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klook

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25. Of course there is.

Wed Mar 13, 2013, 06:25 PM

Mar 2013

There are many socially progressive Catholics and Catholic institutions.

There are also right-wing Catholics. There is no room for them among rank-and-file Dems.

I, an atheist and rank-and-file Democrat, welcome conscientious and progressive Catholics and look forward to working side-by-side with them for a better world.

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Is there still room for Catholics among rank-and-file Dems? [View all] reformist2 Mar 2013 OP

Oh, stop. This is about the constant assault by the Catholic hierarchy on children, women, and ... GodlessBiker Mar 2013 #1

There are many here who see the laity as enablers BeyondGeography Mar 2013 #11

I can personally attest to seeing posts that disagree with you. redqueen Mar 2013 #12

There have been several OP's today that specifically called out members, not just the hierarchy. pnwmom Mar 2013 #86

No that's simply factually incorrect - DU is brimming with attacks on the catholic laity. Donald Ian Rankin Mar 2013 #157

Ya know, it's strange, but I've yet to see any of the laity here express any overt dismay over the Zorra Mar 2013 #166

this website is very anti-religion but liberal_at_heart Mar 2013 #2

a.k.a. "spiritual" Democrats, Free Democrats, Progressive in the artistic-sense Democrats, like what patrice Mar 2013 #10

and there are christians, like me arely staircase Mar 2013 #94

I came of age during Vatican II: Christian FIRST, Catholic second, although that's really more like patrice Mar 2013 #99

Is that the same christ who wiped out almost all of mankind? snooper2 Mar 2013 #128

no arely staircase Mar 2013 #142

Huh? you got me confused... snooper2 Mar 2013 #143

jesus and the flood, huh? arely staircase Mar 2013 #144

Anti-christianity more than anti-religion, I think. Donald Ian Rankin Mar 2013 #158

isn't the Vice President a Catholic ? JI7 Mar 2013 #3

Yep Go Vols Mar 2013 #7

Catholics also make up the largest number of Dem Senators JI7 Mar 2013 #14

Yes, Biden and Kerry and Ted Kennedy among other Democrats, are/were Catholics. sabrina 1 Mar 2013 #137

You favor a purge? or oppose alienation? either way it's a fascistic impulse in service to patrice Mar 2013 #4

It's confusing too Paul E Ester Mar 2013 #26

+1 HuckleB Mar 2013 #88

Thanks, you always give me a lot to think about. freshwest Mar 2013 #168

I'm not a Catholic but I seriously get pissed off at the inconsiderate bigotry I sometimes see here. Matariki Mar 2013 #5

I think you forgot your sarcasm thingy MindPilot Mar 2013 #29

Where? kwassa Mar 2013 #54

Of course there are no links. cordelia Mar 2013 #127

I think it's equally inconsiderate to mock atheists beliefs. Matariki Mar 2013 #65

why? So now we shouldnt be rude? Religion is the worst thing man ever invented. bowens43 Mar 2013 #126

Why be rude at all? Puzzledtraveller Mar 2013 #132

Religion is not the worst thing man ever invented. Matariki Mar 2013 #147

Oh for Gosh sake. Believers sit here DAILY and hear the snark from atheists, and you for CAG Mar 2013 #103

Mocking beliefs is really that harmful? alp227 Mar 2013 #75

Criticism of bigotry is not bigotry. HuckleB Mar 2013 #89

Thank you. + 100,000,000. nt Zorra Mar 2013 #145

I don't disagree with youi. Matariki Mar 2013 #146

I don't think people are angry at catholics Marrah_G Mar 2013 #6

+1000 (nt) Control-Z Mar 2013 #9

+1001 forestpath Mar 2013 #58

I'm suggesting that it might be prudent to tone it down a few notches, that's all. reformist2 Mar 2013 #13

The level of anomosity towards women and gays by the Church is pretty severe. Arugula Latte Mar 2013 #21

So you are not a Catholic am I correct? Puzzledtraveller Mar 2013 #133

For me, that is not going to happen Marrah_G Mar 2013 #23

The Church Dorian Gray Mar 2013 #120

The animosity toward church hierarchy is well deserved Warpy Mar 2013 #41

No. 2ndAmForComputers Mar 2013 #70

"Local churches and the priests and people who do wonderful things are FAR removed..." redqueen Mar 2013 #19

I hate to say it but you see a lot of catholic hate. People just can't help themselves. southernyankeebelle Mar 2013 #56

What we hate is a Church that insists on crushing the lives of women and gays and poor people Arugula Latte Mar 2013 #136

It doesn't matter what you think. We who still like what our church stands for don't like southernyankeebelle Mar 2013 #139

Well, this is a liberal discussion board. Arugula Latte Mar 2013 #140

True but I always thought liberals were more tolerant then the right wing. The southernyankeebelle Mar 2013 #141

This is what I don't get: Arugula Latte Mar 2013 #152

Well I don't like the level of hate, period. There are many many good local priests that southernyankeebelle Mar 2013 #153

So do you think we should express this animosity towards prominent Catholic sabrina 1 Mar 2013 #156

I'm expressing animosity towards the church leadership and its policies. Arugula Latte Mar 2013 #161

Respect people--not hurtful or silly beliefs. earthside Mar 2013 #34

There were hate posts today specifically directed at members, not just the hierarchy, pnwmom Mar 2013 #91

That's very sad Dorian Gray Mar 2013 #121

As a practicing Catholic Dorian Gray Mar 2013 #119

What so say is factually incorrect - a brief scan of DU will find many posts that are clearly angry Donald Ian Rankin Mar 2013 #159

So basically it's OK to bash every institution in the world except overtly liberal ones? reformist2 Mar 2013 #8

if they are anti gay, anti women etc yes they should be criticized JI7 Mar 2013 #15

then make a list, better start now Puzzledtraveller Mar 2013 #134

NO shortage of Catholic bashing here & just to be sure, I should put you in the purge the party patrice Mar 2013 #16

Do you support the church's stance on gays and women? Apophis Mar 2013 #38

When an institution enshrines discrimination as official doctrine, yes it is. marmar Mar 2013 #63

We don't bash "liberal institutions"? aquart Mar 2013 #114

There is no room for spirituality of any kind here on DU, whether as part of a religion or not. KittyWampus Mar 2013 #17

Explain what you mean by Scientific Materialism being country to all that is considered progressive. Humanist_Activist Mar 2013 #22

Don't hold your tongue MattBaggins Mar 2013 #35

I bet 99% of the hipsters who jabber about quantum theory jsr Mar 2013 #50

Well stated! corneliamcgillicutty Mar 2013 #42

O M F G WHAT DID I JUST READ? alp227 Mar 2013 #78

it's like the fountain of bullshit RainDog Mar 2013 #90

Philosophical dwarves… it's hilarious. My post points out really super basic philosophical camps. KittyWampus Mar 2013 #97

It's "they're" not "their" RainDog Mar 2013 #98

Reality has been proven by science to be non-local. And many scientists of note are Idealists KittyWampus Mar 2013 #96

Anyone who uses the phrase "proven by science" doesn't know how science works. Humanist_Activist Mar 2013 #109

What's also obnoxious RainDog Mar 2013 #118

LOL! Spare me your adolescent rhetorical attempts at making your own ignorance. KittyWampus Mar 2013 #149

LOL. You're a trip. RainDog Mar 2013 #151

... SidDithers Mar 2013 #84

That deserves a standing ovation Puzzledtraveller Mar 2013 #135

lol! eShirl Mar 2013 #150

Generally, no one here is worried about spiritual folks who don't belong to organizations Zorra Mar 2013 #163

no...there simply isn't ProdigalJunkMail Mar 2013 #18

Put it another way. Does the Catholic Church upaloopa Mar 2013 #20

Winning Hispanics 2-1 put Obama in the White House BeyondGeography Mar 2013 #28

No one said the "faithful" are child abuse enablers. upaloopa Mar 2013 #36

yes the democratic party cannot become too arrogant liberal_at_heart Mar 2013 #44

Post removed Post removed Mar 2013 #113

63% of Democrats in a Pew Poll identified as "no religion" RainDog Mar 2013 #116

I passed your message onto the Kennedy family. Paul E Ester Mar 2013 #51

Is that really a question you want Catholics to be asking themselves? Comrade Grumpy Mar 2013 #95

The Dem party would not have carried the election without a majority of Catholic voters. pnwmom Mar 2013 #101

Only if you mean "if all Catholics had voted against Obama, he'd have lost" muriel_volestrangler Mar 2013 #122

Okay, let's look at states with the highest percentages of catholics. hughee99 Mar 2013 #167

I sure hope so. Else what am I doing here? Tommy_Carcetti Mar 2013 #24

Thank you for putting this so well, Tommy Hekate Mar 2013 #33

amen, Tommy CurtEastPoint Mar 2013 #39

well said! liberal_at_heart Mar 2013 #40

Great post. davidthegnome Mar 2013 #110

Of course there is. klook Mar 2013 #25

+1 redqueen Mar 2013 #27

voice of reason. Thank you. liberal_at_heart Mar 2013 #31

Agreed 100%, from another atheist and rank-and-file Democrat. (nt) TacoD Mar 2013 #138

One really has to wonder about the shrill voices on DU... Hekate Mar 2013 #30

DU does not equal the Democratic Party liberal_at_heart Mar 2013 #37

Thanks for pointing that out. chieftain Mar 2013 #45

don't get me wrong I think there is a very loud wing of DU that is very anti-religion liberal_at_heart Mar 2013 #47

I take your point. chieftain Mar 2013 #59

and it most certainly does not represent Bobbie Jo Mar 2013 #62

ITT: People scrambling to paint one sixth of the planet with a single brush. (nt) Posteritatis Mar 2013 #32

Well, not if you look around at the threads posted today. Zax2me Mar 2013 #43

Correct observation. jsr Mar 2013 #53

Though I no longer consider my self Catholic etherealtruth Mar 2013 #46

Among rank-and-file Dems, certainly. At DU, not so much. 11 Bravo Mar 2013 #48

IMO, "rank and file" Catholics have as much room with rank and file Dems MH1 Mar 2013 #49

Pennsylvania? H2O Man Mar 2013 #52

Excuse me but who are you to make that judgement? I am a catholic and a liberal southernyankeebelle Mar 2013 #55

Obviously, I can't speak for the OP ... etherealtruth Mar 2013 #57

Yes your right. There is a lot of mean things said about catholics when really the southernyankeebelle Mar 2013 #61

Though I don't consider myself Catholic (or any religion) now ... (ofor a very long time) etherealtruth Mar 2013 #64

people on this website were quick to use Catholics in their argument for birth control liberal_at_heart Mar 2013 #66

Yes I know your right on. It's the same way in my family. southernyankeebelle Mar 2013 #67

Of course there is.... Fresh_Start Mar 2013 #60

Post removed Post removed Mar 2013 #68

I want to make sure I get this straight etherealtruth Mar 2013 #72

I alerted on a rude, bigoted post today distantearlywarning Mar 2013 #69

I was on a jury today that voted 6-0 to hide a nasty, bigoted, personal post! liberal_at_heart Mar 2013 #71

I saw a 5-1 to keep one throwing ethnic slurs around because the target's acceptable. Posteritatis Mar 2013 #73

DU stands strong for the 1st Amendment. I like cultivating the possibility that such posts patrice Mar 2013 #100

Yes, especially the liberation theology Catholics! bobduca Mar 2013 #74

What about Vice President Joe Biden and the Kennedy's? graham4anything Mar 2013 #76

I'm starting to wonder that myself, indeed. Will be a hell of a loss to the party should they Purveyor Mar 2013 #77

This party should be a secular one. alp227 Mar 2013 #79

Bigotry is really shitty. LeftyMom Mar 2013 #80

A+ ForgoTheConsequence Mar 2013 #105

Usually the excuse is some nonsense about changing from within. LeftyMom Mar 2013 #108

Not supporting it is not the same davidthegnome Mar 2013 #111

Uh huh. ForgoTheConsequence Mar 2013 #160

How about this? davidthegnome Mar 2013 #162

So are you painting individual's posts with all of DU? I have seen post not favorable to Jews, still_one Mar 2013 #81

Only if you want to win elections MFrohike Mar 2013 #82

I know plenty of rank-and-file Dems who are Catholics. HuckleB Mar 2013 #83

most top ranking dems ARE catholics eom arely staircase Mar 2013 #85

I am not a Catholic. As a rule, Catholics lonestarnot Mar 2013 #87

Yes. I have a problem with the intolerant ricks, nadinbrzezinski Mar 2013 #92

Yes Politicub Mar 2013 #93

No one is forcing you to be Catholic. ForgoTheConsequence Mar 2013 #102

My wife's a Catholic, a Democrat, and a Marxist. But, she doesn't owe fealty to any of them. Tierra_y_Libertad Mar 2013 #104

Not sure. How's your personal hygiene? Buzz Clik Mar 2013 #106

DU is not "rank and file" Dems....DU is an amazing conglomeration of leftists, Wiccans, trolls..... Rowdyboy Mar 2013 #107

Goodness, what a perfectly silly thing to say. aquart Mar 2013 #112

Assuming you're a Democrat, you seem to still be here. Tierra_y_Libertad Mar 2013 #115

There is always room Summer Hathaway Mar 2013 #117

There's room for neoliberals. LWolf Mar 2013 #123

This subject just depresses me- because, let's be honest, it's more do Catholics belong at DU el_bryanto Mar 2013 #124

Kinda depends on the Catholic, doesn't it? MNBrewer Mar 2013 #125

For them? Sure. For their corrupt church to be held free from criticism? Fuck no. dmallind Mar 2013 #129

Not unless you believe an institution can be hated without hating cherokeeprogressive Mar 2013 #130

Of course there is room. murielm99 Mar 2013 #131

You should have included a couple of quotes to illustrate what you're referring to. redqueen Mar 2013 #148

There better be WilliamPitt Mar 2013 #154

Yes, there should be mvd Mar 2013 #155

LOL La Lioness Priyanka Mar 2013 #164

Is there still room in the Catholic church for rank-and-file Democrats? MNBrewer Mar 2013 #165