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JayhawkSD

(3,163 posts)
16. Let's make a deal. Not in favor of the sequester, but...
Thu Mar 7, 2013, 11:15 AM
Mar 2013

First of all, the Balanced Budget and Emergency Deficit Control Act of 1985 doesn't actually exist in law, it was ruled unconstitutional and was replaced by the 1987 Balanced Budget and Emergency Deficit Control Reaffirmation Act. One would think that a couple of Congressmen would know that.

Second, I suppose that he believes that by suspending that clause of that act he will eliminate the debt ceiling. It won't because he has the wrong bill, one which was ruled unconstitutional and was voided. Not sure what he plans to eliminate, because the text of these bills is not readily available. Maybe he intends to eliminate the sequester in that bill, since it did contain one. That would be irrelevant, because today's sequester is not a product of that bill, ir was created by the Budget Control Act of 2011.

Now for the deal. I'll pay you $5000 for your car. After you deliver your car then I'll pass a resolution that says I'm repealing the part of the deal that requires me to pay you $5000, but not the part of the deal that requires you to give me your car. Sound good?

That's what Conyers/Grayson is suggesting in canceling the sequester. The Budget Control Act of 2011 contained two essential parts which are pertinent here. It contained an immediate increase in the debt ceiling, and it contained the sequester. Those two things were trade offs, just as my $5000 is a trade off for your car. Obama (and Conyers/Grayson) got the debt ceiling increase, and now with the debt ceiling increase in hand Conyers/Grayson want to cancel the payment which is the trade off.

If, Conyers/Grayson think that be eliminating the debt ceiling the sequester becomes moot, think again. There is a concept in law called "good faith." It's the law that if one party delivers in good faith then the other party is bound by his side of the bargain. Even if the debt ceiling were to be eliminated today, it was in effect at the time of the deal, and it was raised as agreed, so the benefiting party has to deliver on his part of the agreement and the sequester stands.

Grayson is, as usual, grandstanding with rhetoric that sounds good and is not based on fact.

Thanks to Alan Grayson. panader0 Mar 2013 #1
I got that very same email... Blanks Mar 2013 #2
Signed NV Whino Mar 2013 #3
Signed reteachinwi Mar 2013 #4
Way to go!. . thanks. . . .n/t annabanana Mar 2013 #5
Went there, did that. zeemike Mar 2013 #6
HUGE K & R !!! - Thank You !!! WillyT Mar 2013 #7
There are currently 145,998 signatures littlemissmartypants Mar 2013 #8
excellent!. . . .n/t annabanana Mar 2013 #10
John Conyers has been my hero since 2004 MadLinguist Mar 2013 #9
What? Common sense in congress, is that even allowed? fasttense Mar 2013 #11
The world really needs the Wobblies now!. . .n/t annabanana Mar 2013 #12
Medicare.. sendero Mar 2013 #19
Thanks, I forgot about that change. n/t fasttense Mar 2013 #31
Almost 177,000 signatures at this point. They need to get to 200,000! bullwinkle428 Mar 2013 #13
thanks for the kick!. . .n/t annabanana Mar 2013 #14
Less than 20,000 needed now Roland99 Mar 2013 #15
Let's make a deal. Not in favor of the sequester, but... JayhawkSD Mar 2013 #16
Anyone who compares household type debt---err like a car... trumad Mar 2013 #17
Their obligation to "Good Faith" is to the American people not TeaPubliKlan hostage takers TheKentuckian Mar 2013 #18
Stealing from your grandmother's Social Security check is not JDPriestly Mar 2013 #22
And Medicare/Medicaid is NOT a problem ... the insurance industry IS THE PROBLEM. SomeGuyInEagan Mar 2013 #29
Thanks. You are right. JDPriestly Mar 2013 #42
Agreeing with you ... and adding to your original point. SomeGuyInEagan Mar 2013 #44
Because there is a whole lot of 'good faith' going on in DC now, SaveAmerica Mar 2013 #27
A "portion" of the 1985 Act was found unconstitutional. The 1987 Act ammended it. ieoeja Mar 2013 #39
False example quakerboy Mar 2013 #41
K&R!! hue Mar 2013 #20
Signed geardaddy Mar 2013 #21
"There are currently 186,496 signatures" onestepforward Mar 2013 #23
I can hear the Republicans now.... Spitfire of ATJ Mar 2013 #24
There are currently 188,134 signatures SaveAmerica Mar 2013 #25
K&R midnight Mar 2013 #26
Signed. Currently 188,339 signatures nt Purplehazed Mar 2013 #28
K&R SalviaBlue Mar 2013 #30
should be easy as long as no votes from republicans is needed RedstDem Mar 2013 #32
It's a petition, not legislation (yet). . . .n/t annabanana Mar 2013 #33
Oh, this is not good. BobTheSubgenius Mar 2013 #34
Why would they rtracey Mar 2013 #35
What a concept. nt silvershadow Mar 2013 #36
193549. Nt. Purplehazed Mar 2013 #37
Signed. timdog44 Mar 2013 #38
Thanks!. . .n/t annabanana Mar 2013 #40
220,798 and counting Oilwellian Mar 2013 #43
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