Reply #114

In the discussion thread: Dear DU: Fuck Rand Paul [View all]

Response to Stinky The Clown (Original post)

Thu Mar 7, 2013, 12:23 AM

114. Courage to fight for your rights from someone you despise.

I read DU every day. I don't post much. I'm a liberal Democrat and Obama supporter. I voted for him twice. But I have always strongly disagreed with the Obama administration on the following issues: Privacy, Drones, Assassination of American citizens without due process, torture, whistle-blowers and transparency.

I don't like Rand Paul. But what he is doing today is courageous. I don't think any US Presidential administration has the right to kill Americans on American soil without due process. They don't have the right to kill us with drones. They don't have the right to spy on us with drones.

I'm confused how a group so focused and supportive of civil liberties could disagree with Rand Paul's position on this particular issue. Is it just because the argument is coming from a Tea Bagger? Does it really matter who raises this issue or fights for our civil liberties if they fight for our civil liberties?

Am I missing something? If the next President of the US turns out to be a hard-core, right wing Republican, will you (Stinky) be comfortable handing him/her the right to subvert the Constitution and the 5th Amendment?

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221 replies	Author	Time	Post
Dear DU: Fuck Rand Paul [View all]	Stinky The Clown	Mar 6	OP
K&R for a voice of reason. nt	Comrade_McKenzie	Mar 6	#1
This isn't your best work, Stinky.	Buzz Clik	Mar 6	#2
Hey, object rape threads are cool now.	Common Sense Party	Mar 6	#83
I agree. I never give	No Vested Interest	Mar 7	#131
I sure as fuck do. All the fucking time.	Iggo	Mar 7	#180
I disagree.	Cary	Mar 7	#165
Is he also behind the National Right-to-Work bill?	Kingofalldems	Mar 6	#3
I'll answer my own question-yes Paul is behind	Kingofalldems	Mar 6	#9
Fought to stop raising the Debt Ceiling over Personhood, defunding PP, food stamps, etc.	freshwest	Mar 6	#86
Another Fuck Rand Paul here...	Ohio Joe	Mar 6	#4
Touche, Mr. Clown. Touche. nt	Honeycombe8	Mar 6	#5
Well, I have standards...........but agree with the gist of the sentiment.	PDJane	Mar 6	#6
Fuck Rand Paul!	bluedigger	Mar 6	#7
Thank you, too. I'd have left the vegetable reference out of the OP, though.	freshwest	Mar 6	#88
Yeah, that's why I spoke for myself.	bluedigger	Mar 6	#91
Yup the veg out the rest stays!	sheshe2	Mar 7	#129
Agreed!	freshwest	Mar 7	#203
This message was self-deleted by its author	onehandle	Mar 6	#8
I say , leave the husks on the ear	DollarBillHines	Mar 6	#12
You mean his wig. nt	onehandle	Mar 6	#16
I'll mark you down as one more object rape-supporter.	Common Sense Party	Mar 6	#97
Please delete. The Holder-haters post the same thing about him.	freshwest	Mar 6	#98
Yay! MORE violent object rape cheering!	Common Sense Party	Mar 6	#85
Fuck political correctness! n/t	backscatter712	Mar 7	#168
I'd also rationalize it by merely calling it PC...	LanternWaste	Mar 7	#204
Thank you.	freshwest	Mar 6	#90
Please be kind enough to explain	G_j	Mar 7	#164
Indeed...	one_voice	Mar 6	#10
Plus a zillion	graham4anything	Mar 6	#35
See reply below yours #92.	freshwest	Mar 6	#93
Plus a million to that. Guess I'll have to pull this one out for the same crowd:	freshwest	Mar 6	#92
This should be pinned to the GD and the Politics 2013 sections forever.	graham4anything	Mar 7	#147
Anyone who has read that article and understands it, knows the basis of much of the TOS.	freshwest	Mar 7	#186
Excellent read!!!..	one_voice	Mar 7	#197
YW. I think some people are being misled by these guys. Many aren't, but some will take the bait.	freshwest	Mar 7	#202
Interesting article...	TommyCelt	Mar 7	#211
It's context as well. Some have skewered Brennan, who they confused with Bremer, not the same animal	freshwest	Mar 7	#214
Oh Bravo!!	Ratty	Mar 7	#217
Fuck drones too.	Warren Stupidity	Mar 6	#11
Except no one looks to a broken clock for the time. nt	Comrade_McKenzie	Mar 6	#15
And we call people who do "idiots."	Robb	Mar 6	#20
This.	riqster	Mar 6	#26
+1	Politicub	Mar 6	#45
Huge K&R!!...nt	SidDithers	Mar 6	#13
Pretty much. I don't think Republicans suddenly give a rat's ass about civil liberties	TwilightGardener	Mar 6	#14
Where the hell are they now?	Abq_Sarah	Mar 6	#28
Maybe Democrats don't want to filibuster Brennan based on Holder's hypotheticals.	TwilightGardener	Mar 6	#42
Do you really believe	Abq_Sarah	Mar 6	#72
Democrats on the Senate Intelligence Committee already demanded	TwilightGardener	Mar 6	#80
How long should we wait?	Abq_Sarah	Mar 7	#113
What did the administration do? Most I can see is that they dragged their feet handing	TwilightGardener	Mar 7	#118
You don't get it	Abq_Sarah	Mar 7	#120
The President does have a right to DEFEND us from an attack on our soil--	TwilightGardener	Mar 7	#122
He did not limit scenarios only to attacks in progress	Abq_Sarah	Mar 7	#141
Thank you! nt	Mojorabbit	Mar 7	#126
I agree...a Democrat should have been doing the filibustering.	Tierra_y_Libertad	Mar 6	#17
Our Democratic champions	OnyxCollie	Mar 6	#75
It would have meant a hell of a lot more...	1983law	Mar 7	#127
+55	Faryn Balyncd	Mar 7	#218
Not with anybody else's ten foot pole	Warpy	Mar 6	#18
WORST SENATOR EVER!!!!!	Initech	Mar 6	#19
No.	GoCubsGo	Mar 7	#178
True that is a very competitive category.	Initech	Mar 7	#184
Ted Cruz aka	mimi85	Mar 7	#213
This wouldn't happen	ForgoTheConsequence	Mar 6	#21
You don't have to think he is your friend to have the same question on something that he does.	MotherPetrie	Mar 6	#22
K&R to the moon, Stinky...	ReRe	Mar 6	#23
It says a lot.	ForgoTheConsequence	Mar 6	#24
It's about not showing support to a Bircher.	bluedigger	Mar 6	#40
Well, it's not like you're voting for him or anything like that	HoneychildMooseMoss	Mar 6	#52
Because that is what the Bircher's want.	bluedigger	Mar 6	#57
Rand Paul would use drones on Americans HIMSELF as long as they were poor, minorities,	DevonRex	Mar 6	#76
Yes, he would. They've added a weasel word to their exceptions already. It's on ProSense's thread.	freshwest	Mar 6	#94
Thanks. And here's a good link	DevonRex	Mar 7	#109
Definitely racist. More links for those who think he's any kind of liberal:	freshwest	Mar 7	#125
And I dug around. Glenn Beck thinks drones will be used on conservatives.	DevonRex	Mar 7	#196
Check the Angry Black Lady Chronicles for the scoop on this darling man - keep going, she's great:	freshwest	Mar 7	#201
I love both of them. Absolute heaven.	DevonRex	Mar 7	#205
You're also appreciated. And I love that cat!	freshwest	Mar 7	#208
Thanks, added the link to ProSense's detailed thread and will go that link, too.	freshwest	Mar 7	#207
If you're against the President people are cheering for your forcible sodomy???	NOVA_Dem	Mar 6	#51
Please don't assume too much. Some of us are having legitimate trouble with your messenger, RP's	patrice	Mar 7	#144
^^^^^^^^^^^^^BOOM^^^^^^^^^^^^^^	Dryvinwhileblind	Mar 7	#159
Thank you, Patrice!	freshwest	Mar 7	#192
Trying not to forget what happened to OUR troops & how much more profoundly horrible ALL	patrice	Mar 7	#198
Thank you, Stinky. Well said.	Demoiselle	Mar 6	#25
With a sandy lubricant, and a Drano enema for dessert,	riqster	Mar 6	#27
Ran Paul is an opportunist who is allied with Alex Jones who is a "One World Government" asshole.	Lint Head	Mar 6	#29
That's all this is, a dog whistle to the racist patriot movement.	freshwest	Mar 7	#100
Broken clocks are right twice a day	FreeBC	Mar 6	#30
See post #15	Politicub	Mar 6	#46
You're Right. Fuck that assclown.	Hayabusa	Mar 6	#31
Well, shit, Stinky.	cliffordu	Mar 6	#32
Apparently I'm on ignore, but that's just fine.	cliffordu	Mar 7	#138
.	patrice	Mar 7	#146
Welll....	cliffordu	Mar 7	#163
Roger fucking that dude!	lonestarnot	Mar 6	#33
Yes Rand Paul is an ass however,	Angry Dragon	Mar 6	#34
Ya, but one ok thing doesn't excuse him from being generally a FUCKHEAD !	RBInMaine	Mar 6	#64
I never said it did	Angry Dragon	Mar 7	#161
thanks for saying it loud and clear,	Cha	Mar 6	#36
+1!	sheshe2	Mar 7	#130
Simple-minded thinking is always going to come up short	quinnox	Mar 6	#37
And one ok thing doesn't excuse a THOUSAND fucked up things this ASSHOLE believes and does.	RBInMaine	Mar 6	#66
Fuck the Pauls. It's always the same group of DUers who come out of the woodwork	Politicub	Mar 6	#38
We are, and have been, infested with Paulbots.	bluedigger	Mar 6	#41
They've lost their home turf and are using DU to organize here. Is it working, IDK?	freshwest	Mar 7	#101
The same DUers that nitpick about everything the President does. nt	Comrade_McKenzie	Mar 6	#53
the same DUers that held the same opinion when bush was in office..	frylock	Mar 6	#67
His filibuster is not being done to protect the Constitution	Generic Brad	Mar 6	#39
K&R for unamiguous intent	WheelWalker	Mar 6	#43
Fuck.Rand.Paul!	TeamPooka	Mar 6	#44
Yes. but	Vanje	Mar 6	#47
This is being HYPED in a big way. Chill down. Doubt this would ever happen. Let's get real here.	RBInMaine	Mar 6	#69
Message auto-removed	GRENADE	Mar 6	#48
Why are people so bothered that we could agree with Paul on one issue?	LittleBlue	Mar 6	#49
So where are the Democrats?	MadHound	Mar 6	#50
Ron Wyden Was There... Harry Reid Showed Up, But Just To Ask Paul To Stop So They Could Vote...	WillyT	Mar 6	#54
Father and son does not deserves no praise	Iliyah	Mar 6	#55
So, they deserve praise?	MrSlayer	Mar 6	#60
Agreed...	awoke_in_2003	Mar 6	#56
k&r...	spanone	Mar 6	#58
Broken Clock Sr. and Broken Clock Jr.	Jamaal510	Mar 6	#59
Yep - Of Broken Clocks and... by Tim Wise.	freshwest	Mar 6	#95
He's a lobbyist for assault weapons manufacturers who make profits from 3rd-world VIOLENCE that	patrice	Mar 6	#61
Thank you, patrice, for putting his hypocrisy in view.	freshwest	Mar 7	#103
FuPaul	Blue Owl	Mar 6	#62
DUers, this is the FUCKNUT who said "the market" should dictate WHO should be served in restaurants.	RBInMaine	Mar 6	#63
Thank you many times over for that post.	freshwest	Mar 7	#133
Rand and Ron Paul are against ALL government spending, including for drones.	Zen Democrat	Mar 6	#65
+10000000000	LeftInTX	Mar 6	#96
I think they are good with local policing.	bluedigger	Mar 7	#110
Wrong, they're protecting un-regulated markets in the world's poor countries. nt	patrice	Mar 7	#145
and fuck that fucking Judas Paulite, Ron Wyden..	frylock	Mar 6	#68
LOL !!!	WillyT	Mar 6	#70
I respect Wyden. Fuck Rand Paul. He's a Bircher. They're	DevonRex	Mar 7	#108
i don't understand what all that has to do with being against targeted assassinations..	frylock	Mar 7	#117
He's NOT against targeted assassinations. Get a grip.	DevonRex	Mar 7	#128
The Ron Wyden that has expressed satisfaction with the administration's explanation	onenote	Mar 7	#111
i have all of st. rand's albums..	frylock	Mar 7	#115
You're confusing him!!!! He thought he had a good thing there. Hahaha.	DevonRex	Mar 7	#124
Except for Ron Paul collecting	Iliyah	Mar 6	#71
I don't have to "like" Rand Paul to necessarily think he's on the right side of an issue	fujiyama	Mar 6	#73
If his concern is drones he should file a bill	loyalsister	Mar 7	#121
He's doing this because he values American lives....	Spitfire of ATJ	Mar 6	#74
Ha! "Rand Paul is Cordially Invited to Kiss My Ass" by ABL	Cha	Mar 6	#87
Damn straight.	freshwest	Mar 7	#105
Excellent!	bluedigger	Mar 7	#112
Rude, crude, and correct! Well said, Stinky	mountain grammy	Mar 6	#77
Awkward situation, isn't it?	Nye Bevan	Mar 6	#78
Wow... I mean...	MrMickeysMom	Mar 6	#79
Exactly right and he ain't doin' it for the left...	Drunken Irishman	Mar 6	#81
Thank. You.	freshwest	Mar 6	#82
Obama feels he has much to prove to the security establishment	cprise	Mar 6	#84
Guess what? Rand Paul had to pee and now my President's nomination goes through...	Comrade_McKenzie	Mar 7	#135
Pres O pants are fittin	Iliyah	Mar 6	#89
Rand Paul	nevergiveup	Mar 7	#99
K&R for speaking truth to power! eom	BlueCaliDem	Mar 7	#102
Amen. I'm Texan, I saw the first run of this play, starring his lunatic father.	Justitia	Mar 7	#104
+1,000	freshwest	Mar 7	#106
Is it ok if I just "don't LISTEN to Rand Paul"?	Ken Burch	Mar 7	#107
Courage to fight for your rights from someone you despise.	Delzars	Mar 7	#114
Delzars, a hard core nut case would ignore	Iliyah	Mar 7	#123
Thanks for sharing.	cliffordu	Mar 7	#137
I agree. I still don't like Brennen though, and would love to see him blocked.	morningfog	Mar 7	#116
Message auto-removed	I Cant Dance	Mar 7	#119
I'm a little fuzzy on your post Stinky. Could you clarify?	Kennah	Mar 7	#132
Who praised Rand Paul?	whatchamacallit	Mar 7	#134
Nothing.	bravenak	Mar 7	#136
.	blkmusclmachine	Mar 7	#139
Sometimes . . .	caseymoz	Mar 7	#140
Please see my post #61 above. & Why is the anti-drone position apparently pretending there is no	patrice	Mar 7	#142
First, the sale of arms doesn't belong in this argument.	caseymoz	Mar 7	#148
Ergo, It's okay for INNOCENT people to die for YOUR Constitution even if they don't CHOOSE to.	patrice	Mar 7	#173
You might as well say, "oh, so you're a Cub's fan!"	caseymoz	Mar 7	#215
Excellent Point "why does a nice guy insist on holding you at gunpoint?"	GoneFishin	Mar 7	#187
That IS a good question if it's an honest one & doesn't start with the answer as is the usual case	patrice	Mar 7	#200
Kick and Rec! n/t	zappaman	Mar 7	#143
When Democrats don't serve their constituents, they risk the right stealing their voters ...	Scuba	Mar 7	#149
It's all about the money	Andy Stanton	Mar 7	#150
Excuse me-Ron Paul is a megamillionaire who makes $50,000 a speech now.	graham4anything	Mar 7	#151
It's not about the man.	freedom fighter jh	Mar 7	#152
Its funny how so many on DU will FLOCK to this turd because he	JoePhilly	Mar 7	#153
The Paul cult infests every site on the Internet.	Comrade_McKenzie	Mar 7	#175
Nice to see who they are. I am not surprised one bit. nt	DevonRex	Mar 7	#190
I think we should be embarassed by this.	paulbibeau	Mar 7	#154
I do not agree with the administration's position on drones.	mmonk	Mar 7	#155
Yes! nt	paulbibeau	Mar 7	#156
Um, you might wanna check out his actual opinion on drones before you go agreeing with him.	DevonRex	Mar 7	#212
How very droll and insulting...	99Forever	Mar 7	#157
+1	bahrbearian	Mar 7	#166
He's also a woman-hating, woman-abusing pr*ck	ProfessionalLeftist	Mar 7	#158
No drones	Mkap	Mar 7	#160
Rand Paul and his daddy should wear their pointy white hoods to work	workinclasszero	Mar 7	#162
+1. And they call themselves "libertarians"	backscatter712	Mar 7	#177
Yep. The LiberTEAryans branch of that family supporting tax-cuts for the 1% this time.	patrice	Mar 7	#191
But support re-instating Habeus Corpus, right?	grahamhgreen	Mar 7	#167
Judging by the length of this thread and the speciousness of some of the flames...	backscatter712	Mar 7	#169
He poses as libertarian	Idpomattlex	Mar 7	#170
Exactly. The Randroid does not really believe in liberty. If he did, he'd support GLBT rights. n/t	backscatter712	Mar 7	#174
Rand Paul supports "swift drone action" based on a "reasonable suspicion" of an "imminent danger"	ProSense	Mar 7	#171
This thread is certainly not DU's finest hour. nt	Romulox	Mar 7	#172
So we'll put you down as supporting Rand Paul on drones. You'd better check his actual position.	DevonRex	Mar 7	#193
Putting words into people's mouths only to denounce them? It's the lowest form of "discourse". nt	Romulox	Mar 7	#209
Stinky, may I suggest some lube for that dried corncob?	backscatter712	Mar 7	#176
even a blind pig finds an acorn once in a while....	bowens43	Mar 7	#179
"He should not be speaking for you."	TommyCelt	Mar 7	#181
I want to address something	timdog44	Mar 7	#182
Thank you, timdog44. It's a difficult position to hold, because I am actually REALLY worried about	patrice	Mar 7	#189
Agreed.	timdog44	Mar 7	#194
Oh, please.	Daemonaquila	Mar 7	#183
"Poking the hornet's nest". Exactly right.	GoCubsGo	Mar 7	#188
Exactly.	Rider3	Mar 7	#185
+100	BklnDem75	Mar 7	#195
Yeah, fuck that guy.	ellie	Mar 7	#199
No thank you	RoccoR5955	Mar 7	#206
the stinkmeister is correct.	spanone	Mar 7	#210
Local KY Poll: Can we blow this up pls?	fuzila	Mar 7	#216
Does this help?	Rhiannon12866	Mar 8	#221
Eeewwww!	polmaven	Mar 7	#219
Not the point. Ideas count, not teams or personalities.	DirkGently	Mar 7	#220

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