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In the discussion thread: Are Mormons Christian? [View all]

Wed Feb 1, 2012, 12:12 AM

Orangepeel (12,701 posts)

115. That's a pretty good analogy

Mostly, it is true that all you have to do to "officially" be a democrat is register as one. Also, everybody is always arguing over which particular strain of democratic principles are "true"

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Are Mormons Christian? [View all]	Renew Deal	Jan 2012	OP
in the same way David Koresh was Christian.	FarLeftFist	Jan 2012	#1
Was Jesus Christian?	Kablooie	Jan 2012	#2
If you want to fluster a fundamentalist, ask them that very question.	A HERETIC I AM	Jan 2012	#6
This belongs in the religous forum. No Jesus wasn't a Christian, he was the son of God. So what	lonestarnot	Jan 2012	#12
LOL	A HERETIC I AM	Jan 2012	#17
To each his own and I say that one day your knees will bow, like it or not. So you have fun now.	lonestarnot	Jan 2012	#22
I love how Christians resort to threats of eternal damnation when their beliefs are challenged.	white_wolf	Jan 2012	#26
Did I say eternal damnation? No I did not. Now when you get back to politics and save the	lonestarnot	Jan 2012	#33
This post was hidden by jury decision.	A HERETIC I AM	Feb 2012	#209
Looking for the LIKE button!	RetroLounge	Feb 2012	#230
I agree. nt	TBF	Feb 2012	#265
Me too, well worth the read! n/t	MarkCharles	Feb 2012	#267
Thank you.	A HERETIC I AM	Jan 2012	#34
not that it is that germaine to the main point of the point but 'heretic'	grantcart	Feb 2012	#224
Thanks, but trust me, I KNOW the definition of "Heretic"	A HERETIC I AM	Feb 2012	#231
And that is the most common understanding of the word	grantcart	Feb 2012	#234
I love how non-Christians seek out attention by posting comments like...	joeglow3	Jan 2012	#35
I actually didn't post that.	white_wolf	Jan 2012	#42
I wrote that as a means to show a personal historical context.	A HERETIC I AM	Jan 2012	#58
I'm stealing your last quote if you don't mind, as a sig line. Brilliant. nt	riderinthestorm	Jan 2012	#68
You're welcome to it. I used it on the old DU for years.	A HERETIC I AM	Jan 2012	#73
Threats of eternal damnation are the most effective tool organized religion has	undeterred	Jan 2012	#37
I'm pretty sure that pointing that out is a sin	Renew Deal	Jan 2012	#43
All the fun people will be in hell.	undeterred	Jan 2012	#56
I didn't read that as damnation, White Wolf....	Ecumenist	Jan 2012	#41
Perhaps I misread him then. It is very possible.	white_wolf	Jan 2012	#45
Oh God, you too? I went to a fundie Christian school in the 70's and saw these types for what	Ecumenist	Jan 2012	#57
The other poster is referencing a specific Scripture, in Romans 14. The full passage	Bluenorthwest	Feb 2012	#133
Of course it's a damnation.	A HERETIC I AM	Feb 2012	#215
I suppose it's all perception. I honestly don't think it was meant as a declaration	Ecumenist	Feb 2012	#216
Anyone that tells me "Someday your knees will bow" has a very specific idea in mind.	A HERETIC I AM	Feb 2012	#219
Sorry pal, but no, I won't.	A HERETIC I AM	Jan 2012	#49
Wow. You wasted a bunch of effort there. Did you have fun? Your opinion of my God is not valuable	lonestarnot	Jan 2012	#66
Yup. Same opinion.	A HERETIC I AM	Jan 2012	#71
Not me...	Hepburn	Jan 2012	#100
If your god actually existed, I'd tell him to fuck himself for demanding people "bow down".	Zhade	Feb 2012	#120
I kind of get this attitude but	treestar	Feb 2012	#148
I don't reject mythology because of others' interpretations, but because of the lack of evidence.	Zhade	Feb 2012	#170
You must really consider the circus	Warren DeMontague	Feb 2012	#126
holy shit	waddirum	Feb 2012	#169
Isn't that classic?	Warren DeMontague	Feb 2012	#172
this video has everything	waddirum	Feb 2012	#177
This message was self-deleted by its author	waddirum	Feb 2012	#176
Kneel Before Zod	Warren DeMontague	Feb 2012	#171
To whom? Mithras?	MNBrewer	Feb 2012	#173
"one day your knees will bow, like it or not."	eShirl	Feb 2012	#181
I Had a Friend In School with Bowed Legs	we can do it	Feb 2012	#187
"I say that one day your knees will bow" - KNEEL BEFORE ZOD!	cleanhippie	Feb 2012	#195
Pathetic and typical	Marrah_G	Feb 2012	#237
"Your knees will bow"? What the hell is that supposed to mean?	Humanist_Activist	Feb 2012	#268
KNEEL BEFORE ZOD!!!!	Taverner	Feb 2012	#281
I remember studying the subject around 20 years ago.	mmonk	Jan 2012	#27
"Biblical Scholars" all think "he" existed- big surprise, there. Most objective non-Bible historians	Warren DeMontague	Feb 2012	#128
Not true ("Biblical Scholars" all think "he" existed), some are athiests.	eShirl	Feb 2012	#201
I think you misunderstood. Actually, for all I know there may be Biblical Scholars who dispute the	Warren DeMontague	Feb 2012	#233
You chose your DU name well.	Canuckistanian	Jan 2012	#50
I learned long ago - like back in 2003 - that discretion was the better part of valor.	A HERETIC I AM	Jan 2012	#52
he could have been real. doesn't mean he's a diety. at any rate, he was the first documented hippie	dionysus	Jan 2012	#63
Unfortunately.....	A HERETIC I AM	Jan 2012	#70
i challenge you to prove he didn't invent the bong.	dionysus	Jan 2012	#75
He didn't invent it	Warren DeMontague	Feb 2012	#127
I'm more on your side than not, but the reason the gospels were written decades after Jesus lived	deutsey	Jan 2012	#105
Next you'll be trying to say that Osiris didn't exist. Or Mithras.	Warren DeMontague	Feb 2012	#129
One day your knees will bow to Mithras.	Arugula Latte	Feb 2012	#174
In those days, that wouldn't matter	treestar	Feb 2012	#149
Jesus existed - he is a person who lived	treestar	Feb 2012	#147
There is not one iota of actual evidence that he existed.	PassingFair	Feb 2012	#189
You say that with confidence, as if you had hard evidence to back that up.	cleanhippie	Feb 2012	#196
BUZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ! Thanks for playing though.	Goblinmonger	Feb 2012	#197
I thought it was generally known and accepted	treestar	Feb 2012	#204
Well, you thought wrong	Goblinmonger	Feb 2012	#206
Again, why does it matter?	treestar	Feb 2012	#243
Oh, the old "Most critical historian" with no citation	Goblinmonger	Feb 2012	#251
It is generally accepted.	Union Scribe	Feb 2012	#222
Bollocks.	A HERETIC I AM	Feb 2012	#228
Uh huh.	Union Scribe	Feb 2012	#229
LOL.	A HERETIC I AM	Feb 2012	#232
Their threatening you doesn't mean Jesus didn't exist	treestar	Feb 2012	#244
Generally accepted by Christians perhaps.	Goblinmonger	Feb 2012	#239
The existence of any ancient figure	treestar	Feb 2012	#245
But we have independent sources	Goblinmonger	Feb 2012	#250
The physical evidence that Jesus existed	CJCRANE	Feb 2012	#271
One can decisively reject any notion of Jesus' divinity, but the historical	coalition_unwilling	Feb 2012	#270
Actually he was a Jew...	Marrah_G	Feb 2012	#235
Is Jesus Made of Matter?	snooper2	Feb 2012	#242
he was the only one ever actually spotted	SwampG8r	Jan 2012	#113
your comment on the "savior god" myth is	rapmanej	Feb 2012	#130
Nope.	mmonk	Jan 2012	#9
Jesus was a Jew. N/t	Hepburn	Jan 2012	#99
don't know and don't care	quinnox	Jan 2012	#3
Mormons say they are Christians.	provis99	Jan 2012	#4
A Christian is someone who follows the teachings of the Christ	SaintPete	Jan 2012	#38
But they say they got their teachings from Christ	jberryhill	Jan 2012	#74
Not "my" Christ, but I get your point	SaintPete	Jan 2012	#80
I meant the generic "you", not you specifically	jberryhill	Jan 2012	#81
So you have to believe in the trinity to be a Christian?	Goblinmonger	Feb 2012	#198
You're incorrect in many of your assumptions.	Common Sense Party	Feb 2012	#264
that's just the tired old "No True Scotsman" argument.	provis99	Jan 2012	#77
Not really. it's just a basic syllogism	SaintPete	Jan 2012	#78
Mormons are just as much Christan as any other group that claims the title.	white_wolf	Jan 2012	#79
That makes as much sense as saying that everyone who claims to be a Democrat, IS a Democrat	SaintPete	Jan 2012	#84
That's a pretty good analogy	Orangepeel	Feb 2012	#115
Ah, then you'd need to demonstrate that self indentified Christians follow the teachings	Bluenorthwest	Feb 2012	#135
Haven't you ever argued a point from an objective POV?	SaintPete	Feb 2012	#150
Are you a Christian?	Goblinmonger	Feb 2012	#199
Nope	SaintPete	Feb 2012	#218
only follow the teachings of Jesus?	Orangepeel	Feb 2012	#114
OK, faulty premise.	SaintPete	Feb 2012	#132
Who made you the Decider?	PassingFair	Feb 2012	#190
By your logic	SaintPete	Feb 2012	#192
Blue Dogs AREN'T Democrats?	PassingFair	Feb 2012	#193
In name only	SaintPete	Feb 2012	#221
an atheist could follow the teachings of Jesus.	provis99	Feb 2012	#210
"by your definition, there are no such things as Christians"	SaintPete	Feb 2012	#220
Wow. You take the "no true Scotsman" all the way to the altar!	PassingFair	Feb 2012	#236
the Church clearly defined what Christianity was with the Nicene Creed	grantcart	Jan 2012	#95
I can take you to some Chruches where the Nicene Creed is not accepted	Bluenorthwest	Feb 2012	#138
Just because they don't repeat the Nicene Creed doesn't mean that they don't accept the	grantcart	Feb 2012	#156
Jesus.	cliffordu	Feb 2012	#161
100% against all forms of gambling?	KamaAina	Feb 2012	#280
True, but only after a long and often brutal fight...	spin	Feb 2012	#260
The other sects were wiped out	CJCRANE	Feb 2012	#272
Magic 8 Ball says: My sources say no. So I guess not.	cherokeeprogressive	Jan 2012	#5
I find it amusing that a Magic 8 Ball has "sources".	Capitalocracy	Jan 2012	#28
Are you SURE?	PassingFair	Feb 2012	#200
Define "christian". nm	rhett o rick	Jan 2012	#7
Definition of Christian: Someone who considers them self Christian.	Kablooie	Jan 2012	#103
I would say they are, however...	white_wolf	Jan 2012	#8
Do they worship the biblical Christ?	Ohio Dem	Jan 2012	#10
They do. Their interpertation of him is different than other sects, of course.	white_wolf	Jan 2012	#13
I'm not an expert, but that makes them Christian by definition.	Ohio Dem	Jan 2012	#29
Do they concider Jesus the savior? nm	rhett o rick	Jan 2012	#111
Yeah they do.	white_wolf	Jan 2012	#112
You can say you worship this god or that prophet	SaintPete	Jan 2012	#40
Yeah, no argument.	Ohio Dem	Jan 2012	#59
So if I PM you my address, you'll send me all your cash?	Goblinmonger	Feb 2012	#202
When I convert to Christianity I'll let you know	SaintPete	Feb 2012	#226
most gods didn't "teach" anything. They simply existed.	provis99	Feb 2012	#211
Jesus had teachings	SaintPete	Feb 2012	#223
Zeus didn't have teachings.	provis99	Feb 2012	#254
Lol. You might have had a point, IF I had actually made the argument you say I made	SaintPete	Feb 2012	#255
Buddha isn't a god, though.	white_wolf	Feb 2012	#274
To Buddhists, true	SaintPete	Feb 2012	#275
Good point. I wasn't thinking of the Hindu perspective.	white_wolf	Feb 2012	#278
Yes.	ZombieHorde	Jan 2012	#11
They talk out of both sides. They follow that Joseph Smith dude, book of mormon and they	lonestarnot	Jan 2012	#14
What's your feeling about Mo Udall?	onenote	Jan 2012	#16
Cult member liberal yes.	lonestarnot	Jan 2012	#20
What's the difference between a cult and a religion?	white_wolf	Jan 2012	#18
No,	lonestarnot	Jan 2012	#44
No one can choose what they actually believe	cpwm17	Jan 2012	#85
The public relations department. n/t	hughee99	Jan 2012	#97
A few hundred years.	Orangepeel	Feb 2012	#116
Following Jesus makes people cultists too.	Arugula Latte	Feb 2012	#249
The full name of the church is "The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints".	Nye Bevan	Jan 2012	#15
My rule of thumb:	Skinner	Jan 2012	#19
FYI, Andrew Sullivan posted three blogs with differing opinions on this last October. Links:	highplainsdem	Jan 2012	#21
The fundamentalists I know do not consider either Catholics or Mormons to be Christian...	undeterred	Jan 2012	#23
Anyone who claims that a Catholic is not a Christian	Nye Bevan	Jan 2012	#25
Well, there are a lot of idiots in religious circles.	undeterred	Jan 2012	#31
Thank you, Nye Bevan. I always get upset when people say things like "I was Catholic,	Ecumenist	Jan 2012	#48
I'll never understand how the original form of Christianity became regarded as false	white_wolf	Jan 2012	#61
You're absolutely right. My husband is Catholic, well he's Catholic AND Lutheran...long story	Ecumenist	Jan 2012	#65
Some would say the 'original form' is found in the Acts of the Apostles long prior to	Bluenorthwest	Feb 2012	#139
You're right. There are Christians, and then there are "Christians."	Poiuyt	Jan 2012	#102
There's Fundamentalist Catholics that don't believe that non Catholics are Christian	Nikia	Jan 2012	#106
well, according to my Sunday School teachers "Christian" means	NashvilleLefty	Jan 2012	#24
That depends on your definition of the word "Christian"	Motown_Johnny	Jan 2012	#30
One billion Orthodox, Catholic and Protestant Christians all agree that 'Christian' is defined	grantcart	Feb 2012	#125
Except for those who do not. Quakers, Jehovah's Witnesses, Unitarians, the Church of	Bluenorthwest	Feb 2012	#140
Incorrect see # 156 above	grantcart	Feb 2012	#158
He is actually correct	quaker bill	Feb 2012	#256
Still incorrect	grantcart	Feb 2012	#259
A very intellectual response	quaker bill	Feb 2012	#261
This message was self-deleted by its author	grantcart	Feb 2012	#258
Most of those one billion have no idea	Motown_Johnny	Feb 2012	#141
Answered in detail in # 156	grantcart	Feb 2012	#160
In fact, they consider themselves Protestants (as such things go)	Nevernose	Jan 2012	#32
They don't consider themselves Protestants.	white_wolf	Jan 2012	#39
I said "for all intents and purposes"	Nevernose	Jan 2012	#46
It probably depends a lot on where you live.	white_wolf	Jan 2012	#54
I don't think Mormon's consider themselves Protestants at all...	metalbot	Jan 2012	#108
No these secret underwear wearing folks	gopiscrap	Jan 2012	#36
What about the silly-hat-wearing Pope? n/t	Goblinmonger	Feb 2012	#203
I have a friend who is a fundie christian (yeah, you read that right),	kestrel91316	Jan 2012	#47
Yes	EvolveOrConvolve	Jan 2012	#51
The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints	MuseRider	Jan 2012	#53
That's what I thought.	Cleita	Jan 2012	#82
It depends on perspective	Digit	Jan 2012	#55
Digit, this Christian loves you just the way you are.. I'm not God and cannot judge you	Ecumenist	Jan 2012	#62
I define a religion based on the teachings or worship of Christ	rocktivity	Jan 2012	#60
Of course he does.	PassingFair	Jan 2012	#93
Allow people to define themselves...	BrentWil	Jan 2012	#64
Don't care, really don't care.	MadHound	Jan 2012	#67
Define Christian	Sgent	Jan 2012	#69
Most accept that Creed, others do not and some reject all Creeds as idols of a sort.	Bluenorthwest	Feb 2012	#142
Unitarians	Sgent	Feb 2012	#166
Very much so.	Jack Sprat	Jan 2012	#72
Kick	Morning Dew	Jan 2012	#76
Look the issue is about the definition of God. Jesus plays a minor role in Mormonism just like Islam	jwirr	Jan 2012	#83
You are wrong.	white_wolf	Jan 2012	#87
That is what I said it is the definition. I did not say the Mormons defined Jesus as a prophet I	jwirr	Jan 2012	#88
You just said that "Jesus plays a minor role in Mormonism just like Islam".	PassingFair	Jan 2012	#94
The just was referring to the phrase "a minor role".	jwirr	Feb 2012	#183
Muslims consider Christians to be Muslims who have been led astray.	provis99	Feb 2012	#212
Not sure what you are talking about but they have every right to say that since their religion does	jwirr	Feb 2012	#253
If Joe Leiberman can claim to be a Democrat	SaintPete	Jan 2012	#86
Heck if I know	etherealtruth	Jan 2012	#89
Are Christians Christian?	SomethingFishy	Jan 2012	#90
ICK	flamingdem	Jan 2012	#91
Maybe a few are. Of the roughly one billion humans who claim to be Christians, about 2 hundred	Skwid	Jan 2012	#92
Mormons do not fit the orthodox definition of Christianity and cannot be considered 'Christians', so	grantcart	Jan 2012	#96
Those intolerant Church Fathers don't own Christianity any more than Roman Catholics do	Nikia	Jan 2012	#104
History owns the word	grantcart	Feb 2012	#123
You are incorrect that the Nicene Creed is the accepted Standard. Many Protestant	Bluenorthwest	Feb 2012	#146
Most Unitarians don't claim to be Christian.	Critters2	Feb 2012	#185
Christ related sect of what?	metalbot	Jan 2012	#109
Well that would be an argument depending upon your point of view	grantcart	Feb 2012	#124
Christians mostly are not christian...	Hepburn	Jan 2012	#98
I've known alot of Mormons, always thought they were Christians. Never asked and don't give a shit.	limpyhobbler	Jan 2012	#101
No but they use Jesus to sound more mainstream	marlakay	Jan 2012	#107
I agree. I dated a Mormon in college. Learned a lot. Jesus plays almost no role in Mormonism.	Critters2	Jan 2012	#110
My best friend when I was in 6th and 7th grade	marlakay	Feb 2012	#184
More importantly, the fundies and evangelicals and social cons DON'T think so.	Lex	Feb 2012	#117
No, never underestimate them, they want President Obama to be gone	akbacchus_BC	Feb 2012	#119
My voting actions have never been based on what the fundies do.	Lex	Feb 2012	#121
I never said that you do!	akbacchus_BC	Feb 2012	#122
To the best of my ability and from reading the Bible, Mormons are Christians	akbacchus_BC	Feb 2012	#118
No, because they believe in a non-canonical 'revealed' Prophet and non-canonical texts	JCMach1	Feb 2012	#131
In practice probably a lot more Christian then the people that say they aren't.	Ganja Ninja	Feb 2012	#134
Well, this went well.	MineralMan	Feb 2012	#136
If Mormons believe they need intercession by someone OTHER than Christ	Romulox	Feb 2012	#137
Mormons don't belelive in the intercession of anyone but Jesus.	white_wolf	Feb 2012	#143
No. Mormons believe that Joseph Smith's prophecy ALTER the previous covenant.	Romulox	Feb 2012	#152
No, Mormons beleive Joseph Smith restored the orginal covenant.	white_wolf	Feb 2012	#154
The "original" covenant was with Adam. Mormons believe the covenant made by Jesus	Romulox	Feb 2012	#164
You are correct.	Common Sense Party	Feb 2012	#273
Yes, they believe in Christ	treestar	Feb 2012	#144
Muslims believe in Christ. nt	Romulox	Feb 2012	#153
They think he's a prophet, right?	treestar	Feb 2012	#155
Mormons do not believe that Jesus is god, either.	Romulox	Feb 2012	#162
Mormons beleive Jesus is a a god.	white_wolf	Feb 2012	#165
It's a confused theology, imo.	Romulox	Feb 2012	#168
As opposed to all of the other "non-confused" theologies?	PassingFair	Feb 2012	#191
They are self-proclaimed Christians and view Jesus as the primary figure, HOWEVER,...	HopeHoops	Feb 2012	#145
a cult is merely an unpopular sect.	provis99	Feb 2012	#213
One could argue that they're a cult as well.	HopeHoops	Feb 2012	#241
Who cares, really?	Yo_Mama	Feb 2012	#151
Oh yeah!	SaintPete	Feb 2012	#157
You read my mind, er, Constitution	Yo_Mama	Feb 2012	#167
Your comments about Kennedy and Jackson crack me up	SaintPete	Feb 2012	#178
Well, let's just say	Yo_Mama	Feb 2012	#180
"Sojourners' Forum on Faith, Values and Poverty." Remember that fiasco?	PassingFair	Feb 2012	#159
Yes, I do, and I was in fact thinking about it when I responded	Yo_Mama	Feb 2012	#248
Amen	PassingFair	Feb 2012	#252
Exactly. Romney's political views are far worse they any religion	Jennicut	Feb 2012	#246
Yeah - we're trying to elect a President	Yo_Mama	Feb 2012	#247
Not in the traditional sense, since they'd have to accept concepts like the Trinity.	closeupready	Feb 2012	#163
Lol. This entire thread is hilarious.	Arugula Latte	Feb 2012	#175
To each their own	SaintPete	Feb 2012	#179
Apostate! Heretic! Heathen!	PassingFair	Feb 2012	#207
No, it points out how absolutely stupid and ridiculous	Union Scribe	Feb 2012	#227
I'm not Mormon, but I do live in Utah. Mormons do consider themselves to be Christians. n/t	helderheid	Feb 2012	#182
Exact	libodem	Feb 2012	#186
The evangelicals, fundies, and teabaggers won't go for it	Lex	Feb 2012	#188
Did you ever go though the Book of Morman? Pretty wierd stuff in there. Thats what they believe,	demosincebirth	Feb 2012	#194
Yeah, but the "real" bible isn't full of wierd (sic) stuff.	Goblinmonger	Feb 2012	#205
Hey! There's nothing "wierd" about Christianity!!1!	PassingFair	Feb 2012	#208
They want to be accepted as the Chosen People	siligut	Feb 2012	#257
so where do we put Christian Jews? yes, they exist.	provis99	Feb 2012	#214
In the same way that Scientology is a religion.	GoneOffShore	Feb 2012	#217
Lol. DU theology class is in session.	Union Scribe	Feb 2012	#225
Apparently a section of the wall crumbled in DU3!	PassingFair	Feb 2012	#238
DU3 lets you hide threads, you know.	Goblinmonger	Feb 2012	#240
Interesting thread	mick063	Feb 2012	#262
Some are, some aren't--like any Christian religion.	Common Sense Party	Feb 2012	#263
IBTL	Major Hogwash	Feb 2012	#266
Mormonism is to Christianity as....	Evasporque	Feb 2012	#269
I think you mean the reverse, but I get ya	SaintPete	Feb 2012	#277
Yes. A Christian is anyone who tries to emulate Christ.	Taverner	Feb 2012	#276
They define themselves as much. The entirety of the rest of the discussion is about Scotsmen. (nt)	Posteritatis	Feb 2012	#279

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