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In the discussion thread: Burning The US Flag Is Akin to Displaying the Confederate Flag [View all]

Wed Feb 1, 2012, 10:10 AM

Lionessa (3,894 posts)

17. Really, and just out of curiosity you know this how?

You've recruited how many to what causes?

Seems to me that the Republicans antagonize their non-1% supporters all the time, but even those in the bottom 5% still seem to remain rabidly attached to the party of pro-lies, oops, I meant pro-life, because of some evil god-daddy that's going to punish them (as though their subsistence life isn't punishment already) if they don't vote for embryos via Republicans.

Which brings us to religion which uses antagonism as well, successfully.

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117 replies	Author	Time	Post
Burning The US Flag Is Akin to Displaying the Confederate Flag [View all]	Yavin4	Feb 2012	OP
How about we burn the Confederate flags?	izquierdista	Feb 2012	#1
Sounds like fun. I'm in.	TheWraith	Feb 2012	#55
I disagree. Considering what USA actually seems to stand for these days...	Lionessa	Feb 2012	#2
How about revering the flag for what it OUGHT to represent?	Nuclear Unicorn	Feb 2012	#3
Thank you. I am an atheist and think that religion has a lot to answer for. I don't burn Bibles. n/t	renie408	Feb 2012	#4
Not the same, yet.	Lionessa	Feb 2012	#8
Ok, so YOU don't care.	renie408	Feb 2012	#18
Boo hoo, feelers get hurt. Please assimilate all you desire. I shall not.	Lionessa	Feb 2012	#24
And what, exactly, does burning a flag do to help all those people?	renie408	Feb 2012	#30
Please read about civil rights movements. The class you ask me to teach you can't be done here.	Lionessa	Feb 2012	#39
That answers the question about whether or not you can have a discussion without being insulting.	renie408	Feb 2012	#44
that one sure is a know it all today	Whisp	Feb 2012	#82
Or how about we use burning it to represent our dissatisfaction that it doesn't represent what it	Lionessa	Feb 2012	#5
Yeah, except it won't work that way.	Nuclear Unicorn	Feb 2012	#7
So you say, I'm certainly not hearing anyone say anything except	Lionessa	Feb 2012	#10
You are wrong if you think 'wingers' are the only people who care about flag burning.	renie408	Feb 2012	#21
I don't see it as dismissal as much as an intentional in your face,	Lionessa	Feb 2012	#27
Can you have a straight discussion about this without insulting the person you are talking to?	renie408	Feb 2012	#33
No, not really because you are becoming responsible for grandizing idea that it's offensive	Lionessa	Feb 2012	#37
sigh	renie408	Feb 2012	#45
it's that effective 'Newt' style of debate that is becoming so popular	Whisp	Feb 2012	#83
Or	Nuclear Unicorn	Feb 2012	#48
I can agree and understand your POV here, but	Lionessa	Feb 2012	#50
Flag burning seems pretty dumb if it destroys OWS larger message	Nuclear Unicorn	Feb 2012	#51
Except for folks like you promoting that concept, I don't think it does	Lionessa	Feb 2012	#52
+1	whatchamacallit	Feb 2012	#61
So by burning an American flag OWS has elevated the conversation? Really? nt	hack89	Feb 2012	#58
Not being cowed into revering a piece of fabric that represents a regime elevates the conversation.	Lionessa	Feb 2012	#60
So OWS is taking the moral superiority route?	hack89	Feb 2012	#75
I have no doubt that never crossed their minds, however	Lionessa	Feb 2012	#77
I don't think it crossed their minds either - because they are fucking clueless	hack89	Feb 2012	#79
Counter question. How is your outrage supposed to help?	Lionessa	Feb 2012	#81
How does OWS grow if it pisses off potential supporters?	hack89	Feb 2012	#84
It allows intelligent folks the opportunity to explain to their family and peers why	Lionessa	Feb 2012	#85
So what does burning a flag represent to OWS? What is the message I am suppose to get? nt	hack89	Feb 2012	#86
America is broken, breaking, falling, no longer worthy of the respect it demands.	Lionessa	Feb 2012	#92
So OWS, in demanding respect	hack89	Feb 2012	#97
I don't recall "respect" being any part of their consideration, though	Lionessa	Feb 2012	#101
If people don't respect OWS why would they consider supporting them? nt	hack89	Feb 2012	#102
After hours of trying to help you out of yours and others'	Lionessa	Feb 2012	#103
A sense of moral and intellectual superiority is what every successful social movement is built on	hack89	Feb 2012	#104
Ought to represent to whom?	ZombieHorde	Feb 2012	#87
One could ask the same of the ill-defined OWS	Nuclear Unicorn	Feb 2012	#88
Of course OWS is meaningless.	ZombieHorde	Feb 2012	#91
Because, yeah, the civil liberties situation in 1861 was SO much the same as now	jberryhill	Feb 2012	#6
Yep, instead of just blacks, slaves, and women, the attempt is to now	Lionessa	Feb 2012	#12
Just tell me which year in US history you like	jberryhill	Feb 2012	#14
The trend for the past 30 years has not been positive.	Lionessa	Feb 2012	#15
Ah... another thread about how stupid I am	jberryhill	Feb 2012	#16
Sorry, but trends aren't opinions. From Reagan to current, the trend is to	Lionessa	Feb 2012	#19
Your proposition is that the confederacy was just as good	jberryhill	Feb 2012	#25
Good is not anything related to what I said.	Lionessa	Feb 2012	#32
"I said we are heading into something equally bad"	jberryhill	Feb 2012	#35
OMG, you are not worth it.	Lionessa	Feb 2012	#38
Alienating others is not going to change that course	jberryhill	Feb 2012	#40
The poor, and women's	Cherchez la Femme	Feb 2012	#94
explain 'these days', please.	Whisp	Feb 2012	#76
Really??? You're that ignorant? You can't fathom what "these days" mean in the context of	Lionessa	Feb 2012	#78
let's not get all prickly now.	Whisp	Feb 2012	#80
Flag burning threads	unionworks	Feb 2012	#9
Burning the American flag isnt respresentative of racism	mkultra	Feb 2012	#11
You Missed The Point Entirely	Yavin4	Feb 2012	#13
Really, and just out of curiosity you know this how?	Lionessa	Feb 2012	#17
it's CRAZY to suggest that burning the U.S. flag doesn't alienate the vast majority of working class	Douglas Carpenter	Feb 2012	#31
Since I see many here claiming it, I think you're potentially incorrect.	Lionessa	Feb 2012	#34
I 100% support OWS and consider it the most promissing social movement in a at least a generation	Douglas Carpenter	Feb 2012	#111
Speaking from the reality	whatchamacallit	Feb 2012	#63
it's not a matter of whether it offends me or not - it offends almost all working class Americans	Douglas Carpenter	Feb 2012	#110
we are working class americans and it doesnt offend us	mkultra	Feb 2012	#116
everyone who has any exposure to working class Americans knows very well that the	Douglas Carpenter	Feb 2012	#117
Look Up The Name Rick Monday	ProfessorGAC	Feb 2012	#62
Harm vs good can only be determined in hindsight, which we have not enough of regarding	Lionessa	Feb 2012	#64
I was actually pointing out that it was YOU, sir that are missing the point	mkultra	Feb 2012	#20
And Confederate Flag Wavers Say The Same Thing	Yavin4	Feb 2012	#46
And what are these expressions?	Cherchez la Femme	Feb 2012	#96
Well, if they don't understand what a perfect political statement flag burning really is	nobodyspecial	Feb 2012	#26
But they antagonize for different reasons.	Goblinmonger	Feb 2012	#28
In the End, They Both Antagonize	Yavin4	Feb 2012	#69
So racism is on the same level as protest.	Goblinmonger	Feb 2012	#72
Pearl clutchers are amusing. n/t	Cali_Democrat	Feb 2012	#22
In small doses. Beyond that	Union Scribe	Feb 2012	#73
...	xchrom	Feb 2012	#23
No. No it's not. nt	Romulox	Feb 2012	#29
The Reason Burning The Flag Is Dumb Is Because You Are Alienating The Very People You Want To Reach	DemocratSinceBirth	Feb 2012	#36
Or, akin to burning the confederate flag or Jeff Davis' underwear.	Tierra_y_Libertad	Feb 2012	#41
You Are Attributing A Level Of Political Sophistication To The Average American That Never Existed	DemocratSinceBirth	Feb 2012	#42
They're not going to get "sophisticated" by playing to their fears of not conforming.	Tierra_y_Libertad	Feb 2012	#54
You're Making a False Analogy	Yavin4	Feb 2012	#68
I think the purpose of OWS is to get people pissed	Goblinmonger	Feb 2012	#74
I agree, there is an absolute right to DO it	treestar	Feb 2012	#43
Thanks. Both Acts Are Meant to Provoke and Antagonize Your Fellow Man.	Yavin4	Feb 2012	#49
Rubbish.	Zoeisright	Feb 2012	#47
I agree. But then I also agree with the OP...	renie408	Feb 2012	#53
They're going to be put off by	Neoma	Feb 2012	#56
Thank You. Provoking and Antagonizing Your Fellow Man...	Yavin4	Feb 2012	#67
I imagine many of us concern ourselves more with...	LanternWaste	Feb 2012	#57
No, one is a symbol of racism and hate. The other is an act of speech	morningfog	Feb 2012	#59
And The Confederate Flag Defender Would Say That...	Yavin4	Feb 2012	#65
I concede that point. That is why symbols are powerful and why they are used.	morningfog	Feb 2012	#66
what then is the precise form of protest which will not antagonize and provoke anger in anyone?	LanternWaste	Feb 2012	#70
The Point of a Popular Protest Is To Influence Popular Opinion	Yavin4	Feb 2012	#98
Again, what is the precise and relevant form of protest	LanternWaste	Feb 2012	#105
Protests Are Designed to Piss Off The Powerful and The Corrupt	Yavin4	Feb 2012	#114
i dont agree with the first part of your argument, but do agree with the second part	La Lioness Priyanka	Feb 2012	#71
Are you shitting me?	Cherchez la Femme	Feb 2012	#89
Waving a flag is akin to turning off your brain.	JackRiddler	Feb 2012	#90
That's the thing about flags if the United States were to lose a war to China, and	Uncle Joe	Feb 2012	#95
Got any other science fiction left over from the Cold War?	JackRiddler	Feb 2012	#107
It was just my hypothesis based on historical human traits and frailties.	Uncle Joe	Feb 2012	#109
So, Then You'd Have No Problem With Your Neighbor	Yavin4	Feb 2012	#99
I only have a problem with you not reading what I write before responding.	JackRiddler	Feb 2012	#106
Burning the US Flag is akin to burning a Confederate flag ...	T S Justly	Feb 2012	#93
Having the Right To Do So Aint My Point	Yavin4	Feb 2012	#100
Actually, your point seems to be to pin "OWS" neurotically to a flag-burning incident in Oakland...	JackRiddler	Feb 2012	#108
And, my point ...	T S Justly	Feb 2012	#112
If burning a flag antagonizes someone, then I am ready to burn	DontTreadOnMe	Feb 2012	#113
So quite a lot of Southerners aren't "average everyday Americans"? Right then	Spider Jerusalem	Feb 2012	#115

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