasants, actually

Thu Mar 14, 2013, 08:05 PM

Mar 2013

It's kind of a fair point. Yes, it's absurd that a grown man should have someone else dress him. On the other hand, it's also absurd that a grown man thinks dressing another grown man should be worth room & board.

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Chelsea Clinton Buys A $10.5 Million Apartment On Madison Square Park [View all] Nye Bevan Mar 2013 OP

Snarky comments in 3...2...1... WilliamPitt Mar 2013 #1

Shiny Object! You know what's *much* more important woo me with science Mar 2013 #19

+1 The ruling class couldn't care less about what color jersey they wear. Egalitarian Thug Mar 2013 #130

* ronnie624 Mar 2013 #196

Goldman Sacks sacred now? One_Life_To_Give Mar 2013 #201

Middle Class is disappearing culture ... Bryn Mar 2013 #252

We love our 1 percenters! B2G Mar 2013 #2

Much better than a Donald DoucheTrump property. nt onehandle Mar 2013 #3

She's an only child of two wealthy parents.. Why would she NOT have a great place to live? SoCalDem Mar 2013 #4

The double standard on wealth here is tres amusing B2G Mar 2013 #5

Well, Bless your heart SoCalDem Mar 2013 #9

What double standard? Wait Wut Mar 2013 #18

Apparently some think so. I remember someone criticizing me here for saying we shouldnt hate rich stevenleser Mar 2013 #186

I hear you. nt bluestate10 Mar 2013 #229

There are people on DU that are convinced that all poor people are saints and bluestate10 Mar 2013 #228

This message was self-deleted by its author Raine Mar 2013 #21

I second that emotion. nt Honeycombe8 Mar 2013 #39

Screwing lots of people over is why great wealth exists, whether any individual wealthy person HiPointDem Mar 2013 #140

Agree. nt Edim Mar 2013 #208

It's not only guns, warships and rockets. Wealth is theft. Edim Mar 2013 #209

In essence, without labor money would have no value... Larry Ogg Mar 2013 #211

Really? Hatred of someone solely because they have money? Swamp Lover Mar 2013 #57

i didn't see any hatred expressed. maybe your nick should be 'willfully blind'. HiPointDem Mar 2013 #148

Short answer? Yes to all of your statements. stevenleser Mar 2013 #187

Agreed...more hypocrisy... choie Mar 2013 #65

And what exactly do you mean by that?!? catbyte Mar 2013 #105

Just because I'm not a sycophant choie Mar 2013 #218

A pass on what? leftynyc Mar 2013 #168

This message was self-deleted by its author devilgrrl Mar 2013 #70

Keep Trying! NBachers Mar 2013 #110

we need to fix the systemic problem of income inequality, ZRT2209 Mar 2013 #162

I think you are right 1983law Mar 2013 #217

I'm talking about a rigged tax code and wage theft ZRT2209 Mar 2013 #219

So you are not saying 1983law Mar 2013 #221

I'm saying what I just said. ZRT2209 Mar 2013 #240

Nope. 1983law Mar 2013 #251

What double standard? leftynyc Mar 2013 #167

Oh, baloney. H2O Man Mar 2013 #203

Uh huh. Sure it would B2G Mar 2013 #207

dbl standard regardind nepotism also. russert's kid gets bashed here. little mention of chelsea's hi Liberal_in_LA Mar 2013 #230

Yea but it's close enough to walk to work tech3149 Mar 2013 #6

I am well educated--better than Chelsea Clinton.. pangaia Mar 2013 #104

it doesn't seem like a great place to me hfojvt Mar 2013 #129

Looking forward to a Chelsea Clinton/ John Schlossberg ticket (or vice versa) in 2036 and 2040 graham4anything Mar 2013 #7

Because nothing says "democracy" like inherited titles. nt Bonobo Mar 2013 #54

If money is so bad, why does everyone want some? graham4anything Mar 2013 #68

Dumb question. Bonobo Mar 2013 #71

There are no dumb questions as librarians nation wide like to say graham4anything Mar 2013 #74

"One persons money has no effect on another person having or not having money" Bonobo Mar 2013 #78

What you just said is so ironic. You do realize what you just said, right? graham4anything Mar 2013 #86

Please. Don't stop now. I'm enjoying this. Bonobo Mar 2013 #88

So, you are saying that getting rid of all the rich shall make the world perfect? graham4anything Mar 2013 #90

Dude, YOU are the one that said that the rich grabbing money affects no one else. Bonobo Mar 2013 #93

It's your right not to answer. But as said, there are no dumb questions. graham4anything Mar 2013 #95

I think we're finished. Bonobo Mar 2013 #97

Check mate. graham4anything Mar 2013 #98

Lol..."checkmate" theKed Mar 2013 #108

Oh, I thought he was telling me to "check" my "mate". Bonobo Mar 2013 #128

Uh... you were just spanked. Marr Mar 2013 #225

I got an example OwnedByCats Mar 2013 #178

It's not that we should get rid of wealth. It's that we should get rid of poverty. JDPriestly Mar 2013 #141

Really like how simple your post puts it. NCTraveler Mar 2013 #183

Having no problem with 'wealth' ronnie624 Mar 2013 #205

I completely agree. EVERYONE in our country should have enough to eat and a safe place bluestate10 Mar 2013 #231

"Without all the rich, NOTHING at all would change." Union Scribe Mar 2013 #242

You just agreed with what I said! graham4anything Mar 2013 #243

HOLY shit. Marr Mar 2013 #224

You were expecting something else? Egalitarian Thug Mar 2013 #131

I just think that we should not be cutting people's meager Social Security benefits JDPriestly Mar 2013 #139

Nothing says democracy like being elected in a popular election. NYC Liberal Mar 2013 #135

I think it is pretty obvious. Bonobo Mar 2013 #138

So you didn't want JFK or RFK Teddy or Gore or FDR or Jerry Brown orJQ Adams, to ever run? graham4anything Mar 2013 #144

That is the reductionistic logic of a simpleton. Bonobo Mar 2013 #155

No, I understand it quite nicely, thank you. graham4anything Mar 2013 #158

Nobody died? kattycat Mar 2013 #176

Yup. 500,000. nt Bonobo Mar 2013 #177

Absolute nonsense. NYC Liberal Mar 2013 #175

You're seriously comparing the advantage that an incumbent has Bonobo Mar 2013 #179

+1000 whatchamacallit Mar 2013 #200

Generally agree with you on many issues but Skidmore Mar 2013 #165

Her husband is a rising ex-Goldman Sachs investment banker. They probably paid cash leveymg Mar 2013 #8

Oy Chelsea you could have done better . olddots Mar 2013 #223

5000 square feet for two people seems like ... frazzled Mar 2013 #10

And what's with all those bathrooms? Why??? nt babylonsister Mar 2013 #56

Clearly they need all those bathrooms to waterboard poor people. name not needed Mar 2013 #87

LOL, thread winner!!!!! stevenleser Mar 2013 #191

They clearly intend to throw a lot of parties. 5000 sq ft + 6.5 bathrooms makes it perfect for that. stevenleser Mar 2013 #192

Yeah. I get the sense that they are going to be entertaining a lot and having big shots and their bluestate10 Mar 2013 #232

If you got it, flaunt it. Ostentation much? Tierra_y_Libertad Mar 2013 #11

I know that area. It is reasonably nice. Close to lower Manhattan and Wall Street but bluestate10 Mar 2013 #36

the keeping up with the Jonses is getting out of hand. Whisp Mar 2013 #12

Homes in that area cost that much. Her husband and her work on Wall Street. They bluestate10 Mar 2013 #37

I guess Wall Street people are good people sometimes. Whisp Mar 2013 #46

Some are good. Too many are assholes. nt bluestate10 Mar 2013 #51

Name three. They are parasites that make the world a worse place every day they go to work. n/t Egalitarian Thug Mar 2013 #132

Bullshit leftynyc Mar 2013 #170

Imagine that. Someone that lives around (and works?) on Wall Street claiming that they're Egalitarian Thug Mar 2013 #194

Continue with your ignorant statements leftynyc Mar 2013 #195

Oh my, I'm cut to the quick. The parasites believe that I'm not bright enough to understand Egalitarian Thug Mar 2013 #197

Oh my, here's another ignorant fool that just doesn't understand how truly wonderful these Egalitarian Thug Mar 2013 #216

I produce nothing and make good money. Am I a parasite? joeglow3 Mar 2013 #213

If you're interested in an assessment, provide more details. I suspect that that is not Egalitarian Thug Mar 2013 #214

You Don't work there. What makes you such an expert on human nature? bluestate10 Mar 2013 #226

People can rationalize their actions forever, but rationalizations don't make you good. Egalitarian Thug Mar 2013 #241

Plenty of Wall Streeters RobinA Mar 2013 #212

I am glad to see that you are separating people from the culture that they work in. bluestate10 Mar 2013 #227

Daddy was a very *lucrative* breed of Democrat. Marr Mar 2013 #13

Reminds me of Downton Abbey LittleBlue Mar 2013 #14

Downton saw the aristocrats as supporting the peasants, actually Recursion Mar 2013 #32

It's silly jollyreaper2112 Mar 2013 #154

The female head of the 'real' downton (the place where it's filmed) was the daughter of Alfred HiPointDem Mar 2013 #73

A $10.5 million apartment is a good argument for wealth redistribution. Comrade Grumpy Mar 2013 #15

And the Repubs who used to diss Chelsea for her looks? They're all drooling. mnhtnbb Mar 2013 #16

This thread would be so very different if one name were changed in that article. Brickbat Mar 2013 #17

Like maybe change "Clinton" to "Romney" kenny blankenship Mar 2013 #22

I was thinking about the Bush twins, Brickbat Mar 2013 #23

Barbara Bush II lives in NYC. I don't think she has a place like Chelsea, but I doubt that she bluestate10 Mar 2013 #40

i'll bet she does, just the equivalent for a single woman. she lives in greenwich village. i've HiPointDem Mar 2013 #124

Yeah. I agree with you on all points. Barbara Bush II likely has a toney place to live. bluestate10 Mar 2013 #233

Maybe not, seeing as the Bush twins supported and voted for Obama. NYC Liberal Mar 2013 #136

So true, the double standard here is fucking amazing at times. n-t Logical Mar 2013 #25

This message was self-deleted by its author devilgrrl Mar 2013 #55

if it's true, why is it flamebait? only because there are folks here who don't want to admit it, HiPointDem Mar 2013 #75

This message was self-deleted by its author devilgrrl Mar 2013 #96

I think it is our business how the 1% lives, when they're proposing to cut social welfare & HiPointDem Mar 2013 #117

This message was self-deleted by its author devilgrrl Mar 2013 #120

Jealousy leads to high blood pressure, when what is needed is Wellness. graham4anything Mar 2013 #146

heal thyself physician HiPointDem Mar 2013 #147

Having a 48 ounce soda(780 calories), then a refill91560), is = to having a gun and a bullet graham4anything Mar 2013 #150

oh for god's sake, don't you have better things to think about than how much soda someone HiPointDem Mar 2013 #151

Wellness saves the poorest the most in reduced health care bills graham4anything Mar 2013 #152

that exemplifies the upper-class approach to other people's health. monitor their soda use HiPointDem Mar 2013 #153

Wellness helps the poor the most graham4anything Mar 2013 #156

How about we let the poor make thier own decisions? Upton Mar 2013 #157

I am a soda addict. Held to the cult of the soda. I welcome any wellness help anytime graham4anything Mar 2013 #159

Yeah, that soda culture.. Upton Mar 2013 #161

If its so unimportant, why does the NRA fight back instead of ignoring graham4anything Mar 2013 #164

What does the NRA have to do with soda? Upton Mar 2013 #169

Christine Quinn for Mayor of NYC 2013. I bet Chelsea & Hillary will vote for her. graham4anything Mar 2013 #174

OWS would say that you don't hate the 1%, you hate policies that benefit the 1% at stevenleser Mar 2013 #189

Competely agree. n/t hughee99 Mar 2013 #102

Change it to Chavez's daughter and watch what happens. Only American politicians sabrina 1 Mar 2013 #145

Not for me and not if you follow OWS's good advice. stevenleser Mar 2013 #190

Four bedrooms and six-and-a-half baths? Buns_of_Fire Mar 2013 #20

I'm guessing they will be doing a LOT of entertaining (nt) Nye Bevan Mar 2013 #26

I was just going to say that. I'm marrying a foreign service officer this summer... Recursion Mar 2013 #29

Well, sure, I'll buy that. Buns_of_Fire Mar 2013 #236

it might be 2 bathrooms for 1 bedroom JI7 Mar 2013 #27

How cool would that be. Never having to worry about leaving the toilet seat up (nt) Nye Bevan Mar 2013 #35

a lot of couples have said it helps their relationship JI7 Mar 2013 #41

That is standard for some upper income couples. Both people run on their schedules and bluestate10 Mar 2013 #43

Just in case the toilets don't work (spares) Rosa Luxemburg Mar 2013 #101

Here is the floorplan Ruby the Liberal Mar 2013 #222

Hate the floorplan.. good thing I'm not rich. mountain grammy Mar 2013 #239

Windows only on the ends - really gives off a Ruby the Liberal Mar 2013 #248

How DARE she not live in squalor! name not needed Mar 2013 #24

there is a lot of yardage between squalor and a 10 million dollar hovel. n/t Whisp Mar 2013 #52

Yep! It's disgraceful! babylonsister Mar 2013 #60

*North* of Madison Square Park? Might as well be in the Garment District... Recursion Mar 2013 #28

There's a notorious on premise swing club right around the corner from them Yavin4 Mar 2013 #31

The area has many good spots, but some rough ones. The trend is upscale. bluestate10 Mar 2013 #45

is that why they chose the neighborhood? HiPointDem Mar 2013 #76

Possibly. It's literally like 1 block from them. Yavin4 Mar 2013 #83

Speculation on your part. I have been in that area, there is a lot of questionable shit one block bluestate10 Mar 2013 #234

It's a joke. Yavin4 Mar 2013 #235

Trapeze... WilmywoodNCparalegal Mar 2013 #198

C'mon they can eat at Eleven Madison Park or the Shake Shack frazzled Mar 2013 #62

Isn't that the original Shake Shack? Recursion Mar 2013 #67

The Kennedys Were Stinking Rich. So were the Roosevelts. They bought palatial homes too. Yavin4 Mar 2013 #30

The Clintons are no more in that camp than the Bushes. nt Demo_Chris Mar 2013 #34

Barbara Bush II works for a non-profit and is pro gay rights. Not all Bushes are bad. bluestate10 Mar 2013 #48

Interesting Demo_Chris Mar 2013 #49

Every time I read something about Barbara Bush II, I come away thinking that she is a bluestate10 Mar 2013 #53

I know nothing about her actually Demo_Chris Mar 2013 #66

Barbara Bush II is the oldest daughter of Barbara and George W Bush. nt bluestate10 Mar 2013 #84

Yes, they are. As are all of them. The fact that some do some good in no way changes the Egalitarian Thug Mar 2013 #133

she doesn't just work for it, it's *her own* non-profit, tied into the gates foundation mission HiPointDem Mar 2013 #143

That may be true kattycat Mar 2013 #180

She's not exactly "pro gay." She just isn't against gay rights. There's a difference. Honeycombe8 Mar 2013 #245

But the Roosevelts invented social programs. They did not destroy them. JDPriestly Mar 2013 #142

Chelsea Clinton hasn't enacted, destroyed or modified any programs. nt stevenleser Mar 2013 #188

You mean LBJ don't you? LBJ was by far the single most liberal president ever. Without a doubt. graham4anything Mar 2013 #149

You forgot Vietnam.. Upton Mar 2013 #163

JFK and Eisenhower's war, and JFK hired McNamara. Lest you forget graham4anything Mar 2013 #166

I think what gives people a somewhat icky feeling is the relatively recent development of former Midwestern Democrat Mar 2013 #237

Am I suppose to be happy for the super rich simply because they are Democrats? Gravitycollapse Mar 2013 #33

It's all about vicarious participation and the illusion of inclusion kenny blankenship Mar 2013 #72

Indeed. nt Poll_Blind Mar 2013 #82

perfection +9001 Demo_Chris Mar 2013 #89

the insinuation that the Obama's are rich elites is hilarious when you are comparing to the famiy Whisp Mar 2013 #100

You're not even warm. kenny blankenship Mar 2013 #107

"the illusion of inclusion" i think has more to do with things like the amazingly high rate of black HiPointDem Mar 2013 #121

so Obama takes the brunt of all the gridlock. Whisp Mar 2013 #122

lol. faux outrage. i'm sure you understood the point from jump street, you just aren't allowed HiPointDem Mar 2013 #125

go away. Whisp Mar 2013 #126

you're not obliged to respond to my posts and can even put them on ignore if you like. HiPointDem Mar 2013 #127

bullcrap. Cha Mar 2013 #112

+1000000 woo me with science Mar 2013 #160

The uber wealthy will be the uber wealthy, as they say. RedCappedBandit Mar 2013 #38

This is cheap for nyc HipChick Mar 2013 #42

You're right. Her place is between the Upper East Side and the Battery Park area. bluestate10 Mar 2013 #50

No - it's not near Madison Square Garden leftynyc Mar 2013 #172

No, this is not cheap for New York City frazzled Mar 2013 #64

I could have beat them down to 10 million olddots Mar 2013 #44

Somehow, I can't account for one of the full baths. I see all the others. They may have bluestate10 Mar 2013 #58

There is a den` Ruby the Liberal Mar 2013 #249

Obscene panader0 Mar 2013 #47

Nice place DollarBillHines Mar 2013 #59

I bet you love rubbing this in DUers faces fascisthunter Mar 2013 #61

$10 an hour couldn't buy you a cardboard box in Manhattan. Initech Mar 2013 #63

10.5 million for your shelter... Shankapotomus Mar 2013 #69

hardly. HiPointDem Mar 2013 #80

6.5 bathrooms? Do the pets have personal potties? Zax2me Mar 2013 #77

5,000 sq ft? I hope she has a lot of time MannyGoldstein Mar 2013 #79

She almost surely has hired house cleaners. People that buy those types of houses in NYC bluestate10 Mar 2013 #85

it does look gorgeous renate Mar 2013 #81

She pulled herself up by her bootstraps... kentuck Mar 2013 #91

lol Demo_Chris Mar 2013 #103

Are you forgetting leftynyc Mar 2013 #173

And their families' connections & status had nothing to do with their stations in life? n/t DotGone Mar 2013 #204

No more than anyone else leftynyc Mar 2013 #206

I used to be homeless. This week, I signed the papers for a small house. riqster Mar 2013 #92

Congratulations on your new home. May you have marybourg Mar 2013 #106

Thanks! riqster Mar 2013 #185

Actually, this, plus her being a hedge fund manager deflate any further interest in her.. MrMickeysMom Mar 2013 #94

Her father -in-law is an outright crook kattycat Mar 2013 #182

Hey, he could be governor of Florida! MrMickeysMom Mar 2013 #215

Like Zoidberg says: TwilightGardener Mar 2013 #99

According to Google Street View this is the building? Locut0s Mar 2013 #109

Good for them. flvegan Mar 2013 #111

unfortunately the word 'successful' has changed a lot lately. Whisp Mar 2013 #113

I like your jump from what you think are facts to opinion. flvegan Mar 2013 #115

Wall Street Mocks Protesters By Drinking Champagne 2011 Whisp Mar 2013 #116

Yeah, I don't envy people either who are successful in Cha Mar 2013 #114

chelsea clinton was successful in the sperm lottery. which made her successful in the marriage HiPointDem Mar 2013 #118

Rather sexist of you. Why not include the ovum, particularly as the mothers of both are quite msanthrope Mar 2013 #250

in this case it's the parents who are successful and were able to provide this to their daughter JI7 Mar 2013 #123

Well that at least has the benefit of symmetry, because they have the finger for you as well. n/t Egalitarian Thug Mar 2013 #134

+10.5 million. The ones in disagreement are just jealous graham4anything Mar 2013 #202

I pity this poor couple... DreamGypsy Mar 2013 #119

So, Chelsea Clinton and her husband can afford a $10.5 million apartment, JDPriestly Mar 2013 #137

Yay! The lives of the rich and powerful. MadHound Mar 2013 #171

Nicht schlecht! KansDem Mar 2013 #181

Those saying they "earned that" kattycat Mar 2013 #184

+++ Whisp Mar 2013 #199

Doesn't have the same zing if they say: "Marc and Chelsea Mezinsky buy 5,000 SF apartment on E. 26th KurtNYC Mar 2013 #193

$10.5 million has pretty much the same zing anywhere. HiPointDem Mar 2013 #210

It's her money...she can spend it however she likes. Peter cotton Mar 2013 #220

She could have done so much with her life tabasco Mar 2013 #238

By all appearences, she's *enjoying* her life. Good for her. Peter cotton Mar 2013 #244

My beef... Libertas1776 Mar 2013 #246

Are we supposed to hate all people with money? justiceischeap Mar 2013 #247